Ok, I'll say it; Michael Beasley

Note: I do admit that Beasley is a prolific scorer but quit overrating the kid.. It's been 13 games.

Thank you!!! These "experts" are such prisoners of the moment sometimes. Now hes a star after they spent two years bashing him.This is the same guy who was shipped out of Miami for a second rounder.

i agree with 3. He is wuithout question better then i have given him creidt for in the past. But we are still talking about a guy whos greatest weapon is scoring and is putting up numbers on a sub par team.

As for 4, no the owners are stupid. Beasely was being given away to anybody with cap room for a bag of chips. Even i being not a beasley fan said at the time that was a steal becasue there really is no risk. 2 second rounders? And no body could come up with a better deal for miami?

the spurs are championship calliber?

Which means we need to quit with all the talk about 

Tyreke Evans
Cousins
Blake griffin
Eric gordan
John wall
 
Untill they start winning because they are all doing it on a bad team

Yea I think I can agree with that

Here we go with stanford hoops being a troll.

All Eric Gordon and Michael Beasley do is score.

Tyreke is a good passer and good rebounder for a guard.

Cousins is a presence down low and is a good rebounder.

Griffin is a good rebounder, hustle player, blocks shots

Wall can pass and play very good defense, get steals and rebound.

Now what can Beasley and Gordon do effectively aside from scoring?

For got to add hibbert. And brook lopez

And holiday can't compare to Jennings because holiday is doing it on a bad team while Jennings does it on a playoff team

Exactly, don't answer my question.

Wow name calling.  Ok

Anyway. None of that matters if you're team still doesn't win. They can pass and rebound all they want but if it doesn't equal wins what good is it doing other than padding stats on a bad team? 

Lol, answer my question... What can Beasley do aside from scoring?

If someone averaged a triple double for the clippers yet the team still never makes the playoffs what do those stats mean in the grand scheme of things?  Tmac used to kill but what do people remeber about him?  Couldn't get out of the first. Round. Now imagin if he could never even get to the playoffs

You not wanting to answer my simple question shows me that I got you cornered and you know I have a point, that's the reason you continue your sarcasm. Poor child. I'm done talking ball with you.

Beasleys role is to score. And he averages 5rebounds per game ( one less then durant ). He's doing what his role is. So he's less of a player because he scores and is 12th at the small forward position in rebounding?  What exactly do you think a small forward is suppossed to do exactly?  There's only one lebron. And not many Gerald wallaces. Most small forwards don't get alot of assist or rebounds or lock down on defense so what do u expect out of beasley?  He's at or close to average in  just about all small forward non scoring stats and one of the leaders in scoring at his position.  You want him to be lebron?  That's not him.   

Now I'm a poor child.  How old are you?  You resort to name calling because someone doesn't do what u want?  Really.  If it makes you feel better continue with the name calling  or leave and I'll continue to have a adult debate with the other mature users on this site

He rebounds above average for a SF and plays "ok" D. He's not Melo, but I do think that's his ceiling. Not saying he will ever get there, but at 21 and given a long leash this kid is showing he has game. If he ends the year at 20 ppg 5 boards and 4 TO a game I think that's something. Not like he's the second coming, but he's a legit former #2 pick still on his rookie contract. Is he an all-star right now? I don't really think so, but he could be a multi-year all-star if he stays healthy and continues to score well for the next 5-10 years. I think what we are seeing is a nice bump in actual production that lets us revist the potential issue.

I would say that beasley is a very good player and he does have the potential to be an all star in the future. Dont forget the "experts" were predicting him to be better than durant, I just think he was a very bad fit in miami. He needs to dominate the ball to be productive and he was not going to get that opportunity playing with wade who is a top 3 player. I can see beasley giving you 20, 5 and 2 for a couple years because he has the talent, but the pieces have to fall the correct way for him to really be beneficial to your team. And when Flynn comes back either beasley's assist or his ppg will rise because of the attention Flynn will command.

