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Nikola Pekovic

He is beastin as of late .. do you think this is because of the addition of Ricky Rubio or Pekovic really working on his game ... ? or both ?


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I'd say both, man. He's

I'd say both, man. He's really improved since last season, so I give him a ton of props for that. It helps that Rubio spoon feeds him some easy buckets too. Happy for they guy because he's an extremely hard-worker. And it's really fun to see how this guy can make opposing centers/forwards look like rag dolls.

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Frankly I jut think he's a

Frankly I jut think he's a alot better than people gave him credit for. This was a guy who was playing for Partizan from the time he was 19. And then played a big role for Greek Powerhouse Panathinaikos for a couple years.

He was also a pretty good draft prospect. He wasn't taken until the second round because he was under contract in Europe but most NBA teams considered him a lottery talent.

Hell NBA draft net compared him to Tyrone Hill who carved out a pretty nice career in the league with one All-Star appearance and career averages of 9.4 PPG, 8.6 RPG and 28 MPG over a 14 year career. And that was before he gained 40lbs and started beasting in the Euroleague!

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/nikola-pekovic

He's one of the strongest interior players in the league and he's every bit the real deal.

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Maybe also the coaching change ...

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Many different things factor

Many different things factor in.. New coach new point guard.. He has professional experience overseas.. Even though this is his second year he is already 26. Even though multiple things could attribute to his success i think the main thing is just opportunity. He only played 13 mpg last year but has looked good for a while now

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It sure the hell is nothing

It sure the hell is nothing to do with Rubio. This is why NBA fans are so impossible to reason with or ever discuss basketball with.

I said for a long time here that he is better than any center in the NBA when he was in Europe. So is Bourousis also FYI.

I was called a troll and made fun of so much by ALL OF YOU.

Then he sits on the bench in the NBA because of a stupid American coach who thinks all European players suck (like almost all NBA coaches) and he is called "NBA scrub" that "dominated in Europe". He never dominated in Europe also, but that lie is repeated endlessly by retarded NBA fans also.

Now, he gets an actual chance to play, and NBA fans want to credit Rubio for it. PATHETIC.

Pekovic was doing the same with Acie Law as his point guard. And Rubio was one of the worst point guards in years in the Euroelague. He was a total POS SCRUB in Euroleague. Pekovic was always 50 times a better player than Rubio.

NBA fans, "it must be because of Rubio".

There is nothing else to say. NBA fans are INSANE.

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Please stop posting amongst

Please stop posting amongst NBA fans if you have such a problem with them. Rubio is playing pretty well this year, and so is Pekovic. He is NOT however, the best center in the league.

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Yes he is. He is easily the

Yes he is. He is easily the best center in the NBA. Bourousis would be also if he was in the NBA. Rubio is extremely overrated. Anyone with a true basketball knowledge knows that Rubio is pure fool's gold. 100% all flash and zero substance player.

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European Baller you are

European Baller you are INSANE! You are the most annoying, useless, arrogant, and racist poster on this site. You provide nothing of value. This is a NBA forum, not a European ball forum!

Rubio was bad his last few years in Europe because he was forced to play for a team that ran an offense that did not suit him at all. He is best suited in a the NBA enviroment of fast paced, that lets him created and play in a free flowing style. His last 2 years in Europe, he was in a system where he would was forced to call a play, pass it, and then go stand in the corner. That is not his style! In the NBA he creates open looks for his teammates and that includes Pek! Of course he is not the sole reason for Pek's improvement this year, but he damn well had a part in it.

I said for a long time here that he is better than any center in the NBA when he was in Europe.

You are a idiot! He is doing fantastic right now and I am a huge twolves fan, but to call him the best center in the NBA right now is idiotic.

You are a f*cking troll and need to get the f*ck out of here.

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europeanballers

YO , european baller, im from europe , so stfu alright, all credit cant go to one person because obviously somebody has to pass him the ball in the post, and some one has to create thew plays that they run , we aint saying its all rubio, oh and dont generalise all nba fans to be the same alright gheeeeeeeze

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One pretty good game against

One pretty good game against D12 (where his team got beat down pretty bad) does NOT mean he is the best C in the NBA.

Also aren't you the one who always says Pek wasn't that good? He wasn't even the best C on his own team or something like that?

