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  • #26368
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    mikeyvthedon
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     Lazy Sunday, it is snowing and I do not feel like going outside. So, I am watching the NFL Draft Combine. Cam Newton just ran a 4.58 unofficial 40. For his size, that is awesome, especially considering that Pat White (Not very tall QB, amazing athlete) ran a 4.55. Saw that AJ Green jumped 34.5 first jump, Julio Jones 38.5 second jump. Tyrod Taylor ran a 4.52 unofficially, same as Jake Locker. They are saying Locker is incredibly likely to go in round 1. They love the way Ryan Mallett throws, but he has raised a number of character issues NFL Network is reporting. Jacquizz Rodgers was measured 5’5 and change! He is still going to be a baller, but man, he is short. Hearing he is round 3-4. Newton looks pretty amazing running honestly, and at 6’5 248, he has all the physical tools you want in a QB. It is just about whether he is able to find receivers under NFL pressure.  Fairley measured in at about 6’3 and 291, whereas Dareus from Alabama is 28 pounds more at the same height. We will have to see how they run if it splits them apart, but supposedly the weight may make Fairley slip a bit. Well, if I find more little info on the combine, I will keep y’all posted. 

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  • #501572
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    11’3 broad jump (measures his explosion with his legs) and 4.39 40! Has ran faster, jumped higher and jumped further than AJ Green. I still like AJ, but no doubt Julio is opening eyes. Both of them might be top 15, and Julio was thought to be a lock to the Rams at 14, but he might go even higher now. To put the jump in perspective, the NFL combine record was 11’5 and it was half a foot more than anyone the year before. Julio’s measurements: 4.39 40, 38.5 vert (Though I have heard higher) and 11’3 broad jump, AJ’s: 4.48, 34.5 (Which is solid, but might not be official either) and 10’6. AJ has just always been the more productive of the two, is slightly bigger as well. Both are great prospects at the WR and while I do not think Julio moves ahead of AJ Green, he solidifies his position as a big WR prospect. Washington at 10? Possibly, I know they are talking QB there, but Newton probably does not last, and Gabbert may be gone too. Washington is in desperate need of a new WR, Julio might fit the bill perfectly. NFL Network is calling Julio the MVP of the combine, plus he is not just a workout warrior as he produced on the field at a very high level.

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  • #501661
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    11’3 broad jump (measures his explosion with his legs) and 4.39 40! Has ran faster, jumped higher and jumped further than AJ Green. I still like AJ, but no doubt Julio is opening eyes. Both of them might be top 15, and Julio was thought to be a lock to the Rams at 14, but he might go even higher now. To put the jump in perspective, the NFL combine record was 11’5 and it was half a foot more than anyone the year before. Julio’s measurements: 4.39 40, 38.5 vert (Though I have heard higher) and 11’3 broad jump, AJ’s: 4.48, 34.5 (Which is solid, but might not be official either) and 10’6. AJ has just always been the more productive of the two, is slightly bigger as well. Both are great prospects at the WR and while I do not think Julio moves ahead of AJ Green, he solidifies his position as a big WR prospect. Washington at 10? Possibly, I know they are talking QB there, but Newton probably does not last, and Gabbert may be gone too. Washington is in desperate need of a new WR, Julio might fit the bill perfectly. NFL Network is calling Julio the MVP of the combine, plus he is not just a workout warrior as he produced on the field at a very high level.

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    That boy Tyron Smith from USC is a BEAST! He’s ripped for an O-Lineman. If you saw him at first glance, you might think he’s a big linebacker. And even though he played at 285 during the season, he gained more then 20 pounds of muscle and measured in at 307 at the combine. and his arms measured in at 36 3/8 inches, which is really insane. And he shut down Cam Jordan during the season. It would be my dream scenario if he fell to the 2nd round when my Redskins pick, even though that’s a pipedream.

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  • #501665
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    That boy Tyron Smith from USC is a BEAST! He’s ripped for an O-Lineman. If you saw him at first glance, you might think he’s a big linebacker. And even though he played at 285 during the season, he gained more then 20 pounds of muscle and measured in at 307 at the combine. and his arms measured in at 36 3/8 inches, which is really insane. And he shut down Cam Jordan during the season. It would be my dream scenario if he fell to the 2nd round when my Redskins pick, even though that’s a pipedream.

