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Andrew Luck or RG3?


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Luck

Just my opinion, feel he is incredibly strong and cerebral. Not that RG3 lacks those qualities, he has incredible speed and displayed excellent accuracy, but I think Luck is the real deal. They are both great kids and I do not think I have seen anyone give a better interview than Robert Griffin III, but I feel that Luck is the pick and will probably be the right one. Luck had incredibly similar stats to Newton athletically, not to mention a good bunch of weight that RG3 lacks. Like those odds for durabilities sake.

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RG3

Is the best player in the draft. Luck is cool with the medias love affair Mannings so he is dubbed cant miss. I disagree. I just don't see Luck being better than Robert. RG3 is the better passer and athelete.

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RG3 I saw luck play in

RG3

I saw luck play in Pullman Washington to a cougs team that had no business being on the field with him an yet he didn't impress.

That pick 6 va USC was BAD even though they still won ye game.

The nfl is changing and I like what rg3 brings to the table

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okay

I'll take Andrew Luck and it's not really close to me.

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I'm with Luck as well. MikeyV

I'm with Luck as well. MikeyV brought up a good point. Even if both are reasonably equal on talent level, I'm taking the guy whose style will hold up longer. Plus people overlook Lucks athleticism. The dude is actually mobile for a pocket passer. Plus I feel like he is more of a cant miss prospect (barring injury), and the Colts need that more than anything else.

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Luck. He is a true Super Bowl

Luck. He is a true Super Bowl type player who can make a team a contender in time. He has a strong enough arm, he's deadly accurate, he can read a defense, he is a REAL underrated athlete and he is real good with intermediate throws. Griffin is a crazy athlete and he throws as and as good a deep ball as you'll find in a young QB, and he is great in the shotgun, but he is kinda slim for a QB and has a less developed ability to read a defense than Luck. It will be close, and Griffin will be really fun to watch, but I like Luck just a little more.

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Luck

RG3 is your high risk/high reward guy but as a gm you cant pass up Luck. couple years from now if Luck is everything everyone says he'll be and you passed him up, ur goin to be looking for a new job. i really like RG3 and think he could potentially be better. but i would say play it safe.

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What's NFL?

What's NFL?

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They will both be good

They will both be good players, but Luck is better. He's played in a pro system, hasn't had elite weapons that weren't TE's, he's accurate, makes great decsions, he's also very athletic and he had great size. The only thing Luck lacks is velocity on his intermediate throws and he sails his deep ball too often.

Griffin is a standout athlete, who is also very accurate with a stronger arm, but he doesn't have any pro system experience and I could see him making more questionable decisons at the next level when he has to read a defense instead of dumping it to the first guy he sees with a 4-5 WR set. He also has slight injury concerns and is a tad bit short.

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Colts fans

Around Indy, the general consensus is that Luck is, and always has been, the obvious choice and simply the more polished, more talented, if less exciting, player.

I certainly would not mind the Colts picking Griffin, but, at the end of the day, Luck is the one who is the most cerebral QB prospect in years and can bring this team back to excellence. You say he wasn't impressive in college, but he wasn't ASKED to be. It wasn't the way his offense worked. It was a West Coast-style and so he didn't get outrageous game or season stats.

Griffin is exciting, but Luck is the guy who you kinda have to take, and I have no doubt that that is the direction the Colts are headed right now.

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Griffin is not exciting because he is black. He is cerebral fool

You assume more cerebral all the time. Luck is a real good runner. More proven than Griffin. Griffin is the proven passer.

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The black guys brain is questioned.

They did it with Cam Newton. He was smart broke Mannings rookie passing record too. Poor assumptions. The white guy is smart and this and that.Black QB -runner exciting/ White QB-smart leader. Why?

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I questioned Cam Newton

I questioned Cam Newton because his accuracy was about average, his footwork was awful and he never read a defense at all.

