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Ranked 6th in blocks for all

Ranked 6th in blocks for all starting small forwards

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Offensive rating, in 100

Offensive rating, in 100 possessions, he would score 106pts

Defensive rating, in 100 possessions, he gives up 112pts

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Where's his defense that you

Where's his defense that you said he played?

Offensive rating, in 100 possessions, he would score 106pts

Defensive rating, in 100 possessions, he gives up 112pts

No doubt in my mind he can score, everybody knows that.

Offensive rating, in 100 possessions, he would score 106pts

Defensive rating, in 100 possessions, he gives up 112pts

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11th in steals out of

11th in steals out of starting small forwards 

4th in scoring out of starting small forwards

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Never said he can't

Never said he can't score.

0.6bpg

0.9spg

I don't care where he ranked, this is the actual stat.

Less than 1 on both.

Offensive rating, in 100 possessions, he would score 106pts

Defensive rating, in 100 possessions, he gives up 112pts

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steals are an overrated stat

steals are an overrated stat when it comes to actual defense and of course he's scoring a lot who else is suppose to be the scorer on that team. I think what Tongue-Out-Like-23 is saying is that Beasley is good, but ppl are overrating him 13 games into the season

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Maybe because I don't do what

Maybe because I don't do what if stats or per this or that. I deal with facts. What a person does in the minutes that they do play. No one wins the scoring or rebounding,block,assist titles by what they would score in 48 min or rebound in 48 min. Lol. See the difference.  Everyhing I've put up is based on what beasley as ACTUALLY done.  You pull up two things on what MIGHT happen in 100 possessions. Lol.  Is that really the best proof you can come up with. Lmao

Even you're blocks and steals and scoring has back fired. I think being in the top 5-10  at you're position is pretty good is it not?

Just giving up buddy cuz you're fighting a losing battle. You have proved everything you have said isn't based on actual facts. The closest you have come to that is per 100 posessions. LMFAO.  Yea let's base every players offense and defense on per100 possessions. Man u really are reaching. Next thing you're gonna put is how little he scores or defends when playing on a Monday night when it's raining while his car is left with half a tank of gas

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I think I can live with

I think I can live with beasley giving up that many points per 100 possessions since he gives up 14ppg per how ever many minutes he plays a game. Yeah I think that might be more important  .  But hey maybe I'm just crazy

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Ok, let's use math.. 106pts

Ok, let's use math..

106pts per 100 possessions means 22pts in 23.9 possessions per game, which is his actual number.

Defensive rating, in 100 possessions, he gives up 112pts

112pts in 100 means they score 26.7ppg on him when his opponents get the same number of touches as he

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These were the top 5 in

These were the top 5 in defensive rating last year its not a bad stat

1.
Dwight Howard-ORL
95.4

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Andrew Bogut-MIL
98.1

3.
Gerald Wallace-CHA
99.7

4.
Lamar Odom-LAL
100.4

5.
Rasheed Wallace-BOS
100.5

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This is absurd. It seems like

This is absurd. It seems like everyone is overrating or underrating Michael Beasley. Yes,of course he was going to score more in Minny. We all knew this. But no one accounted for him being this motviated and becoming a leader. Like why are some of you trying to make it seem like he hasn't improved at all? The dude has the talent to be an All Star. How can you deny that? You are all the same people who thought he was a future stud before his draft and went number 2, you don't go number 2 unless you have the talent to be great. The potential has always been there.

@BTPH

Really? Not a steal? Have you watched the super team the Wolves 'helped'? The Heat are 6-4, at least Beasley is showing the results on his part of the deal. For you to say it's a bad move is moronic. They gave up next to nothing to get a player with All Star talent (who has also produced very nicely). They stockpiled talent for nothing. The goal of an NBA team is too win a championship, yes, you said that correct. So bringing in good talent for nothing, helps the team. Why don't you get that? They improved their team by getting him. Sure they are still a bad team, but they have missed starters for most of their games. I don't even like the T-Wolves and it's obvious you're hating.

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My point is beasley is ranked

My point is beasley is ranked in the top 5-8 in points,rebounds,steals etc at his position. Which means he's above average in each of those catagories at his position.  If I'm not mistaken that means based on his position,compared to his peers he is ranked ahead of almost all other small forwards in the NBA

Who is overrating beasley though.  I still havnt read anyone overrating him. No one said he's all NBA. Or a allstar this year or all defensive team or leading his team to the playoffs a title or even a winning record.  Maybe I misses something but please show me or copy and paste where someone overrated him

What I do see is people getting tired of reading about him so they decided to talk about what he can't do or what he isn't very good at

Like seeing someone talk about how fine a good looking girl is and get tired of hearing about it so you start to point out the girls flaws or say "well per 50 years she won't look so fine" lol

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There's your actual number.

