New Player Comparisons
Some that are a little different.
Jabari Parker - Larry Johnson
Joel Embiid - Serge Ibaka
Andrew Wiggins - Dominique Wilkins
Marcus Smart - Jeremy Lin
Dante Exum - Tyreke Evans
Noah Vonleh - Lamarcus Aldridge
Julius Randle - Kevin Love (minus great 3 point shot)
Rodney Hood - Ersan Ilyasova
Gary Harris - Eric Gordon
Doug McDermott - Dirk Nowitzki (Shorter and thus, easier to guard)
lol thats horrible. the Vonleh comparison and possibly the Embiid comparison i could see,but the rest are jus flat out bad.
Im guessing you think that every player in the draft will be a hall of fame player? Lets here your comparisons if mine are so comical.
I like the comparisons for Wiggins and Jabari Parker.
Wilkins was a great athlete, awesome dunker (off two feet), and a volume scorer with pretty good range. You could say the same thing about Wiggins -- even him dunking off two feet.
You would think that a prime Larry Johnson would be more athletic than Jabari, but Jabari can get up. He can dunk and even take it coast to coast and finish with an emphatic slam. LJ had range, with Jabari having even more range. Veteran LJ was good in the post. Jabari is solid and can get even better. LJ was a better rebounder, but Jabari is ok (especially for a small forward). Neither are known for their defense.
Jabari Parker is built like Mark Aguirre but I never watched him in college, or even his prime. Doug McDermott also has a similar build. Dougie is closer to Aguirre's size than Dirk which is all I know.
I can't think of a great Marcus Smart comparison. He's just a different kind of player. I want to compare him to one of those Knicks guards from the 80's like Michael Ray Richardson but I never saw him play.
I can see the Embiid/Ibaka comparisons. Both are great athletes who can dunk, block, shots, and run the floor. Both are working on their shots too. Embiid also looks like a shorter version of Ralph Sampson.
Julius Randle has basically been compared to every power forward in the past 30 years. lol
... I think Willie Cauley-Stein can be a Tyson Chandler type center. Really long, skinny but a good athlete. He can block shots and go over the top for alley-oop dunks.
Rodney Hood is a guy that you hope turns into an awesome fourth option. A guy who can defend, dunk, shoot 3's and play either forward spot. Like Robert Horry or somebody. But, I am not sure that Hood has the defense or size of a Robert Horry. Hood might be closer to a Shawne Williams.
I'm assuming that the Marcus Smart comp is what people are hating on. I guess the McDermott one is bad too but if people have watched him play, he looks exactly like a small Dirk.
+1 for being different...
I can see your point if you're talking about the size of impact they'll have in the league (and if that wasn't debatable then there's no point in making mock drafts), but most of those comparisons are way off in style of play...
Okay il go through the few I have issue with.
Joel Embiid/Serge Ibaka - Serge scores the majority of his points of dunks/put backs, and jumpers between 16 feet and the 3 point line. (stats from bball reference - 38% of his buckets are from 0-3 feet, 27% are from 16 feet to the 3 line). This contrasts heavily with Joel Embiid, as while he similarly gets a lot of buckets of put backs and dunks, lobs and the like, he already has a strong post game, with above average footwork down low. He is, in my opinion, a much better post player then Ibaka is already, and by the time he develops he will be several times better(if he is to reach the lofty expectations put on him). Defensively Ibaka is an elite help side defender, but he is only average one on one on the block. Again, this contrasts with Embiid, as while Embiid also excels as a weak side defender coming across for blocks and such, he is also above average at he holding position and altering his mans shot on the block. He struggles at times with bulky guys, but this is because Joel needs to put on some weight, and once he chucks on 10~15 pounds of muscle he will be a great post defender. Rebounding is the final difference, as Serge is an average rebounder, often out of position as shots come down, and doesnt box out effectively. Embiid already shows quite capable rebounding abilities, though his raw stats must be taken with a grain of salt as he simply towers over the teams he plays at a college level, thus inflating his rebounding numbers. Overall, I feel like Serge is a good complimentary piece who will get you 10-15 points depending on his team mates, mostly of spot up jumpers and dunks, 6-8 boards, and provide capable defense, but I think Joel will be THE piece on a team, a guy who can go get 20 and 10 whilst looking down the other big.