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  • #501584
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    I’ve said it since the season. I think Julio Jones is a better prospect then A.J. Greeen. First of all, Green was always his QB’s 1st read, whereas Jones was sometimes the 2nd or even 3rd read for the QB, and stll put up big numbers. And Jones measured out taller then I thought, eve though there’s a chance the combine mismeasured. He measured in at 6’3", but when he stood next to Patrick Peterson, they looked the same height. I looks closer to 6’1" then he does 6’4".The bad thing about Jnes is his incosistency with his hands.

    But Jones is faster and stronger than A.J. And I think that A.J. might be prone to injuries in the NFL because of his slight frame.

    I’m not sure if I want the Redskins to draft a WR in the 1st though. We already have a better-than-average group, so it isn’t our top priority, and we have many other needs at other positions. Satana Moss has been a pretty good #1, Anthony Armstrong had a breakout season, and we still have hope in Malcolm Kelly. I think Jones will be a great player in the NFL, but I don’t think we should use are 1st on him because we have so many other needs.

    If Blaine Gabbert falls to #10, I definitely want him.

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  • #501674
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    I’ve said it since the season. I think Julio Jones is a better prospect then A.J. Greeen. First of all, Green was always his QB’s 1st read, whereas Jones was sometimes the 2nd or even 3rd read for the QB, and stll put up big numbers. And Jones measured out taller then I thought, eve though there’s a chance the combine mismeasured. He measured in at 6’3", but when he stood next to Patrick Peterson, they looked the same height. I looks closer to 6’1" then he does 6’4".The bad thing about Jnes is his incosistency with his hands.

    But Jones is faster and stronger than A.J. And I think that A.J. might be prone to injuries in the NFL because of his slight frame.

    I’m not sure if I want the Redskins to draft a WR in the 1st though. We already have a better-than-average group, so it isn’t our top priority, and we have many other needs at other positions. Satana Moss has been a pretty good #1, Anthony Armstrong had a breakout season, and we still have hope in Malcolm Kelly. I think Jones will be a great player in the NFL, but I don’t think we should use are 1st on him because we have so many other needs.

    If Blaine Gabbert falls to #10, I definitely want him.

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  • #501629
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    Dale Worthington
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    LOL at the tards who were saying Locker runs a 4.3.

    I know Locker’s supporting cast was garbo this year but he was truly terrible.

    Could not complete a pass and had a tendency to lock on to receivers and the sideline.

    Did Julio Jones really run a 4.39?!?!? HOLY MOLY!

    Blaine Gabbert has major bust potential btw.

    Came out of the most gimmicky offense ever where he rarely had more than 1 read and he still put up lackluster stats this year.

    I would not want him if I were you. Yeah, I know he’s big and has an amazing arm, but that really isn’t enough.

    Brose, check out walterfootball.com. Best resource for the draft.

    What the fruit?!?!? WF crashed again. Goddammit.

    mockingthedraft.com is good too.

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  • #501721
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    Dale Worthington
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    LOL at the tards who were saying Locker runs a 4.3.

    I know Locker’s supporting cast was garbo this year but he was truly terrible.

    Could not complete a pass and had a tendency to lock on to receivers and the sideline.

    Did Julio Jones really run a 4.39?!?!? HOLY MOLY!

    Blaine Gabbert has major bust potential btw.

    Came out of the most gimmicky offense ever where he rarely had more than 1 read and he still put up lackluster stats this year.

    I would not want him if I were you. Yeah, I know he’s big and has an amazing arm, but that really isn’t enough.

    Brose, check out walterfootball.com. Best resource for the draft.

    What the fruit?!?!? WF crashed again. Goddammit.

    mockingthedraft.com is good too.

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  • #502168
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    Yeah, I am not sure about Gabbert either, but I have not seen a lot of him. Honestly, I was big on Locker early in his career, as a freshman he was just an incredible athlete. He ran a 4.59, but the NFL Network thought it was 4.52. Either way, he may be no where near a 4.3, but he is an upper echelon athlete and I think all in all is probably faster than Newton in most circumstances. The problem with Locker is, he has proven nothing. His team was not great, but it was nowhere as bad as people thought it was. Polk actually turned into a legit RB, and Locker had some receivers on that team. He is just wildly inaccurate, and people say he needs to work on his mechanics big time. He has a monster arm though, and his athleticism is real for a QB. I say he goes in the first round and someone works with him, but it is tough to say whether he will ever get it together, because he never did in 4 years of college. I refer to Andrew Luck as "Jake Locker, except he actually has done something". Luck is probably not even close to the athlete Jake Locker is, but he is a strong athlete and an exponentially better QB. Luck’s freshman year was better than any of Locker’s 4 years, and last year he was a total beast. I think he would have been the hands down first pick this year and is the favorite for next year as well, though their is never any certainty. Matt Barkley is also a definite candidate for that spot, and I am sure more will emerge. When LaMichael James runs a 4.18 at the combine, people will take him super seriously 🙂 (I hope he runs a sub 4.5, but his speed is real whatever he runs. Quizz ran in the mid-high 4.6’s, but whoever does not think that guy can run is making a mistake).