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Hate to burst your bubble, chief, but Pekovic is not better than Dwight Howard. I would love to here you explain otherwise. Plus, I am as cynical about Rubio as anybody, but he obviously has some substance. Plus, while he was not exactly dominant in Euroleague, he was the starting PG on the 2010 FC Barcelona Championship team. It is funny, because of all the love you give to (mostly Greek) European players, you have a Rubio vendetta.

I used to be the same thing with Steve Nash and Canada (though, I do not think I was ever as big of an angry pr!ck as you seem to be on this board). Let it go and appreciate what he does do. You can still rate him where ever you want, but Ricky is obviously doing well for himself even with the flaws. Pekovic has flaws as well. He fouls a lot and turns the ball over too much. He might have made the second year pool for the Rising Stars game, but his breakout came a little late.

Still, you really think he and Bourousis would be the best centers in the NBA? Is he better than Ioannis, if you had to choose one or the other? They both are huge guys who have some obvious skill set, they may be more versatile offensive players than Dwight Howard. The thing is, you and I both know that there is a lot more to a center than offensive skill set. Guys like Dwight Howard, Andrew Bynum, Marc Gasol (who is European, or do you not like Spanish guys with the whole Rubio thing?) and Tyson Chandler would probably be in the discussion for being better Centers, among others. I am not saying that Pekovic is not a good center, but saying he is the best just seems to be going WAY too far.

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Also aren't you the one who

Also aren't you the one who always says Pek wasn't that good? He wasn't even the best C on his own team or something like that?

Yes he did say that. He was outraged when someone said Pek was a star in Europe.

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Pek has been playing at a high level

Pek has been playing at a high level this season and is a very nice partner to Love, he's bulked up alot since he was first drafted, according to his draft profile, he was around 240lbs, now he's 290 and it's all muscle, guy's a tank in the paint which really suits his play style as a bruiser down low and it gives Love the freedom to spread the floor as opposed to clogging the paint.

He's looking like a regular fixture in the T'Wolves starting line-up, with regards to whether the Lin hype brush should be put on Pek, i don't agree, Lin has been unbeaten for seven games, had a game-winner and scored over 20 points on multiple outings, Pekovic has done none, he's been playing well and he deserves attention but he's not on Lin's level, Pek's a blue collar type guy and probably wouldn't be that interested with media attention.

It's good to see him finally come over, according to draft experts, he was a top 10 prospect in the 08' draft, his contract situation forced him into the second round and the T'Wolves pounced on him eventhough they expected a wait, Pek's come over and has been repaying that faith. David Kahn with another good move? The guy isn't looking like so clueless anymore.

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European Baller you are

European Baller you are INSANE! You are the most annoying, useless, arrogant, and racist poster on this site. You provide nothing of value. This is a NBA forum, not a European ball forum!

Rubio was bad his last few years in Europe because he was forced to play for a team that ran an offense that did not suit him at all. He is best suited in a the NBA enviroment of fast paced, that lets him created and play in a free flowing style. His last 2 years in Europe, he was in a system where he would was forced to call a play, pass it, and then go stand in the corner. That is not his style! In the NBA he creates open looks for his teammates and that includes Pek! Of course he is not the sole reason for Pek's improvement this year, but he damn well had a part in it.

I said for a long time here that he is better than any center in the NBA when he was in Europe.

You are a idiot! He is doing fantastic right now and I am a huge twolves fan, but to call him the best center in the NBA right now is idiotic.

You are a f*cking troll and need to get the f*ck out of here.

Why is it that there is not a single Timberwolves fan alive that knows anything about basketball?

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One pretty good game against

One pretty good game against D12 (where his team got beat down pretty bad) does NOT mean he is the best C in the NBA.

Also aren't you the one who always says Pek wasn't that good? He wasn't even the best C on his own team or something like that?

I said if he was in the NBA, he would be the best center in the NBA, which he now is.

On Panathinaikos, he was the second best center on the team. Mike Batiste was the best center on the team, not Pekovic.

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How many Eurpean centers do

How many European centers do you think are better then Dwight Howard????