The big difference to me is that Embiid is always the tallest player on the floor. When he played Baylor, agains Isaiah Austin, he was bad when the team tried to lean on him. It was only when Perry Ellis started playing well that Embiid finally got lose and scored a couple times. Everyone says he has great footwork but i dont really see it. Sure he score on post moves but its because he usually has a smaller player guarding him. When he is 7' tall and his defender is 6'9, he can make is move and simply shoot over the defense.
And the jumper that Ibaka has was developed. As weak as Joel is, i can see this being one of the first things he is asked to do. Out of the 6 or 7 times i have seen him play, he has never wowed me with his post moves. What wows me is his ability to block shots..
Exum is nothing like Tyreke. Tyreke doesnt beat his man with blow by speed or elite athleticism, he uses his slick handle and ability to get through cracks. Exum has an average handle, he blows by guys by using his explosive first step. The only similiarities are they are both combo guards who have suspect jumpers. Completely different play styles.
I appreciate you being specific. However, the only difference i can see in the 2 is their handle. Like you said, both are combo guards with questionable jumpers and yes, Tyreke does have a better handle. The big thing that i see is that you think that Exum will be able to come to the NBA and blow by guys.. First off, he really doesn't do it like you say right now, and he isn't playing agains NBA athletes. I remember Evans at Memphis had blow by ability. I dont see Exum being as explosive as he looks now.
If you will remember, everyone thought Shabazz Muhammed was going to be a fantastic athlete because of his competition. Now we see that he is average by NBA standards..
Grew up in the same suburb as Exum been watching him play for 5 years now. Just because we dont churn out NBA calibre talent doesnt mean we dont have elite athletes. The big sport here is Australian football, so most of the really athletic guys go play that. There are plenty of high quality ATHLETES in the Australian Institute of Sport (the institute Exum, and all other elite young sportsman in Australia go) and Exum is simply the best among them. I've been to the states and I've seen John Wall, Chris Paul, Nate Robinson, Lebron, Dwade, and Exum isnt far off them in terms of pure speed. He is a lightning bolt. He doesnt have a 45 inch vert but dude can just flat out beat you down the court. He has one of the best first steps I've ever seen on an 18 year old, American or Australian. He has a completely different body type to Reke as well. Reke is a hefty 225 of muscle, he has a grown mans physique. He bullies guys with that size, and combines that with his handle to lull you to sleep with that handle then start banging into you and get to the hoop. Exum is slender as all heck, he will barely break 180 at the combine in my opinion. He is all about in and out dribbles and blowing by on that first step and getting to the rack. Just different body types and play styles.
180? Wow.. I disagree.. I'll have to remeber that you said that.
I guess we will just have to wait and see.. I respect your opinion and youre closeness to the situation.
He's listed at 188, 6'6" on this site and DX, so he will probably actually be around 190~195 come combine but I dont think he will ever be a 200+ guy. Ive made this comparison before, but I really think Exum will be a rich mans Leandro Barbosa. A lightning quick slashing combo, a streaky shooter, I think his play style really fits Leandro's, but obviously he has a couple inches on Barbosa.
I can take 195. If he is under 180 tho, it will affect his stock. When i was watching his latest workout stuff, his arms looked bigger than i remember. I think 195 is a better guess.
I'd just like to clear up this other misconception that Exum has only ever played against inferior competition. He has played for both the youth Australian national team(under 16s-19s) and dominated every tournament he has played in, and played for the Australian National mens team against New Zealand(certainly not the best team in the world, but they have a lot of former college players). He has proven himself against other countries elite talents and has played against grown men and more then held his own.
I have also made the comparison that Exum is a tall Barbosa. I got negged a lot too for it. Lol
What's weird is, its so hard to compare contemporary players to 80s players, just because the league is soooooo different now.
But the more I think about Wiggins and Nique, there games are quite similiar. Now let's be fair, Wilkins gave James Harden-levels of effort on defense, while Wiggins appears to be a nice perimeter defender.
Many of his defenders have overrated his defense, making him out to be some kind of game changer defensive force, which I think he is not. What has impressed me 100X more about Wiggins has been how aggressive he has been offensively. Two great games in a row, then an off game against Iowa State which seemed to just be an off night for him.
What's amazing about Kansas is, they supposedly have 2 NBA players who will be difference makers on defense, yet rank 188th in PPG allowed. Not sure if they are affecting games to the levels some think, but none the less, if Wiggins plays like he has lately I like the comp for the most part.
