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Nicolas Batum vs Danilo Gallinari

Who will have the better career? their both 21, have had two fairly successful years in the league Gallenari has stood out for his shooting, and Batum is already an elite defender, neither is close to his ceiling yet.

Who would you take?


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Gallo will have better

Gallo will have better numbers, Batum could be the more desired player because he could be a lockdown defender.

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Well said realsportsnet.com.

Well said realsportsnet.com. That's basically what I was going to say.

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Your a gm, and for some weird

Your a gm, and for some weird reason their the only two players in the draft. You have the first pick who do you take?

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I'd take Gallinari. He has a

I'd take Gallinari. He has a chance to be an elite scorer in the NBA.

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it depends on what your team

it depends on what your team is already made up of therevenger. You always need scorers, shooters, and defenders. i dont think you could go wrong with either player

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gallinari isnt such a bad

gallinari isnt such a bad defender himself... he almost averaged a steal and a block... which i dont think it out of the realm of possibility for him at all...

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I would pick Gallo because

I would pick Gallo because his offense opens up the game for his teammates. He is a slight below Korver as perimeter shooter and getting better and he is 6'10" 6'11". I know Lebron could not ever imagine having someone like that to kick it out to. He would make about 4 threes with someone like Bron penetrating.

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Gallo, Batum potential isn't

Gallo, Batum's potential on offense isn't that great.
Lock down defender there is no such thing in the NBA as one anymore.

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D fence

Batum all day, defense wins championships, someones got to guard kobe, lebron, durant, mello, and the greats

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I'd go with Batum. He's a

I'd go with Batum. He's a better offensive player than people are giving him credit for. He just doesn't have as many opportunities to show it since he's Portland's 4th or 5th option. Not to mention... McMillian doesn't run a high tempo offense. He's actually pretty versatile offensively. He can catch and shoot the three, put the ball on the floor and he finishes at the rim. He's not a bad passer either.

Defensively... He's going to be one of the league's best very soon.

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BATUUUUMMMM

Will be a star

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Nicolas Batum

As much as I think Danilo has a bright future, winning teams have complete basketball players. Scottie Pippen is a great comparison for Batum, and I see them as both being complimentary players, but Batum will be much more solid on defense. As much as Gallinari has a great offensive game, Batum is no slouch either, plus his athleticism just makes his ceiling that much higher than Danilo. They could both be All-Stars one day, but if you watched that Cleveland vs. Boston series, and saw Antawn Jamison and Mo Williams, you know how important it is to have a defensive presence as well as offensive skill players. Even if Batum was an offensive liability, which he is not, it would be hard to take Gallinari just based on the fact he will more than likely always be somewhat of a defensive liability.

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So youre saying Batum will be

So youre saying Batum will be a borderline #1 option like Pippen?

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Batum is not more than a 3rd

Batum is not more than a 3rd option. But he's more likely a 4th option on a championship team. At best. He's not all that talented offensively. He has a good shot, and he's athletic, but he's not going to be a shot-creator and he doesn't have the mentality to be a dependable scorer. He is a good defender though. Probably will be elite soon.

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Batuum ever scored 30 in a

Batuum ever scored 30 in a game even?
Blazers have too many of these young players with potential he needs to play more.
Defensive stopper pls he did lil to slow down Durant, Mello, Granger, Gay.
Lebron would kill this guy with the size difference.
Not sure he's check Kobe much but I'm sure he wouldn't slow Kobe down either.

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Batum

I don't understand why so many people think Gallo is a vastly superior offensive player. Batum's percentages are better across the board. He led the league in TS% (.646) for players who played more than 800 min. Gallo was 57th (.575). Gallo scores 5 more points per game while shooting 4 more shots. They score almost identical numbers in points per possession. Batum is the better ball handler (although we haven't seen it much in Portland, he played point for the French team when Parker was out), and in my opinion the better passer. Just because he is labeled as a defensive specialist does not mean he is bad on offense.

Defensively this is not even close. Nic is already one of the most versatile defenders in the league. He guards the other team's best player regardless of position. He is great at guarding stretch 4s like Dirk and Jamison; as well as speedy guards like Brooks, Nash, and Paul. He has actually done really well guarding all of the players NYK2010 mentioned. He has had some trouble with LeBron and Melo, but he still plays them better than most defenders do and certainly better than Gallinari. With that said Gallo is a mush better defender than he gets credit for but Batum is on another level.

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Poland on Gallinari vs Batun

Poland, your post was informative and well written, however, you left out some important factors that statistics cannot measure.

Gallinari was a rookie [first full season] who played on a New York team that had atrocious PG play and horrendous ball movement. Great stand up shooters benefit from outstanding PG play and precision passing, none of which was part of the NY offense. If I were coaching, there would have been lots of screens for Gallo which would have put him in a position to score. That rarely happened last season, he was essentially on his own in a scatter brain offense.

In addition, the Knicks didn't have much of an inside presence, so defenders weren't overly concerned with double teaming and helping out down low. They could remain outside and concentrate on the Knick's long range shooters.