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I knew Cam Newton was gonna

I knew Cam Newton was gonna be fine. He was a good passer all along, even in HS I got to watch him play and he was a passer 1st and runner 2nd. Even at Auburn his throws were on the money, his receivers dropped alot of his passes. He's always been an underrated passer

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I Think RG3 is the real deal, he's the total package

I think Andrew Luck is the fraud QB in the Draft...

RG3 is actually a smarter QB than Luck and by a mile, Luck looks like all hype, much like Jake Locker was...

I think The Best QB is unquestionably RG3, The Colts just want a White Boy calling the Plays, I'm not a racist but I can see it for what it is...Robert Griffen III proved everybody wrong last year and he'll do the same in The NFL...I see a lot of Brees and Vick in his game, He has Brees' vision and arm strenght but he's got Micheal Vick speed and athletism...

Luck looks like a Damm Rock out there, he's a lot less mobile than One too...

And to question RG3's health when Luck played with a Knee brace the entire season makes me wonder what the hell you guys were watching...

Luck screams INJURY CONCERNS...He's a slow footed QB take will not out run LB's and Linemen in ThE NFL...

I could go on and on about this but I'll wait until Next Season to prove myself correct...

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"Luck looks like a Damm Rock

"Luck looks like a Damm Rock out there, he's a lot less mobile than One too...

And to question RG3's health when Luck played with a Knee brace the entire season makes me wonder what the hell you guys were watching...

Luck screams INJURY CONCERNS...He's a slow footed QB take will not out run LB's and Linemen in ThE NFL..."

Umm what? Andrew Luck runs a legit 4.6 and is very athletic, he's not slow at all and he is excellent at moving around in the pocket and he is a great scrambler when needed. Luck is 6'4 235 and to my knowledge has never had a significant injury, so how is he an injury concern? His frame is basically perfect and he loves delivering punishment rather then taking it. Again, he's not slow footed in the slightest, he's very athletic for a QB. His only weakness is velocity and arm strength, and it's not a huge deal.

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Scarecrow what are you talking about? Luck is mobile & a athlete
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Luck is like Aaron Rodgers when it comes to mobility. He is clearly a pass first QB and uses his athleticism to elude pass rushers and find the open reciever, but he is willing and able to scramble when he sees an oppurtunity. He will run for around 300 yards every year and anywhere from 3-5 td's.In fact he ran for 707 yards the past 2 seasons at Stanford and that is with sacks counting as loss of rushing yards. I love RG3 and think he will be great, but I like Luck more. I can see the agrument for RG3, but to say Luck is a fraud, not mobile, slow footed, etc, is just asinine.

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Those Video's prove what Again???

Besides showcasing Luck's Knee brace, he did all that against College Competition, so what are expecting to prove, UCLA, Cal and USC were not that good last year, Usc might have gotten hot late but really South Carolina was his toughest test, what did he do in That game again???...

The fact is Luck will not out run Line Backers and Defensive Linemen, let alone DB's and Safeties...He will be deliverin any punishment either, don't know how you got that he'll be bowling over Defenders in THE NFL, LOL...

I will not debate this with you anymore, I'll let the grow ass men in THE NFL do that for me, but In your mind obviously Luck will be steam rolling over Ray Lewis and James Harrison next season...And I'll size up Luck's superbowl rings while we are talking about him being The Next Big thing...

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Besides showcasing Luck's

Besides showcasing Luck's Knee brace, he did all that against College Competition, so what are expecting to prove, UCLA, Cal and USC were not that good last year, Usc might have gotten hot late but really South Carolina was his toughest test, what did he do in That game again???...

He never played south carolina. If you mean South California (USC) he completed 29/40 for 330 yards 3 td's and 1 int and won the game. Is that supposed to be a bad game?

What is wrong with wearing a knee brace? Because he wears a knee brace he automatically is a slow white guy who can not move?

The fact is Luck will not out run Line Backers and Defensive Linemen, let alone DB's and Safeties...

