Who do you think is getting over hyped by a good tournament, but will struggle in pros next year if they leave school?
I think it is MKG I think the kid is talented but lives right now on fast break baskets and hustle plays, he gets because he is on frontline with Davis and Jones. The fact that he is on the most talented team in tournament shines him up.
On the opposite end I think Harrison Barnes had a poor tournament and a lot of people jumped off the bandwagon real quick , however I still think he will be a very good pro. 22ppg 5rpg 3apg type guy.
MGK is winner. He plays within the framework of a real Team. He is not a "me" guy, and never will be. I will take a completely unselfish talent that does whatever it takes to win anyday.
And the NBA has more fast breaks than in college, so that should play to Gilchrist's advantage as he is an excellent finisher on the break.
Barnes seems to disappear at times, where if Gilchrist can't score, he will never disappear because he plays both ends of the floor with equal amount of intensity. MGK should go #2 in this draft in my personal opinion.
This is not about if MKG is a winner or not. In the NBA next year nobody will care about what he was able to do for Kentucky they will care about what he can do on the court for them. The current mock draft has him as the number 2 pick in the draft or second best player in college basketball today. I do not believe that he is worthy of that. He is a glue guy which is important a la Tayshaun Prince but glue guys don't go as number 2 pick in the draft. He is a high motor guy which is great but with no real shooting ability 26% from college 3 point range how does he play NBA SG/SF.
He has played solid in each of Kansas' games during the tourney and had a 10 block game vs. NC State and a 7 block game against OSU on Saturday.
He will be a decent big man in the league but I don't think he has starter material. He will struggle to score at the next level and he won't be going up against smaller centers like Richard Howell (NC State). His block numbers have been inflated a little by this.
Now that being said, he should cash in on his stock being really high right now and leave for the NBA. He could come back but I think the only thing he would do is hurt his stock or risk injury.
There's things that mkg does on the floor that you just cant teach he's a very good defender the best in the nation a great slasher and finisher and I really good rebounder these things will translate to the nba from day one, Barnes on the other hand can't get his own shot and is a led foot, doesn't play defense and is very hot and cold so that 22 5 and 3 you think he can avg is overrating him no everyone is a 20ppg scorer in the league and shooting nothing but jumpers ain't gonna get him 20ppg every night
MKG and over hyped do not belong in this sentence. He's a monster and if it wasn't for being on the same team as Anthony Davis he would be in a lot of player of the year award convos.
My choice for this didn't even play in the tourney, but his name will be used as the reason Cuse didn't advance to the final four. Fab Melo is beyond over hyped.
To be honest this is one of the few tournaments that I can remember where the people you expect to play good actually does. Anthony Davis and the Wildcats are living up to the hype. Jeremy Lamb disappointed me, as did Barnes but the way they were playing at the end of the regular season it really didn't surprise me
I agree with Clayton Crowe about Withey. I forgot about CJ Leslie too. I don't think he will come out but if he does I think he would struggle next year in the league.
I said the same thing about MKG you dont take a wing defender number 2 he has to have an offensive game and I think this will get exposed at combine and work outs.The irony is even tho he doesnt have on now its a risk to pass on him because if gets one down pack.....
Yet you guys say MKG special unselfish player all that talk. I watched the same thing with Perry unselfish team first and get criticized. Y'all some hypocrits. I like MKG but I a lol at teams taking him over PJIII. Those fools will see lol. I do like MKG but he will take time because of that J and he is a SG at the next level.
Hey I will give people that Barnes didn't perform well this tournament . But you go look at the NBA right now look and at his skill set. I have watched almost all his games since he got to college the kid is tight handle away from stardom. You look at even back to when he was in high school, the skills he brings translate directly to the NBA. You look at the highlights from when he scored 40 points as a freshman , 26 against Texas last year, or 27 against Clemson this year when he puts head down and just plays ball its a wrap. When he played against Durant last year 1v1, Durnat said he NBA ready already....the kid is nice.
MKG being unselfish is a bit different to PJIII being unselfish. Jones is far and away the best player on his team, for Baylor to have progressed further in the tournament he needed to be more of a scoring threat, whereas MKG being unselfish helps the team because it allows Jones, Davis, Lamb, Miller and Teague all do their thing without him demanding the ball too often.