    Also, he is from my hate arch-rival school, but I have give a shout-out to Stephen Paea. Dude benched 225-lbs 49 times, breaking the previous combine record by 4. Bench is not the end all be all, but benching anything that many times is incredibly impressive: http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/02/27/paea-shatters-combine-bench-press-mark/?module=HP_cp2

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    Yeah, I am not sure about Gabbert either, but I have not seen a lot of him. Honestly, I was big on Locker early in his career, as a freshman he was just an incredible athlete. He ran a 4.59, but the NFL Network thought it was 4.52. Either way, he may be no where near a 4.3, but he is an upper echelon athlete and I think all in all is probably faster than Newton in most circumstances. The problem with Locker is, he has proven nothing. His team was not great, but it was nowhere as bad as people thought it was. Polk actually turned into a legit RB, and Locker had some receivers on that team. He is just wildly inaccurate, and people say he needs to work on his mechanics big time. He has a monster arm though, and his athleticism is real for a QB. I say he goes in the first round and someone works with him, but it is tough to say whether he will ever get it together, because he never did in 4 years of college. I refer to Andrew Luck as "Jake Locker, except he actually has done something". Luck is probably not even close to the athlete Jake Locker is, but he is a strong athlete and an exponentially better QB. Luck’s freshman year was better than any of Locker’s 4 years, and last year he was a total beast. I think he would have been the hands down first pick this year and is the favorite for next year as well, though their is never any certainty. Matt Barkley is also a definite candidate for that spot, and I am sure more will emerge. When LaMichael James runs a 4.18 at the combine, people will take him super seriously 🙂 (I hope he runs a sub 4.5, but his speed is real whatever he runs. Quizz ran in the mid-high 4.6’s, but whoever does not think that guy can run is making a mistake).

    Also, he is from my hate arch-rival school, but I have give a shout-out to Stephen Paea. Dude benched 225-lbs 49 times, breaking the previous combine record by 4. Bench is not the end all be all, but benching anything that many times is incredibly impressive: http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/02/27/paea-shatters-combine-bench-press-mark/?module=HP_cp2

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  • #502664
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    Dale Worthington
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    The 4.65 40 or whatever it was for Quizz makes no sense to me.

    He must have had a horrible start out of the box or been running hurt or something.

    I’ve seen him play a handful of times and he can definitely run.

    For me, personally, a better than expected 40 time helps a guy’s stock, but a worse than expected 40 time has no effect.

    I know Quizz is fast so one or two bad 40 times doesn’t change my opinion of him.

    However when  Julio Jones drops a sub-4.4 at his size then his stock goes up in my book.

    You smell me…

    A guy who displays strong speed over years and suddenly has a poor showing one afternoon doesn’t matter to me. I chalk it up as an anomaly.

    But a guy who displays good speed over years and suddenly has an excellent showing tells me he’s probably faster than he was. You don’t accidentally run a 4.39 40.

    However, inuries, nervousness, or a lingering injury can cause you to run a poor 40 that isn’t indicative of your true speed.

    I hope this makes sense cuz I’m having some trouble articualting what I’m trying to say.

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    Dale Worthington
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    The 4.65 40 or whatever it was for Quizz makes no sense to me.

    He must have had a horrible start out of the box or been running hurt or something.

    I’ve seen him play a handful of times and he can definitely run.

    For me, personally, a better than expected 40 time helps a guy’s stock, but a worse than expected 40 time has no effect.

    I know Quizz is fast so one or two bad 40 times doesn’t change my opinion of him.

    However when  Julio Jones drops a sub-4.4 at his size then his stock goes up in my book.

    You smell me…

    A guy who displays strong speed over years and suddenly has a poor showing one afternoon doesn’t matter to me. I chalk it up as an anomaly.

    But a guy who displays good speed over years and suddenly has an excellent showing tells me he’s probably faster than he was. You don’t accidentally run a 4.39 40.