Hmm... So now you're finally telling me more, you just told me all Beasley can do is score. Thank you for pointing out he can't defend either forward position, thank you for pointing out that he's not a good rebounder, thank you for pointing out that he's not a leader. Like I said, all Beasley can do is score and you proved me right.

I also forgot to add that Micheal beasley is ranked number 6 in pts/rebounds/assist catagory out of all the NBA small forwards. Right behind gerald Wallace and right ahead of Paul Peirce 

Out of all small forwards and power forwards he's ranked 15. Ahead of Blake griffin

Oh and he's only giving up 14ppg on the defensive end on the small forwards he guards

That stat is blown up because he scores 22 a game and other small forwards score about 16, don't even try to bring up that stat.

Where did you come up with that 14ppg stat?

Out of all players he's ranked 33rd. 
Ahead of steph curry
Joe Johnson
Lamarcus aldrige
Kevin Garnett
Brandon Jennings 
Al Jefferson 

You must not be following Minny at all -- Beasley is THE leader in Minny right now. One game when KLove was dogging it Beasley ran to the bench and told Rambis to bench Love and that he didn't want to see him on the court again until he was ready to play. Kevin sat and came back after after an extended rest having gotten the message. KLove played night and day better. Beasley wasn't a leader in Miami as a rookie or second year man on Wade's team, but he is THE leader of the young Minny team

Again, that stat is blown up because his scoring.

Beas is also leading the return of Spree's pippi longstocking hairstyle, which is more impressive than leading a bad team. Why does that only happen in Minnesota?

From looking at all the players he has guarded this year, watch the games, check game logs that show when the player has made a shot. Add up the points and divide. And that's the average.  I didn't post back ups. If I did the ppg he's giving up is around 11.

If you wanna check for you're self watch the games, use espn stats and or NBA.com. Does that answer you're question

So that leaves beasley with a plus 8 or 9 in comparision to guys who he has had to guard

I think Beasley might have been disinterested in Miami. Here in Minny he has become the vocal leader of this team. He is played fired up defense and giving it 100%. Some people might still be thinking he is a PF when he is played primary SF for this team. His REB stats are above average for a SF. He is scoring, providing leadership, trying 100% and playing very ok defense and doing a solid job of rebounding. What more do you want?

He is simply not the same player he was in Miami

See I have this problem.  I tend to see things for myself and do research instead of just listening to someone when they say someone is a bad or good shooter,scorer,defender,
Passer etc

Like last year when people said zach is a horrble defender yet he only gave up 16ppg on average to other starting power forwards

Well, that's not the most effective way to check their opponents scoring average because they could have switched on different possesions and he most likely didn't play small forward the entire game.

Beasley has improved, but I wonder what he'd do on a championship team? He seems to need the ball in his hands and if he doesn't have the ball he's ineffective,

So in conclussion beasley is

Ranked 6th out of 32 starting small forwards in pts/reb/ast

15th out of 64 starting sf and pf in pts/reb/ast

33rd out of around 346 starting players in pts/reb/ast

And gives up 14ppg to starting sf

IMO that's not bad. Not bad at all

Which is why I also watched every game (except the Miami game). I actually short changed beasley because I included points his players have scored off of picks ( 5.3ppg) 

p/r/a is blown up because of his scoring.. smh...

he's giving up 14ppg but... youre not counting when people they have switches on defense or when he's actually playing power forward, so those stats mean nothing to me.

And you watching every game is the biggest lie.. Why would a Cali kid watch every Minnesota game?

Im with you with the assessment of Mike Beasley. Ppl are going crazy. But I disagree with your opinion on Eric Gordon. I believe if you put him on a contender, hed still be doing his thing. And aside from scoring, Eric is a strong defender. Hes not on top with the other NBA elite, but he deserves the love hes getting. One day he will be an All Star, and it wont just be for his scoring. But Mike Beasley, Im still not sold on him.