He will out run most defensive line men. He runs a 4'6 40. Besides no one is saying he will outrun people. That is not his game. He is a pass first guy, but you said he was a rock and could not move. The fact is you were not even close to being right.

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Gotta say Luck

because when you look at even his highschool highlights he has NFL footwork. But I have never seen anyone have better pitch and catch long balls than RG3. He should do commercials throwing footballs in the trunks of pick up trucks on the freeway.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8zEfRimO44

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@ The Scare Crow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtNHuqHWefU

Stick to basketball, buddy.

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I will not debate this with

I will not debate this with you anymore

Well tough because I am not done.

In case you still think Luck is some slow, not mobile, unathletic white guy ( you brought race into this, not me)

  • Luck had the 4th fastest 40 yard dash among QB's at the combine this year
  • 4th in vertical jump
  • 1st in broad jump
  • 3rd in 3 cone drill
  • 5th in 20 yard shuffle

Fact is he is an athlete so everything you found fault with him is wrong.

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Why, I'm sorry I thought Stanford played against an SEC team

I thought he played against South Carolina last year, I have a foggy memory when it comes to placing Teams in College...IDC...

My point has been made and I'll stick with my prediction that RG3 will be a better Pro QB than Luck, to all the haters and dickriders that negged me, go dig the hand out of your asses you puppets...

Any time someone has a opinion that differs from The Masses they get Negged and shyt talked about them...

I'm tired of most of the Brain Dead posters on This Site...Let me clarify things...After The 2012 Draft (which I'll be following a lot less through this Site) I'll be done with this forum completly, anyone who I'm cool with can just talk Basketball with me on My Facebook Page...

I doubt Nbadraftnet will miss me But good luck finding better/more interesting Posters in the Future...

I'm sure Proud Grandpa and Euroballer can keep you guys coming back for years...

The Late Night crew was Great, now I barely see them Post anymore, No Money and McDunkin owned this site along with OJJ and DanEboy

The Best basketball Posters are Jorrye Nixon and Micheal Visenberg...

Everyone else sucks To Be Perfectly Honest...Indiana Basketball is and was a completly overrated Poster...Go have a circle jerk with Eric Gordon and Greg Oden....

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My point has been made and

My point has been made and I'll stick with my prediction that RG3 will be a better Pro QB than Luck, to all the haters and dickriders that negged me, go dig the hand out of your asses you puppets...

If you had just said that then I would not have had such a problem with it. You pretty much just came out and said Luck sucks. You called him a fraud and not mobile, etc. The fact is he will be one of the more mobile QB's in the league. You said he is an injury waiting to happen when he has never suffered any serious injury. Fact is RG3 has torn his acl. Thats a more serious of an injury then an bumps or bruises Luck has had. Although is it clear RG3 fully recovered from his injury. Luck's weakness is his arm strength and thats not even a weakness. His arm is good, but not elite. Thats the only knock against him, not his mobility. I would have respected your opinion if you had just said you believe RG3 will be better.

I'm tired of most of the Brain Dead posters on This Site

Buddy you are one of them

I doubt Nbadraftnet will miss me But good luck finding better/more interesting Posters in the Future

We wont miss you. More interesting? What makes you interesting? Calling people out, talking down to people, name calling, and just being an a$$hole isnt interesting.

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@The Scare Crow

No, you got negged because your expanations made no sense. I think there's a possibility that RG3 will be better but when you say things like RG3 is smarter than Luck by a mile when Luck's majoring in architectual design at Stanford (one of the most prestigious schools in the country) and has great football acumen, or say that Luck is less mobile than a rock when he tested out as one of the best athletes in the draft with a 4.6 40, that's when you get negged. And who cares about being negged anyways? I've seen people that sweep through all my comments and give me a nice -1 on like my 10 most recent ones and it doesn't bother me at all.

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haha what a tool.

haha what a tool.