    However, inuries, nervousness, or a lingering injury can cause you to run a poor 40 that isn’t indicative of your true speed.

    I hope this makes sense cuz I’m having some trouble articualting what I’m trying to say.

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    I sort of get you, lol. I am starting to think the 40 is not necessarily indicative of how fast a player is considered. For home run ability, it is probably important you are faster than anyone else. But, Quizz was never a home run guy, he was a guy who could just grind it out and make consistent gains. You would rather have a guy like that over a guy who might make a couple big plays but consistently gets you nothing otherwise. So many things matter, offensive line, lateral quickness and most importantly, instinct. They were listing that a bunch of the top runners this year ran sub 4.5’s, Chris Johnson, Adrian Peterson, Michael Turner, Rashard Mendenhall, Maurice Jones-Drew and so on. But, Arian Foster ran a 4.69, but he plays with arguably the best WR in the game and a lot of offensive weapons. He may be the exception to the rule, but I do not think you NEED to run a sub 4.6 to be a good running back. It helps, but their is a lot more to it.

    Look at CJ Spiller this past year, he ran sub 4.4 and did next to nothing. LeGarrette Blount was probably in the high 4.7’s and lead all rookies in rushing (albeit, the guy is a BUS). Wasn’t Reggie Bush’s speed supposed to make him an elite RB? You never know, I guess that is always what makes 40’s so interesting, to see whether a players athleticism will make them elite or not, or whether a player will prove the numbers wrong. One thing I know is that Anquan Boldin ran in the 4.7’s, and he has been one of the most consistent wideouts in the league. 40 times are not the end all be all, and many times give you false hope in a players capabilities. Mark Ingram is more than likely never going to be an RB with breakaway speed, but I think we already knew that. But, he still has a chance to be a really solid RB because of what he brings to the table. 4.63 aside, he will be fine.

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    I sort of get you, lol. I am starting to think the 40 is not necessarily indicative of how fast a player is considered. For home run ability, it is probably important you are faster than anyone else. But, Quizz was never a home run guy, he was a guy who could just grind it out and make consistent gains. You would rather have a guy like that over a guy who might make a couple big plays but consistently gets you nothing otherwise. So many things matter, offensive line, lateral quickness and most importantly, instinct. They were listing that a bunch of the top runners this year ran sub 4.5’s, Chris Johnson, Adrian Peterson, Michael Turner, Rashard Mendenhall, Maurice Jones-Drew and so on. But, Arian Foster ran a 4.69, but he plays with arguably the best WR in the game and a lot of offensive weapons. He may be the exception to the rule, but I do not think you NEED to run a sub 4.6 to be a good running back. It helps, but their is a lot more to it.

    Look at CJ Spiller this past year, he ran sub 4.4 and did next to nothing. LeGarrette Blount was probably in the high 4.7’s and lead all rookies in rushing (albeit, the guy is a BUS). Wasn’t Reggie Bush’s speed supposed to make him an elite RB? You never know, I guess that is always what makes 40’s so interesting, to see whether a players athleticism will make them elite or not, or whether a player will prove the numbers wrong. One thing I know is that Anquan Boldin ran in the 4.7’s, and he has been one of the most consistent wideouts in the league. 40 times are not the end all be all, and many times give you false hope in a players capabilities. Mark Ingram is more than likely never going to be an RB with breakaway speed, but I think we already knew that. But, he still has a chance to be a really solid RB because of what he brings to the table. 4.63 aside, he will be fine.

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  • #503172
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    Few Notes:

    Patrick Peterson runs a 4.34 at 219 pounds. Insane.

    That guy who got 49 reps was crazy on the bench.

    Quizz Rodgers weighed in at 196 which is huge for about 5’6. He doesn’t have great top end speed, but that isn’t his game. He has always been more quick and agile then fast.

    Newton looked pretty bad throwing, is fast, but many said he would run a 4.4. Mallett threw great. Gabbert showed he is pretty quick with a 4.62.

    AJ Green is far better then Julio Jones as a WR. Julio is a phenomenal athlete and Green is above average but after that it’s not very close. AJ’s ball skills are so much better then Julio’s and his hands are incredible. When the ball is in the air AJ is going to make a play and Julio is just so inconsistent. Anyone who thought Green and Jones were about the same level athletes didn’t know too much about theem. There is a reason people say Green is the best WR to come out since Megatron.

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