I think we have to be fair to some of these guys too. PJIII never seemed like he was the focal point of the offence for the team. Yes he was passive but he should have touched the ball everytime down the floor. Almost every set he should be first option. I think when these guys are picking the school understanding how creative the coach is with his schemes year to year should be considered. Especially if you plan to be a one and done guy, you don't have 4 years to show body of work. One bad year could be diff between millions of dollars.
Yea I feel you on Barnes. I'm a die hard Tarheel fan and watch every game. He is much better than he showed this year and I think he will be a star in the league. Roy Williams coached Paul Pierce and I don't think people expected him to do what he is doing now in the league. Roy didn't utilize Barnes the way he should. As much as I hate to admit it if Barnes would have went to Duke he might have been player of the year. Coach K trust his players. I have always felt Roy is an overrated coach. He is great at recruiting talent, not necessarily coaching them
Perry shoots more maybe other guys never get going. He is in College not the L. Austin Rivers did the same. Sacrifice O for the team. You take MKG over Rivers your an idiot and losing your J O B.
Cause he does not have those type skills. F a motor kid he wont get Buckets like Jones3rd or Austin.
Yeah I don't know how many times I've seen Barnes find a rhythm only for Williams to sub him out, or Marshall start passing him up for either his own shots or Zeller/Henson. It's obvious he went there because it would help his goal of building a brand, because UNCs offence does not suit him, and limits his options. He'll do just fine in the NBA, dude has a decent handle, I just feel like he is careful with using it because the paint is usually packed with defenders when he looks up because Zeller and Henson are positioning themselves to crash the boards.
It's a shame to see top prospects hurt their stock and in some cases waste their time because they play for schools which are big names over schools which are a better fit. Another example to me is Drummond at UConn; people talk about how great a developer of big men Calhoun is, but that's really only on the defensive side of the ball, and Drummond was already sound in that area. If you put Drummond on UNC's roster in place of Zeller he'd be the number one pick by a wide margin in my opinion.
@scout4real; I like Jones, and want him to succeed, but saying he shoots more than anyone else doesn't mean he's being aggressive, every time I see him play he's more than happy to settle for jump shots instead of going at his man in the post. It's not a number of shots that's the issue, it's where the shots are coming from. If you saw the latter stages of the Kentucky-Baylor game you would have seen Jones say "f*ck it" and just start going at Anthony Davis without caring if he was going to get blocked, and there was little to nothing Davis could do to stop him either. If he'd played that way the whole season, or even the whole game then it would have been a different story. Not all of the blame is on Jones, because I respect that he's a team-first guy, but that attribute is only desirable on certain teams and in certain amounts, and on Baylor it worked against him.
As far as Rivers over MKG is concerned that is ridiculous in my opinion. MKG is a better athlete, much better defender, moves better off the ball, plays harder and while his first step isn't as quick he is still very effective at beating his man off the dribble. The only thing Rivers has over MKG is shooting, but college shooting doesn't always translate to the NBA, and he isn't hugely efficient in college either.
The kid ran the Offense and played team ball. He and Austin will be better Pros than MKG unless the kid turns into a sniper. That's my point. College is not the NBA. Rivers has better handle and J too and guess what that first step matter my friend.
MKG is not overhyped.
I think he is in the mold of Scottie Pippen. He's clearly way more than just a defender, and shows some innate ability in every aspect of the game.
MKG is going to test out 6'6 or 6'5. He wont have Pippens advantage of height. I like MKG's game. Kid is well rounded and very solid. His J has to be better cause he is a two guard.
^ based on what? I've seen him in person a few times in high school and he is a legit 6'7". I'm not sure why you think he's smaller but he's a legit SF at the next level.
@scout4real; that's my bad man, I misread your post about him shooting more hurting the development of others.
Like I said, it's not just a matter of Perry Jones being too passive, because the offence wasn't great, and Jackson didn't make it easier for him to score like a PG should, but as a coach you don't want players who will blindly run the offence when there are easier and simpler ways to score, great players read the D and adjust accordingly; a number of times I saw Jones have the opportunity to drive into a gap for a layup but he never noticed it because he was so focused on moving the ball as the offence dictated. I do like Perry Jones, but he's not going to be a star until he can change the way he perceives himself and what his role should be.