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People like to look at Andrew

People like to look at Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin as the ideal Black vs White quarterback debate. People dont say it like that but people tend to stereotype that Luck is just a passer and that Griffin is a run first quarterback when that is not true.

Griffin is ridiculously fast but he is not a scrambling quarterback he doesnt have vick like agility or cam newtons strength. He will be able to extend plays with his legs but teams wont and shouldnt build running plays for him like a Vince Young, Newton or Vick. Griffins number one attribute to me isnt his athleticism its his accuracy. I give him the nod over Luck in accuracy and for good reasons. Griffin had a ridiculously high completion percentage last year and it wasnt an offence with a lot of check down throws he really aired it out. The only question mark with him is how he will adjust to pro style offenses. We arent saying he isnt capable as he is extremely smart its just a bunch of other things he will need to learn and he isnt as ready to start now as Luck.

Luck some look at as an ideal pocket passer which he is. People also forget that this guy is a superb athlete. He ran a 4.59 40 yard dash which when you compare it to other athletic quarterbacks like Newton(4.53), Rodgers(4.71), Vince Young(4.58) and Tim Tebow(4.71) and Tavaris Jackson(4.74) it looks really nice. He is also very big and strong and will be hard to take down. He is also really accurate not as accurate as Griffin in my opinion but nonetheless very good. He has a big arm and can make any throw. His biggest strength is his intellect. Luck is a great decision maker and has been playing a pro style offense for years now.

Right now they are tied to me and depending on who i should pick would really depend on who fits where best.

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Luck

The "more athletic" Peyton Manning comparisons seem accurate.

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USC is probably going to be

USC is probably going to be the preseason #1 team in the country and even with getting hot late still only lost twice all year and one of them was in 3 OT. USC was certainly a good football team last season. Like nbanflguy said, no one disagrees that Griffin will be a good QB and if you pick him over Luck, that's perfectly fine. It's the fact you said Luck is slow and an injury waiting to happen that got people to disagree because they were incorrect statements.

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LOL this guy compared Luck to

LOL this guy compared Luck to Locker. STOPPP

Luck and Locker both were high upside players that returned for college. Difference was though: Luck was a heisman finalist 2 years in a row and a succesful and very good college player while Locker was a massive underachiver that struggled to complete half his passes and who lost more then he won. Does anyone remember his 4/20 game against Nebraska. The best part is that Locker actually looked real good in his 3 starts in the NFL.

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lol

Did Scarecrow just pull out the first "He's not going to be a good QB because he is WHITE" in history?

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"I doubt Nbadraftnet will

"I doubt Nbadraftnet will miss me But good luck finding better/more interesting Posters in the Future...

I'm sure Proud Grandpa and Euroballer can keep you guys coming back for years...

The Late Night crew was Great, now I barely see them Post anymore, No Money and McDunkin owned this site along with OJJ and DanEboy

The Best basketball Posters are Jorrye Nixon and Micheal Visenberg...

Everyone else sucks To Be Perfectly Honest...Indiana Basketball is and was a completly overrated Poster...Go have a circle jerk with Eric Gordon and Greg Oden...." - Scare Crow

Over the past month, we've seen WAY too much of this! Not from you, but just in general. What is going on with these forums nowadays? Scare Crow, you're my boy. You're from Philly and have the same passion all Philly fans have. I was rooting for you when you were -1000 and was glad to see you get back into positive points! A lot of people like your opinions/trade scenario/off topic stuff.

With that being said, the sensitivity in this topic is TOO DAMN HIGH! C'mon bro, just let it go. There is no need to go out and bash this site. We've got some great new people contributing to the forums (Paradigm, Aamir, etc). McDunkin is still as funny as ever. MikeyV still knowledgable. IndianaBasketball still holding it down. Leroy, YupYup, Wizkid are all classics and still great. Hell, NBAnflyguy is emerging as the new kid with GIFs around here. We got a nice mix of basketball and fun so there was no need to go HAM like that at the end.