There's your actual number.

Now let's see who are the opposing small forwards you keep talking about.

Casspi (2x)

Delfino

Gay: 25pts, 6rbs, 5asts, 4stls

James: 20pts (7-12), 12asts

Richardson

Ma. Williams (2x)

Battier

Artest

Chandler

G. Wallace: 26pts, 5asts, 4rbs

R. Butler

It's fair to say that the players who I didn't post stats for, aren't going to drop 20ppg on their respective teams.. So he's been guarding either scrubs, spot up shooters, or defensive minded small forwards, and the only times he guarded scorers, they torched him for 24ppg..

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By the way, check what he did

By the way, check what he did against good defenders at the small forward position

vs James: 11pts, 2rbs (4-9 FG)

vs Artest: 17pts, 1rb (6-15 FG)

vs Battier: 15pts, 2rbs (5-12 FG)

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^

He was hurt against the Heat. He had 11 points in the first quarter.

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^ still shooting 4-9 I'm

^ still shooting 4-9

I'm not saying he's a bad player, but I'm saying all he can do is score, people are already raving how he's the next Carmelo Anthony because of a string of good games he's had. If that's the case, Paul Millsap is the next Dirk because he's playing so well.

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He is not anywhere near Melo,

He is not anywhere near Melo, but he is still getting no love from a lot of people on here. BTW if he made his next shot he would be 5-10 which is good, 4-9 isn't bad.

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I keep saying he's Antawn

I keep saying he's Antawn Jamison, plays the same tweener position and can score. I'm not underrating this kid nor am I overrating. This guy was one of my favorite players in high school, I even have his McDonalds All-American Jersey (it matches with nothing).

I'm just saying, it's too soon for everybody to say he's the next multiple time All-Star and he's the next Melo.

Carmelo is on the same level as James, Durant, Wade, Howard, Paul, Williams, and, of course, Bryant.

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You have proven my point that

You have proven my point that you don't watch the games. I didn't watch the Miami game but I do know he hurt his back in the first quarter in which he had 11points and held lebron to 0-6. Or might have been 1-6

Rudy gay and Wallace scored around what they usually score. That's a big. Deal how exactly?  These are things I already know because I watched the games unlike you

I see you decided to only put the stats of Wallace and gay ( one was a allstar the other has allstar talent). Where are the stats for ALL the starters he has guarded??????

And correct me if I'm wrong but when someone scores,rebounds wins a game do they include all the games they did it in or just the games that has real good players or real good teams?  Isn't it based on all games teams?

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You're simply overrating him

You're simply overrating him because he scored tons of points against bad players.

If I go to a middle school and drop 50 pts, does that make me SO MUCH better? No, because I did it against scrubs. it's 13 games in and he's proved to not be able to do well against good team. We all know his problems are focus and consistency. How about we give it another 20 games then bring this up again.

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So which part of saying he

So which part of saying he has all star potential is overrating him?

Those are defenders who have given the best of the best trouble with there defense so I'm not understanding you're point. The NBA doesn't keep guys from allstar teams or disreguard there scoring stats because they score well against every player except 3 of the best defenders in the NBA.

And once again tell me where someone said beasley will be a mutiple allstar. Where is someone overrating him?  How is it overrating to say he has the potential to be like melo (which fans and NBA coachs have all said)

You get on me for not answering a question so answer that for me

Where is it that people are overrating him??? 

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And people saying he has

And people saying he has allstar ability isn't just based on 13 games. Fans and coachs alike have been saying he has allstar ability starting back when he was halfway through college. This isn't something that just came up this year. His talent was never deniable.  The only question was can/will he live up to what he's capable of.  And I still havnt found one person saying he will be a allstar this year

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Beasley just stuffed Kobe

Beasley just stuffed Kobe

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I like beasley but my lakers

I like beasley but my lakers are gonna punish the twolves

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Beasley and this argument

Stats are nice and all but as Stanford said, you gotta watch the games to really tell what a player is. I have not been able to catch a ton of T-Wolves games, but from the parts I have seen, B-easy is playing the most dedicated basketball of his life. So what if he isn't putting up amazing all-around stats? The guy has been putting up 30+ points, hitting game winning shots, and throwing down highlight dunks which is exxxactly why they traded for him. Give him his due, everyone agrees he has All-Star POTENTIAL, and now we move on.

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Tongue-Out, don't bring up

Tongue-Out, don't bring up stats if you tell him his argument isn't valid because he brought up stats and stats lie.