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Hate to burst your bubble,

Hate to burst your bubble, chief, but Pekovic is not better than Dwight Howard. I would love to here you explain otherwise. Plus, I am as cynical about Rubio as anybody, but he obviously has some substance. Plus, while he was not exactly dominant in Euroleague, he was the starting PG on the 2010 FC Barcelona Championship team. It is funny, because of all the love you give to (mostly Greek) European players, you have a Rubio vendetta.

I used to be the same thing with Steve Nash and Canada (though, I do not think I was ever as big of an angry pr!ck as you seem to be on this board). Let it go and appreciate what he does do. You can still rate him where ever you want, but Ricky is obviously doing well for himself even with the flaws. Pekovic has flaws as well. He fouls a lot and turns the ball over too much. He might have made the second year pool for the Rising Stars game, but his breakout came a little late.

Still, you really think he and Bourousis would be the best centers in the NBA? Is he better than Ioannis, if you had to choose one or the other? They both are huge guys who have some obvious skill set, they may be more versatile offensive players than Dwight Howard. The thing is, you and I both know that there is a lot more to a center than offensive skill set. Guys like Dwight Howard, Andrew Bynum, Marc Gasol (who is European, or do you not like Spanish guys with the whole Rubio thing?) and Tyson Chandler would probably be in the discussion for being better Centers, among others. I am not saying that Pekovic is not a good center, but saying he is the best just seems to be going WAY too far.

Rubio was starting point on Barca? So what? Besides, he only started like 70% of the time. Anyway..so what? Euroleague teams don't care about who starts and comes off the bench. Papaloukas was the best player in Europe and never started.

The NBA is where starting has something to do with how good you are. It means absolutely nothing in Euroleague. League MVPs in Euroleague have been bench players. Rubio starting meant ZERO.

Guess what? Rubio usually spent the 4th quarter of the important games on the bench. Jaka Lakovic usually played the 4th quarters, while Rubio sat on the bench.

Besides that, Juan Carlos Navarro almost always ran the offense in all the important games and moments, not Rubio. Rubio had hardly anything to do with them winning a Euroleague title. In 2 years with Barca, he maybe 4-5 good games in TOTAL.

Yes, Bourousis would be the best center if he was in the NBA. And since you say there is no "evidence", then how come he completely destroyed Scola and Yao in the 2008 Olympics? He also regularly outplayed Pekovic in the Greek championship.

Bourousis isn't nearly as in the low post as Pekovic is, but he has a much more all around basketball ability. Bourousis is like a rich man's version of prime Okur, or a David Andersen on steroids. As strong as Pekovic is, he could NEVER back Bourousis down.

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Yes he did say that. He was

Yes he did say that. He was outraged when someone said Pek was a star in Europe.

This is not true at all. Of course Pekovic was a star in Euroelague. do not lie about what I said.

There have been many claims by NBA fas about Pekovic that are untrue. Like, he was a superstar in Euroleague and he was dominant in Euroleague.

Star in Euroleague - yes.

Superstar in Euroleague - no.

Dominant in Euroleague - no.

I am just objective and state true facts, and for this NBA fans get all pissed off, because NBA fans do not deal in reality or truth whenever it comes to the Euroleague. They only deal in imaginary fairly tales, and made up make believe nonsense.

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Pek has been playing at a

Pek has been playing at a high level this season and is a very nice partner to Love, he's bulked up alot since he was first drafted, according to his draft profile, he was around 240lbs, now he's 290 and it's all muscle, guy's a tank in the paint which really suits his play style as a bruiser down low and it gives Love the freedom to spread the floor as opposed to clogging the paint.

Pekovic weighed 310 pounds when he was with Panathinaikos. He did not bulk up at all. He actually lost quite a bit of weight. He even looks much smaller.

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Why is it that there is not a

Why is it that there is not a single Timberwolves fan alive that knows anything about basketball?

Why is it that you continuely come to this site just to b*tch and moan and call us racists?

Anyone who says Pek is the best center in the league and that Rubio has no substance can not talk to me about who knows basketball and who doesnt.

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I know basket, you don't.

I know basket, you don't. That's the reality. Things I said, are coming true. I told thos forum that Rubio can't shoot if his life depended on it and that Pekovic was much stronger than any center in the NBA.

People like you laughed and laughed and laughed.

Now you are just angry because you are starting to realize I was right all along and I actually know exactly what i am talking about.