As far as Rivers is concerned, that first step is all well and good, but when every team has 7 footers waiting to help and Rivers continue to have tunnel vision when attacking the rim that first step isn't going to mean a whole lot. Even if he puts up better numbers than MKG, I don't think he'll be able to impact a game the same way, it's going to be Monta Ellis all over again with Rivers.
If he test out that he is he is still is a three with no J. Wich a three needs. He is basically a defender slasher.
Why does a SF need a three? Scottie Pippen was never a good three shooter either, he shot a career 32% from three.
@delfam: Scottie might not have shot a great percentage, but he was still a threat from 3 later in his career. If you look at his stats by season, he shot roughly 37% the first two seasons of the Bulls' second 3-peat, and he also attempted substantially more those two seasons than at any other point in his career. By the third year of the three-peat the word was out that he could shoot and he was defended more closely on the perimeter, which saw his attempts drop off significantly, although obviously it didn't hurt the Bulls because he had been established as a threat from deep. So while I wouldn't say Pippen was a great shooter, to say he was never a good shooter is going a bit far, because he showed he could shoot a good percentage if he was taking enough shots to establish a rhythm. Also, anyone who watched him draining 3s in the Celebrity All-Star game a year ago will tell you he learned how to shoot just fine.
While it's important for a SF to have a 3, it's really not that important they have it in college, as more than anything a jump shot is something which takes time to develop, so just because he doesn't have the shot now doesn't mean he won't get it. Look at Jason Kidd, Luol Deng, Michael Redd, Michael Jordan and even Derrick Rose to an extent (though very much a work in progress), they all added a 3-point shot to their games after they got to the NBA despite showing no signs of that ability in college.
Rivers might be a better shooter and scorer right now, but it doesn't mean he'll stay that way down the road.
Lmao @ somebody losing their job over drafting MKG over Rivers. Stop it with the Rivers BS he is not going to be that good in the league.
I'm not sure anyone was that overhyped. No one has really elevated themselves to superstardom yet. I know Kidd Gilchrist had a great first four games, but that's expected of him.
Roy is overated. Coming from a lifelong Tarheel fan. Barnes looks like he doesnt play defense because UNC doesnt. Thats not Roy's focus. His focus is running you to death in transition. He has no half-court structure to speak of. I agree that Barnes is a tight handle away from stardom. People may be sleeping on his ability to defend though.
You cant cant go wrong with MKG or Barnes.
PJIII looked just as bad in Baylor's offense as Barnes did in UNC's if not worse.
If I would have to say someone overhyped, I would say T-Rob. I love him, but I think a lot of his early success and development hinges on what team he goes to. Other than that, would probably say Dion Waiters. It may take him a while to find his niche in the league as well.
I said the same thing about RoyWilliams in another post. He system is a big man system you can google his philoshpy. Its a fast break with a secondary break that moves to a single or double post focus with the 4 and 5 men. Barnes was inside player until junior year it would have been easy to take advantage of that if Roy was creative.
As far as MKG vs Rivers one is a team guy one is more a chucker who likes to get his shots up. To me Rivers is more your Jamal Crawford type, while MKG is more young Gerald Wallace. Both will have good carrers I am just not sure either will be a difference maker unless the land perfect situation.
Exactly! Roy Williams did the same thing at Kansas. He made Nick Collison look like a superstar. He wants his offense to come from his point guard ant big man. He did it with Hinrich and Collison before he came to Carolina. He did it with Felton and May, Lawson and Hansborough, and now Marshall and Zeller. Marshall is a pass first point. That man doesn't need to score 18 points to be effective. I somewhat blame Roy for Marshalls injury too. Had he been more worried about setting up Barnes and Zeller rather than scoring, Marshall would probably have still been playing and we might be talking about a rematch of Kentucky and UNC right now
We will see for sure Cuz.lol
personally i would take PJ3 and Barnes over MKG, i jus dont like MKG swagger, he seems soft. he cant shoot. but he is a hell of a "team" guy, and plays great D, hes a glue guy that can expand his game, but i hope teams dont wanna go to him for scoring, bcuz he will be playing against grown men next year and all that slashing will not get him anywhere unless he hits the weights like Corey Maggette