If you put Gallinari on a team with a powerful inside presence and great ball movement, he could become a very potent offensive weapon. As for his defense, I think you were right, it's much better than most people think. I was impressed because he worked hard and improved significantly on the defensive end of the court as the season progressed.

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Batum scored

Batum scored a career high 31 against the T'wolves so yes, he has the ability to score 30 on a Blazers team...

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Batum scored

Batum scored a career high 31 against the T'wolves so yes, he has the ability to score 30 for the Blazers...

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It is true that Batum benefited from playing with Miller and Roy and I would like to see how Gallo would play with them. They are better passers/play-makers than anyone NY has. I think your point about the inside presence is moot though. Batum has not played with Oden since last year and Aldridge and Camby are no more of an inside presence than Lee on offense. I guess you could argue that Roy and Miller are the post presence for the Blazers.

I do think that right now Gallo is a better offensive player because he has that scorer's mentality while Batum is very passive. I think Batum's athleticism and length put his potential higher, though it is debatable. The main things that Gallo is better at are creating his own shot and taking advantages of mismatches. He is too big for many 3s and too fast for many 4s. I think these things are easier for Batum to develop than it is for Gallo to get to Batum's level defensively.

I am curious to see if Batum can bulk up and develop a post game this offseason. Being more aggressive and creating his own shot are things that should come naturally as he gets more experienced, so I am not worried about that. Right now he has zero post game and I think he would benefit most from developing that part of his game. He seems to be a hard worker. He greatly improved this season even after having shoulder surgery on his shooting arm.

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Poland on Gallinari vs Batun

Poland, you made good points but I was NOT comparing Gallinari with Batum in any way shape or form because I rarely saw him play. However, I saw many of Gallinari's games so I feel qualified to offer an observation on his future potential.

Allow me to repeat my point. You brought up some interesting stats which were valid. I was merely stating that in Gallinari's case, you can't judge him solely on the stats because he played on a team in NY which had

1. atrocious PG play
2. rarely set screens for their best outside shooter [Gallo]
3. pathetic passing skills

I cannot tell you how many times I saw a wide open Gallinari ignored or the pass was delivered low, to the left, or to the right. Great shooters need to receive the ball chest high which allows them to go straight up with the shot. When you're 6 ft 10, like Gallinari, stretching left, right, or down means you have a lot of body to straighten up before you can get off your shot. By that time it's too late.

Next, NY didn't have much of an inside threat so defenders could stay on Gallinari instead of helping out down low.

If Gallo is fortunate enough to play on a team with an outstanding passing PG [like a Steve Nash] and an offensive force down low, he might turn into a prolific scorer.

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@Poland People are sleeping

@Poland

People are sleeping on Nic. He's better than what a lot of people realize, definitely on offense. And he's only scratching the surface. I'm a Portland follower, so I've been watching him since he was drafted. I even watched a little of him before he was drafted and have always liked him.

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Batum doesn't have the

Batum doesn't have the aggressive nature or ball-handling to be better than Gallinari on the offensive end. He can spot up shoot, score in transition and off straight-line slashes, but he's not the scorer or pure shooter Gallo is. Batum can't shoot off the dribble or create in isolations like Gallinari can. He's a basic spot-up shooter. Gallinari shoots alot of spot-ups, but he can score on the move much better than Batum can. Batum seems like at absolute best a 14 ppg scorer. He seems like a 3rd or likely 4th option with his weaknesses. He does all the same stuff Travis Outlaw does, except he's a much better defender, and Outlaw was never more than a 3rd/4th option for Portland. Batum had outstanding percentages in terms of shooting, they talk about it in every Portland game I watch, but that doesn't mean he's the offensive talent Gallo is. It just means he can score efficiently when given easy ways to score. That has much more to do with Coach McMillan's coaching. Batum is not the offensive talent Gallinari is, and you can't argue that if you watch them play.

Just watch, Gallinari will be a 20 ppg scorer in the future. And he's not quite as bad a defender as most say. He has the length to block shots and defend at least decent. He's not a bad defender at all. He tries harder on D than any Knick rotation player not named Bill Walker, Toney Douglas and Wilson Chandler.

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Galinari maybe a 20ppg scorer

Galinari maybe a 20ppg scorer but who would you rather have on your team Andrea Bargnani or Brendan Haywood?

Batum is not an offensive liability and he is actaully very underated as a scorer.Galinari maybe getting good defensive stats but his footspeed is not good, his positioning is not good, his rebounding is not good, his strength is not good and he is a SF PF.

Batum is fast, coordinate, smart and tricky defensively, He seems to be always in good position and is very long.

Neither of these players are building blocks they are role players. Id like a role player like Batum rather then one like Galo.

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He's a better rebounder than

He's a better rebounder than Batum though. Averaged more rebounds a nd he averaged more steals and blocks this past season. Not bad for a player that plays for a team that doesn't defend very well, rebounding "isn't good" and for a guy who is supposedly so much worse a defender than Batum. Gallinari has 2nd option scoring potential. He's more than the role player Batum is projected to be. He could be an All-Star player. If you think about it, if they were on the same team in the future Batum would be a role player to Gallinari. Providing defense to help change up for Gallinari's superior offensive ability. Kind of like how Peja Stojavic and Doug Christie were back when the Kings were a title contender.