I am just talking about the basket in reality. You are going strictly by NBA marketing gimmicks to form your opinions. That is not objective analysis. It is just being an NBA fan boy.

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Why are Greek players always

Why are Greek players always the best players in europe when talking to europeanballer why dony you change your name to greek baller

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Why are Greek players always

Why are Greek players always the best players in europe when talking to europeanballer why dony you change your name to greek baller

Why are you making things up? I never said anything about Greek players always being the best players in Europe. Stop trolling please.

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Ok lets have a real

Ok lets have a real conversation, name 5 european players of your choice that should be drafted this year and name what their potential is

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Woah Rubio cant shoot?!?!?

Woah Rubio cant shoot?!?!? What great and thoughtful analysis, not one person in the world knew that besides you. I thought he was a lights out shooter.

You didnt say Pek was the strongest you said he was the best center. I would agree with you that he is arguably the strongest center and strongest player in the league, but he is not the best center in the league right now.

You also have made thousands of claims that are pure BS. You are wrong most of the time. Dont get cocky with me.

I am a fun guy and it takes alot to get me angry, but congrats you have done it. I always joke about your stuff, but I cant do it anymore. I am so sick of your arrogant, cocky, idiotic ways. Just because we dont agree with you that doesnt make us racists.

Ps:

Rubio is not a good shooter at this time, but have you seen his jump shot form? It is flat out broken. Once the coaches work on his shooting form he should improve to at least average.

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I'm a T Wolves fan. I'd like

I'm a T Wolves fan. I'd like to think I know something about Basketball.

Pekovic is not the best Center in the NBA by any means. He may be the strongest. But he is not very skilled, not very athletic, and is still learning the NBA game. He has been very good at playing to his strengths though as of late, which is exactly that...STRENGTH. He screens, runs to the rim, he has strong hands, rebounds and is extremely active. He throws every bit of his weight around and I guarentee you that alot of post players do not like it.

Whoever said Rubio is bad is a plain fool. The guy is averaging 9 apg and our team is bottom 10 in fg%...he easily could average 12 to 15 apg if surrounded by better shooters in the near future. He isnt a great scorer, and I personally dont think he will ever be a 20 ppg player, but you dont need that from your PG. His J is streaky but better than people thought it would be, and he really hasnt had any time to work with the coaches on improving it.

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Proof you think greek are the best

Secondly, Spanoulis is way better than Rose is. There is one thing Rose does better at basketball than Spanoulis. Dunk. Spanoulis has him beat in every other basketball aspect.

If the Bulls replaced Rose with Spanoulis, they would win the NBA title without much difficulty.

This is from one of your threads

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You know how you can truely

You know how you can truely tell this dudes a joke he failed to answer my question of 5 international players to be drafted this year along with their potential as well as Y2G question of how many international centers are better then dwight howard. All he does is disagree with people, call them racist, and make da excuses but fails to offer any valid opinion other" if he was in his shoes he would have". If he was good he would have gotten his shot, he cant even guve mikeyv any valud explaination on any of his points. Cmon seriously its time to move on and best just ignire his posts

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Guys just ignore European

Guys just ignore European Baller hes a troll. Hes saying outrageous things just so you guys can flip out on him. Nobody thinks Pekovic is the best Center in the league. I dont think hes even in the top 10 and im from montenegro.

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Not impressed. You neglect all of the major factors, such as, I don't know DWIGHT HOWARD. You choose to nitpick on little things rather than have an amicable debate. It is funny that you get up in arms for someone saying he "dominated" or was a "superstar" in Euroleague, but than you say Bouroussis "destroyed Luis Scola and Yao Ming. What about Chris Bosh destroying him in 2008 as well? Care to share anything about that?

Sorry to perpetuate a negative "NBA fan" quality of using starting, but Ricky averaged over 20 minutes per game, so he obviously played a part. There was a reason why he was really highly regarded and I must say he has already had more than 4-5 good games in the NBA. Saying that someone that plays over half of the game does nothing for a championship team just makes you sound ridiculous.

Ricky may not have been a "star" during his time in Europe (though I think he had quite a few fans), but while his struggles were well documented, he can play. Even though he is shooting worse in the NBA than he did for Barca in Euroleague, you know due to the NBA's $hitty defense.