I guess it's your decision if you want to "leave" after the draft is done but truthfully man, it's just being blown outta proportion. I'd hate to see you go out like that bro.

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"Everyone else sucks To Be Perfectly Honest"

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Well why did I get negged?

I know what I am talking about. RG3 reads Defenses and has more props in the Pocket. I said Luck is a more accomplished runner but not better athelete wich is true. Luck likes to deliver the shots well in the NFL son better learn to slide believe that. Luck will be a good Pro no doubt. RG3 BETTER.

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Griffin is talented but will

Griffin is talented but will have a horrible year because he was no receivers not sure how well he will utilize the tight ends but Luck obviously a way better prospect

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This is like the Tim Duncan

This is like the Tim Duncan Keith Van Horn debate if you would take Griffin you should not watch sports or gamble

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Griffin is talented but will

Griffin is talented but will have a horrible year because he was no receivers not sure how well he will utilize the tight ends but Luck obviously a way better prospect

I wouldnt say horrible recievers. He should have an all right year.

Santana Moss is still pretty decent Jabar Gaffney is solid, and they have one of the best pair of tight ends in the league in Fred Davis and Chris Cooley. Roy Helu and Tim Hightower are good at catching the ball out of the backfield. Definatly not great talent, but not horrible either. RG3 should be fine this year.

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Redskins have the 2nd worst

Redskins have the 2nd worst in the league after Cleveland, it is the NFl everyone has talent. New England way better and baltimore a little better at tight end I think

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New Orleans better too at TE

New Orleans better too at TE of course forgot them

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New Orleans better too at TE

New Orleans better too at TE of course forgot them

Yeah Jimmy Graham is a beast and better than Davis and Cooley, but I was saying pair of tight ends. New Orleans has Jimmy Graham and the 11 catch blocking tightend Jed Collins.

Tight ends are really good security blankets for young QB's and RG3 will have 2 very solid recieving tight ends to play with.

New England way better and baltimore a little better at tight end I think

Yeah New England has by far the best pair of TE's in Gronkowski and Hernandez. Dickson and Pitta are very good in Baltimore to, but I would still rather have Davis and Cooley.

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I would pick RG3 for multiple

I would pick RG3 for multiple reasons. One, he is an extremely exciting player to watch. For a Washington team that hasn't been good to watch for a number of years, HE will put fans in the stands. Two, he is a big play guy. His deep ball is one of his best assets and hopefully him and Moss develop the same chemistry Newton and Steve Smith did. The rookie QB - veteran WR combo works well. Three, He looks to pass first but when his blocking breaks down, which will undoubtedly happen a lot this year, he has the acceleration to burst from the pocket and pick up at bare minimum 5 yards per carry with the possibility of breaking off a 20 yard run.

Luck is going to be a pro bowl quarterback, that I have no doubt in. He will no doubt raise the level of his teammates to perform better and make his receivers look like all stars, don't forget Wayne will still be there. My problem with him is that although he is one of the more athletic players in the draft, he starts out slow and finishes with speed. He doesn't quite have the acceleration to get out of jam in the pocket and run for 20 yards. My guess is that he will also try to stay in bounds for his early years trying to fight for extra yards where he'll get punished by some safeties and LB's. In terms of being a passer, I like what an NFL analyist said. He doesn't have an elite arm like.... Well like Jamarcus Russel, but look where that got him. Luck may not be able to rifle the ball into a small window of space but he can make just about any throw you want him too, and that is what is going to make him a pro bowl player.

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Santana Moss is still pretty

Santana Moss is still pretty decent Jabar Gaffney is solid, and they have one of the best pair of tight ends in the league in Fred Davis and Chris Cooley. Roy Helu and Tim Hightower are good at catching the ball out of the backfield. Definatly not great talent, but not horrible either. RG3 should be fine this year.

I forgot they signed Garcon and Josh Morgan to. So yeah they are not great, but this is not a bad offense. RG3 fits the Redskins system really well also. He should have a good rookie year.

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