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melo

All Melo does is score but people see him as one of the best players and are drooling over him as a free agent/trade. Beasly is a scorer and he would have more rebounds if he was playing PF but they have Love to take care of that.

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Beasley does have the

Beasley does have the potential to be a good player in the league. He can be one of the best SF in the league. You can teach someone how to defend, but you can't teach a person how to score. The holes in his games are things that can actually be fixed. The guy is only 21 or so years old, and he has a large window to improve. People are getting to caught up in this LeBron do-it-all syndrome where a player has to be able to do everything well to be a good player, which isn't true at all. And how could Beasley be a bust? This guy is no where near being a bust regardless if he doesn't live up to being a 25-5-5 player. Now that guy in Memphis or w/e he exists that goes by the name of Hasheem Thabeet, now that is a bust for you.

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Stanford to say that someone

Stanford to say that someone putting up a triple double on the Clippers wouldn't mean much might be pushing it a little lol. Yeah Tmac didn't get out of the first round but when he was in Orlando he was finishing in the discussion for MVP for several years and being argued as the best player in the league. Despite being on a team that wasn't a contender.

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I was being sarcastic.  I do

I was being sarcastic.  I do believe a player can be good on a bad team. I just wanted to see if his logic just applied to beasley or all players who put up numbers on a bad team. Once I names other players he switches it up saying "well so and so can also do this or that". Saying someone isn't as good just because they are on a bad team is bs

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No, like I said, all Beasley

No, like I said, all Beasley can do is score. If somebody posts a triple double, that's different because they have the ability to rebound and pass, unlike Beasley who all he can do is score and his defense is shakey.

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You're just a hater, Tongue

You're just a hater, Tongue it out like 23.

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Yeah, that's a valid

Yeah, that's a valid argument, Steroid.

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Beasley has certainly started

Beasley has certainly started to mature as a player under Kurt Rambis, his defensive game is still very much a work in progress but his rebounding and blocking have improved especially when he is playing alongside K-Love who is one of the best rebounders in the NBA and Darko is one of the most prolific blockers so far this year.

The acid test will be can Beasley help the team improve win-wise over the next few years.

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I agree with you about

I agree with you about Beasley, but disagree with you about Gordon. Gordon is very strong defensively and can defend three positions.

He's not a point guard, but he's averaging close to 5 assists this season. He's showing improvement and doing things most didn't think he could do. Beasley is doing what people thought he could do. Nothing more, nothing less.

The Clippers suck, but you can't blame any of that on Gordon.

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Or I should say, you can't

Or I should say, you can't blame too much of that on Gordon. He's shooting terrible from three and is averaging over three turnovers.

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Gordan is mostly to blame for

Gordan is mostly to blame for the losing. That's how it works if you're the star of the team just like he would get most of the praise if they were winning.  The wins/lost falls on the star player.  You know that. Always been like that

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@stanford hoops.My bad I got

@stanford hoops.My bad I got you. And I agree with that totally. This is the NBA not high school.

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The entire team is to blame,

The entire team is to blame, but you certaintly can't fault Gordon and Griffin too much. Of course they're making mistakes and still learning. I mean, they're both 21 years old.

The entire team is to blame though. They're poor in third quarters. They make mistakes down the stretch of games. Bad defense. The bench has been pathetic. They're starting three rookies and two third year pros. They probably have the youngest starting five in the NBA right now. Mistakes are going to happen.

The Clippers are just a bad team. It's that simple. I'm not impressed with Del Negro either.

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Of course this blame all

Of course this blame all around but most always falls on the leaders which would be coach and Eric gordan. That's how it's always been and star players accept that. Just like when they win people say " Eric gordan lead them to victory". You take the good with the bad. The leader accepts the praise when they win and the blame when they lose

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Gordon has shown improvement

Gordon has shown improvement in that area, but I wouldn't say he's the leader. I do see him trying to grow into that role though, which is what you've criticized him of the last two seasons.

The three "leaders" of the Clippers are Del Negro, Davis and Kaman.

This is a team with two talented young players, three rookies being thrown into the fire sooner than expected (Bledsoe, Aminu and Warren) and a group of underachieving veterans (Foye, Smith, Butler, Gomes and Cook).

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The leader this year has

The leader this year has clearly been gordan. And gordan has accepted alot of the blame because he knows right now he's the leader. Even if some fans try to shield him from the blame. Baron is hurt kahman is hurt so that leave gordan as the leader. So he shoulders the most blame over the other players

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Del Negro just said himself

Del Negro just said himself before last game that the team lacks a true leader right now and that it's still trying to discover it's identity.

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