Man, it is honestly a let down that a person so passionate and informed (I am not kidding, I think you know your stuff about European basketball) is just always belittling people. So, I am going to ask you questions, that you will probably skip over and write something else I said offended you and was off base:

  • Do you think Ioannis Bouroussis is a better NBA Center than Dwight Howard?
  • Do you dislike American players that play in Greece?
  • WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM WITH RICKY RUBIO?
  • Why do you give a F#CK about these guys making the NBA when you hate the NBA?
  • Whatever happened to your guarantee that the US was going to lose the 2010 World Championships?
  • Did you get held enough as a child?

Sorry for that last one, but you just are a poster I would like to like, but you make it extremely difficult.

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Haha that last one was

Haha that last one was awesome Mikey.

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@sillyeuroballer

Here are Pekovic's numbers for the past 10 games

33.4 mpg, 18.4 ppg, 10.7 rebounds, 0.6 assists, 0.619 fg%, 1.2 blocks, 1.1 steals, 2.9 turnovers, and he shoots 3.9 freethrows per game and makes them at a 0.718 clip. 22.55 PER

Pekovic is playing very well, but here are the numbers for the best center in the league in his last 10 games.

40.3 mpg, 21.0 ppg, 15.3 rebounds, 1.7 assists, 0.553 fg%, 2.5 blocks, 1.5 steals, 3.1 turnovers, and he shoots 8.7 freethrows per game and has been making them at a 0.621 clip 24.00 PER

Obviously these numbers belong to Dwight Howard.

I can see a case being made for Pekovics numbers being better than Howards due to a better fg%, ft% and very solid rebounding and scoring numbers. But this isnt even about the numbers. Its about defense. Defense is half of the game and Dwight has been defensive player of the year for the past 3 seasons while also being a very potent offensive threat. Also, Dwight Howard is putting up these numbers with Ryan Anderson as the next biggest threat. Opposing coaches gameplan to stop Howard and still can't. The Magic are 20-11, They would be a lottery team without Howard. On the Timberwolves, opposing coaches gameplan against Kevin Love... Pekovic is an afterthought that teams are just starting to take notice of. I'd be interested to see what Pek does when teams have time to prepare for him, but in the meantime, how can you consider Pekovic the best center in the league when he (during a 10 game stretch where he is playing better than he ever has before) isnt even the best player on a 15-16 team AND still doesnt have better numbers than Howard. Theyre 5-5 in their last 10 games with Pek playing a major role.

I dont know why I took the time to write this, maybe I thought that I could talk sense into european baller, but im probably wasting my time, but anyway heres my conclusion. Howard is better... even after removing all of Howard's accolades from seasons past and concentrating solely on this 10 game sample size.

So I guess that Pekovic has either somehow pulled a Houdini and figured out a way to be the best center in the league while putting up worse numbers AND playing worse defense than Howard, while not being the best player on his team; orrrrr you, European Baller, are just plain wrong...

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Euroballer, who are the five

Euroballer, who are the five best players in the world in your opinion? Just out of everyone's curiosity......

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this was entertaining, but

this was entertaining, but he's jingoist, not racist.

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You could tell this kid was

You could tell this kid was gonna be good even from his summer league in Europe last year.

It just took him some time to put it together.

Best Center in the league after 30 games wow really.

Is he better than Mac Gasol, Bynum, Nene.

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Whoever said Rubio is bad is

Whoever said Rubio is bad is a plain fool. The guy is averaging 9 apg and our team is bottom 10 in fg%...he easily could average 12 to 15 apg if surrounded by better shooters in the near future. He isnt a great scorer, and I personally dont think he will ever be a 20 ppg player, but you dont need that from your PG. His J is streaky but better than people thought it would be, and he really hasnt had any time to work with the coaches on improving it.

Rubio would not even be in the top point guards by Euroleague standards. NBA fans and US sports media have EXTREMELY low standards for what they consider to be good point guards. Rubio is barely even adequate for Euroleague standards.

There are numerous point guardfs in the Euroleague that are way better than he is. It's this kind of USA only, NBA only viewpoint that makes NBA fans so incredibly hard to tolerate. This constant insistence that any player in the NBA that is from Europe, must be "the best from over there".