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Batum/Gallo

I'd take Mr. 8888 (his birthday is 8/8/88, gallo)

He's already an elite shooter in the league. Has a knact for scoring, and his offensive game is gonna get even more diverse. I wouldn't go and say he's a slouch on defense either.

Batum reminds me of Pietrus (when he was first drafted & now).. both swingmen, defensive, athletic 3point specialist type of guys. I really don't see Batum being more than that.

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Gallo averaging more rebounds per game means that he grabs more rebounds per game. It does not necessarily mean he is a better rebounder. Just as you say that Gallo is a better shooter despite shooting worse percentages. Many people prefer the stat of rebounding rate. It measures the percentage of rebounds a player gets out of the total available rebounds. Batum is better in regards to that stat. I know a lot of people choose to ignore "advanced stats" but I find them very useful. I do not disregard per game stats but I like seeing how many reb/stl/bs/ast/etc a player gets as a percentage of available reb/stl/bs/ast/etc. Batum's advanced stats are better across the board.

I could speculate that if the two played together it would be like Scottie Pippen and Rashard Lewis playing on the same team. Or I could say it would be like Tayshaun Prince playing with Dirk. That is why I do not like using comparisons of similar players as an argument. One comparison shows that Gallo is better while the other shows that Batum is better. I think it makes more sense to focus on the players themselves rather than who they play like.

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The thing is Batum is not the

The thing is Batum is not the scorer or offensive player Pippen is though. Not even close actually and will never be. That's why that comparison would make no sense. Peja is completely attainable for Gallinari. Batum is never going to be relied on to score more than 14 ppg or so. He's much closer to a Doug Christie type player than a Scottie Pippen type. I just think Gallinari is more talented and I think he'll be more valuable. Batum provides solid defense, but I think the type of scorer Gallinari can be is going to be just a bit more valuable than Batum's defense and shooting.

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Its foolish to say someone

Its foolish to say someone whos 21 in his second season will never average more than 14 a game. First of all he averages over ten points a game while playing in a offense that doesnt use him nearly as much as Gallenari, hes a good three point shooter, good at scoring off lobs, but his role isnt nearly that of Gallenari, i think when he adds some weight, and is more confident attacking the hoop he could be a 20 point scorer in his prime on a bad team, 14 as his ceiling is ridiculous for someone whose 21, shooting over fifty percent from the field, over fourty percent from three, and almost 85 from the free throw line, while only playing 24 minutes a game, coming off a serious injury. He also has shown he has good handles.

I do think Gallenari will have a better offensive career, but Batum should in his prim average around 17, 6, 3, 1.5, & 1.5, with decent percentages, with Gallo around 20, 7, 3, 1, & 1, with lower percentages. Their both about equal in my books, Batum the much better defender, i would take either of them based off of team needs.

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Its foolish to say someone

Its foolish to say someone whos 21 in his second season will never average more than 14 a game. First of all he averages over ten points a game while playing in a offense that doesnt use him nearly as much as Gallenari, hes a good three point shooter, good at scoring off lobs, but his role isnt nearly that of Gallenari, i think when he adds some weight, and is more confident attacking the hoop he could be a 20 point scorer in his prime on a bad team, 14 as his ceiling is ridiculous for someone whose 21, shooting over fifty percent from the field, over fourty percent from three, and almost 85 from the free throw line, while only playing 24 minutes a game, coming off a serious injury. He also has shown he has good handles.

I do think Gallenari will have a better offensive career, but Batum should in his prim average around 17, 6, 3, 1.5, & 1.5, with decent percentages, with Gallo around 20, 7, 3, 1, & 1, with lower percentages. Their both about equal in my books, Batum the much better defender, i would take either of them based off of team needs.

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I agree with you. I've

I agree with you. I've watched majority of Portland's game since 2007 and Batum is a better offensive player than Mr. 6000 is giving him credit for. He's a very good spot up three-point shooter and has no problem putting the ball on the floor. He can shoot the one or two dribble pull up or he can take it to the basket and finish with his length/athleticism. He has a good mid-range game. He moves without the ball very well. He doesn't handle the ball or pass like Pippen, but... He handles the ball well, is a good passer and has very good court vision.

I think he can be more than a 14 point per game scorer, especially when you consider he's averaging 10.1 points while only playing 24.8 minutes right now. He's Portland's 4th option in the starting lineup.

He'll never be as good as Gallinari offensively, but Gallinari will never be as good or versatile as Batum defensively.

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tezo

"He'll never be as good as Gallinari offensively, but Gallinari will never be as good or versatile as Batum defensively."

ditto

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My whole point with the Pippen comparison was that those comparisons are dumb. I chose players that Gallo and Batum are often compared to and then compared those players. It doesn't make sense to do that. I was saying that we should just compare Gallo and Batum. Peja, Christie, and Pippen have nothing to do with this. Its fine to say that someone is stylistically similar to another player but it holds no ground as an argument for one player over another.

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