I dont see Wiggins as a great defender. Sure, in college he can defend but its because he is a 6'8 wing with a 7' wing span. Most games, he is guarding a player that is 6'3-6'6. He has a huge impact versus those guys simply because he is sooo long. In the NBA, most of the guys he will be guarding will be similar to him. 6'6-6'9 with long wingspans and have the experience of seeing players like him on a regular basis.
Being a WVU fan, i see the difference in Wiggins and every other opponents wing defender. Its not his intensity, its his length and athleticism. Potiental to be a great defender but doesn't seem to really want to be a shut down guy.
I like the Wiggins-Human Highlight Reel comparison.
One more comparison for Jabari Parker: he has Bernard King's butt which has to be a good thing.
Jabari Parker- Glenn Robinson( more athletic)
Joel Embiid- David Robinson
Andrew Wiggins- T-Mac
Marcus Smart- Baron Davis
Dante Exum- Michael Carter-Williams/ Ron Harper
Noah Vonleh- Derrick Favors
Julius Randle- Antonio McDyess (pre-knee problems
Rodney Hood- Rashard Lewis
Gary Harris- Wayne Ellington
Doug McDermott- Toni Kukoc
Do you honestly see Wiggins average 5 asts a game for 7 seasons in his career,let alone one?I see him more potentially as a non playmaking Tmac,which is about Wilkins once he developped his midrange jumper.
I like the Baron Davis comparison for Marcus Smart. Bigger, dynamic point guards with flair who can break down defenders.
I wish people on here know what Bernard King was like in college. I have a feeling that Jabari is that kind of player.
This comparison has probably been made, but what about Doug McDermott as a modern day Chris Mullin?
The thing is Smarts isn't dynamic with the ball in his hands for a PG.
Jabari Parker - Taller Paul Pierce
Andrew Wiggins - Scottie Pippen
Marcus Smarts - Wesely Mathews
Noah Vonleh - Tristan Thompson
Julius Randle - David Lee
Rodney Hood - Tony Kukoc/James Jones
Gary Harris - Eric Gordan right now
Doug McDermott - Wally Szczerbiak/Dirl Nowitzki
Jabari Parker - Paul Pierce
Andrew Wiggins - Dominique Wilkins
Joel Embiid - Patrick Ewing
Marcus Smart - it's real hard. Think he's like a Ron Harper type. Big combo guard that can guard.
Doug McDermott - someone said Peja Stojakovic the other day and I liked it.
These are all best case obviously and hard to live up to but speaks to the quality of the draft.
how does jabari play like paul pierce? hes not an elite scorer, he scores majority in the post or close to the basket, is not super efficent and he uses his athletcsim more than anyhting pierce is a not a great athlete.. the only player who plays like paul pierce is tj warren he uses his wide array of skills on offense and had very similar stats.
Parker/Larry Johnson is insane.
I like the pre injury McDyess comparison for Randle. People forget how sick McDyess was with Denver. But Randle has a better face up dribble game than McDyess. Randle is a stud.
My Randle comparison is a quicker Anthony Mason/and the best possible Michael Beasley.
Jabari and Glenn Robinson is spot on other than the fact Jabari doesnt play like he just took a nap.
Wiggins reminds me of Richard Dumas (google him) before his drug problems.
i thought about the Richard Dumas comparison too. When I thought about it a couple of months ago, I looked up Dumas' freshman year starts and they were pretty close to what Wiggins was doing.
of the list of comparisons, zach lavine was the most spot on.
Funny thing about the point system here. Nobody can agree with me without getting hit with negs therefore nobody will agree with me.. Granted, i know some of you actually disagree, and i respect that. But there are also people here who have no idea what they are talking about, see a couple of negs, and base their opinion only on that.
Its just funny to see people disagree without presenting their own opinion. Eveyone knows points dont bother me but its interesting to see how people will treat a poster, even one as well known and respected by the previous draft.net generation, when there are a few pink thumbs involved..
I watch these guys play. I know the NBA. This post was to be differnet and i can see that a lot of people havent watched these guys much. They read this site, espn, draft express, and their friends blog and base their opinion on that. Instead of actually watching games and doing their own research to form their independent thought process.
tj warren: paul pierce
WHO CARES ABOUT NEGS!!! NEGS WILL BE NEGS!!!
Just state your opinion, and dont fear people with "keyboard courage"