You got yourselves a guy that is nothing more than medicore by European standards, and you are celebrating like he is the next greatest thing. It's laughable. Do you not even realize every serious basketball fan in Euriope just laughs about this? Laughs about the whole Rubio thing........

But then, you will turn around and tell any European basketball fan that none of the players in Europe can "hang in the NBA". When the TRUTH is that you are falling over guys that are just run of the mill, dime a dozen by our European basketball standards. This is like a sad comedy.

But, the really ironic thing is that, it's the European fans that NBA fans call trolls, liars, homers. I have a news flash for you. Rubio is not even a good player by European standards.

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Ricky may not have been a

Ricky may not have been a "star" during his time in Europe (though I think he had quite a few fans), but while his struggles were well documented, he can play. Even though he is shooting worse in the NBA than he did for Barca in Euroleague, you know due to the NBA's $hitty defense.

Your stats are wrong. He is shooting better in the NBA than he did in the Euroleague.

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Pekovic

First of all, hello everyone. I'm from Spain, so English isn't my first language, but I'll try to do my best ;).

Anyway, European Baller, you've said that Pekovic wasn't even the best center in his team, Batiste was. Do you really think Mike Batiste, who without a doubt is a hell of a player as we have seen here in Europe, could have ever been the best center in the NBA if he had stayed in Memphis? I don't think so, and although I do like Pekovic as a player a lot I can't imagine how could he be considered the best.

In fact, NBA and FIBA basketball are diferent in a big number of ways. Sarunas Jasikevicius, who is one of the best PG I've ever seen in Europe, couldn't earn his minutes in Oakland. But what you can't forget is that retired NBA players like Wilkins or Scott came to Europe and became stars, althought you could make a case for Arvydas Sabonis too, who went to Portland in his verylater-thirties without knees, and had time to school a pair or bigs or three ;). Ricky sucked at Barcelona because of Xavi Pascual style of play in particular and Europe basketball characteristics in general, I think it's fair to say that he feels more comfortable where he is now (that comes from a Real Madrid fan, which though Rubio had big chances of becoming a bust).

After all, they are two worlds appart. In a general way, I think that NBA level cannot be met by European standards, although there are some exceptions to that rule.

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He did shoot 31% that last year

I forgot they separated 2's and 3's. I apologize, I was wrong. I am not perfect. Would you admitting that cause your brain to explode? Well, he is shot better from 2 point range in Euroleague than the NBA. However, Spanoulis shot 31.9% (granted, he got a $hit deal), Juan Carlos Navarro was at 40.2% and Rudy Fernandez is at 40%. Explain Sarunas Jasikevicius. These guys are good players, but are they on the level of LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Kobe Bryant, Dwyane Wade or Chris Paul? Night in, night out? Has not been shown.

You can claim the same thing, but these guys went to the NBA and if you want to believe racism was at the root of it, winning usually crushes that pretty quickly. What do you think Spanoulis and Navarro would be averaging in the NBA? Juan Carlos averaged 10.9 ppg in 25.8 mpg, I had definite hopes for him as an NBA player. But, he did not shoot incredibly well (he was a rookie, gave him benefit of the doubt) and put up numbers on a 22-60 team. Spanoulis did not get a fair go, but would he be on the level of Derrick Rose, Chris Paul or Deron Williams?

European fans may be laughing at us, but you are literally the only person on this board from Europe who consistently talks trash about Rubio. His team has almost won as many games this year as it did all of last year. It is not ALL Rubio, but he has played well even with his shooting. Brandon Jennings shot 37% his rookie year and was a major reason his team won the play-offs. I give Juan Carlos Navarro the same benefit of the doubt as either of them, though Juan Carlos was much more of a scoring guard. Either way, I am not a Rubio fanatic, but I know better than to say I speak for every fan when stating my own generally wrong opinion that seems to come from hateful undertones.

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That is. I think Spanoulis is a great player, although I feel is a bit overrated here in Europe (that's my opinion), but he is way under those players level.

Rubio game fits way better in the NBA. If Rick Adelman is your coach, it fits even better. IMO Rubio can do well, he's got a nice IQ, ball-handling, passing ability, a decent wingspan and height, ... I he is a hardworker, which I think he is, he has a NBA carrer behind him. But here in Europe, with a more strict way of coaching, tighter court... There are people who will do better, if you ask me, like Teodosic.

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