As far as being efficiant. Beasley is ranked 7th out of all the small forwards and 24th out of every forward (sf and pf) in the NBA 

stanfordhoops isnt a little early to bring up efficiency stats, sure Beasley is into it right now, but I want to see what happens a few more games into the season and the losses start piling up

The thing is Staford hoops is actually using real stats to argue his point, while you use that argument that there is no way he watches timberwolves game cuz he is in cali

andxxx, that's exactly what I'm saying, it's too soon.

nbanflguy, everybody knows that stats lie, if you want to see the rest of my argument, scroll up.

Yea its waaaaaaaay too early to look at the stats. Mike Beasleys biggest issues are focus and consistency. Lets get at least half way through the season and then MAYBE we can think about Michael Beasley being something serious.

There we go, now we have people who understand. It's the first 13 games..

If I added pf it would be even lower( doesn't spend alot of time playing pf). 

And I'm from dc. I watch all of beasley games because he was also brought up in the dc assualt aau program I was brought up in and I've been watching him since his freshman year in hs (same high school coach Lou Wilson)

So the real question is what are you basing beasleys defense on?  I've actually watched his games and did my research and also invited anyone to check the games and game log and stats to make sure I'm not lying.  It's clear you are basing you're opinion on either a dislike of him or from what you heard somewhere. Next time you wanna debate about something please do you're research because when you don't you're just a loud wrong person that doesn't know alot about what you claim to have knowledge on

Want me to pull up some stats that show Beasley isn't as good? Okay, here I go.

Blocks per game: 0.6

Steals per game: 0.9

Turnovers: 3

FT%: 68%

Beasley picks up 8% of his team rebounds. and is responsible for 13% of their turnovers.

And here we go with the MAIN defensive and offensive stat.

Offensive rating, in 100 possessions, he would score 106pts

Defensive rating, in 100 possessions, he gives up 112pts

Defensive rating is the best stat for show his defense.. He gives up more than he scores. Checkmate.

I can get stats too.

More stats? He's 6th in field goals attempted but he's 15th in scoring. Hmm something seems wrong there.

Oh, let's review his off/def rating again

Offensive rating, in 100 possessions, he would score 106pts

Defensive rating, in 100 possessions, he gives up 112pts

stanfordhoops, how could you watch mike beasley play and actually say hes playin GOOD defense? you can break out a few numbers, but from what ive seen, thats not good defense......

But wait, dont stats lie? and isnt it a little early to bring up those stats? only 13 games in

Which brings me to another point. If it's too early to say beasley isn't that good and can't do this or that. Isn't it fair for someone to make a point on what he is doing in only 13 games since that is what people who don't think he's not that good, are basing there opinion on?  13 games right

Some say he's not that good because the wolves are losing. And that's based on......13 games. So if someone can argue about what beasley isn't doing in 13 games that opens the door to say what he is doing right?

Some way says all he can do is score is based off of 13 games so doesn't it make sense that someone can say how efficant he has been in 13 games or is it that the 13 games can only be used to say what beasley hasn't or can't do?

Another thing is who has gone over board about beasley?  In every post I've read those who give beasley praise have said

He's gotten better
He works harder
Given a chance
All star potential
Looks like a leader

So where is the "gone crazy" or going over board part?

Maybe i missed the "gone crazy part" so can one of y'all please show me were someone has gone crazy or over board?

he called me out to bring in stats, there they are.

"Which brings me to another point. If it's too early to say beasley isn't that good and can't do this or that. Isn't it fair for someone to make a point on what he is doing in only 13 games since that is what people who don't think he's not that good, are basing there opinion on? 13 games right"

No, people who say he isn't that good aren't talking about these 13 games, we're talking about his 171 total games that we've seen him.

By the way, let's review his off/def ratings again.

Offensive rating, in 100 possessions, he would score 106pts

Defensive rating, in 100 possessions, he gives up 112pts

Hmm, I can see you are now contradicting yourself and saying it's too soon, are you turning around on all your stats and thoughts already? Hmm, that was quick.

I can speak for me: lets wait a little longer before we assess a player who prior to this season was on the verge of being labeled a bust.....