[treytalkssports.comParticipant]

Too skinny. No offense. Game does not transition. Too injury prone. Broken jumpshot. 

In the Month of March, Noel has averaged 13.2 ppg, 10.5 rpg, 2.3 bpg, and 2.5 spg in 13 games. He is shooting 50% from the floor, which has pulled is yearly average up to 46%. 

More importantly, he has not missed a single game this year even though he has played 32 minutes of uptempo basketball a game. Playing all 82 games in a season is something that Kevin Love, Anthony Davis, Lamarcus Aldridge, and Joakim Noah have never done. 

His free throw percentage is up to 61% (67% in March) from 52% in college. DeAndre Jordan and Andre Drummond have never shot that well from the free throw line. Dwight Howard, Mason Plumlee, and Omer Asik only have one year each where they shot that well from the free throw line. 

And while he is only shooting 30% from 5-9 ft, he is also shooting 30% from 15-19 feet, which may, with reps, be an indication of future ability to occasionally hit a 15 foot jump shot. Even as is, that shooting percentage compares to Enes Kanter and Joakim Noah. 

Anthony Davis is a great defender, but slightly overrated as a rim protector. Although he blocks almost 3 shots a game, he allows 49% at the rim, which is only good for 22nd in the NBA. Comparatively, Noel is 6th in the league at opponent field goal percentage at the rim (45%) among qualified players. I don’t think anyone can argue that Davis has better teammates than Noel too. 

Noel also might be the first player ever to average over 2 bpg and 2 spg.

Oh, and did I mention that he is a 20 year old rookie who is still filling out his frame? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[EndlessknightParticipant]

The guy has been a force since the all star break, and it hasn’t just been empty stats. The Sixers have won 3 of their last 5 games in large part due to his play.

He’ll never be the offensive force that Davis is but I think he can be a better defender and match or excede Davis’ non-scoring numbers all while pitching in 13 to 15 points a game. 

[EndlessknightParticipant]

The guy has been a force since the all star break, and it hasn’t just been empty stats. The Sixers have won 3 of their last 5 games in large part due to his play.

He’ll never be the offensive force that Davis is but I think he can be a better defender and match or excede Davis’ non-scoring numbers all while pitching in 13 to 15 points a game. 

[Wavy BagelsParticipant]

"Noel also might be the first player ever to average over 2 bpg and 2 spg."

Sorry to be that guy, but 3 other players have done this before. 

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi

 

[For_Never_EverParticipant]

 I think Wade came close to it couple of a few times.

[For_Never_EverParticipant]

 I think Wade came close to it couple of a few times.

[treytalkssports.comParticipant]

Good call. I meant to check that stat before I made that statement, but didn’t. + to you

[treytalkssports.comParticipant]

Good call. I meant to check that stat before I made that statement, but didn’t. + to you

[Buckets21Participant]

I don’t think Gerald Wallace played in enough games for that season to count. I think you need to play in 58 games for in order for a season to count for statistical purposes. For what it’s worth.

[Buckets21Participant]

I don’t think Gerald Wallace played in enough games for that season to count. I think you need to play in 58 games for in order for a season to count for statistical purposes. For what it’s worth.

[CynthiaParticipant]

The Admiral & The Dream? Pretty impressive company for Noel…

[CynthiaParticipant]

The Admiral & The Dream? Pretty impressive company for Noel…

[Wavy BagelsParticipant]

"Noel also might be the first player ever to average over 2 bpg and 2 spg."

Sorry to be that guy, but 3 other players have done this before. 

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi

 

[King CaluchaParticipant]

I’m not a hater, but Noel IS to skinny, has very little offense and his jumpshot is broken. It doesn’t mean he can’t improve, it means it’s definitely not good at the moment. Btw, Kanter shoots 38% from 10-16ft and 35% beyond 16ft (2pt). Noah is shooting 39% from 10-16ft and 37% beyong 16ft (2pt). Those career % are way better than Noel’s in my opinion (this season’s % aren’t far from that).

I agree that Davis is overrated not only as a rim protector, but also as a pick and roll defender. He’s been praised for his lateral quickness, but the defense iq just isn’t there yet. Blocks and steals don’t tell the whole story.

[treytalkssports.comParticipant]

Not quite sure where you got those stats, but here Noah and Kanter are both at 33.3% from 15-19 ft, and Noel is 32.8. 

 

 

 

 

[King CaluchaParticipant]

 Those are career shooting %. For this season it isn’t much different. Check Basketball reference.

[King CaluchaParticipant]

 Those are career shooting %. For this season it isn’t much different. Check Basketball reference.

[treytalkssports.comParticipant]

Not quite sure where you got those stats, but here Noah and Kanter are both at 33.3% from 15-19 ft, and Noel is 32.8. 

 

 

 

 

[King CaluchaParticipant]

I’m not a hater, but Noel IS to skinny, has very little offense and his jumpshot is broken. It doesn’t mean he can’t improve, it means it’s definitely not good at the moment. Btw, Kanter shoots 38% from 10-16ft and 35% beyond 16ft (2pt). Noah is shooting 39% from 10-16ft and 37% beyong 16ft (2pt). Those career % are way better than Noel’s in my opinion (this season’s % aren’t far from that).

I agree that Davis is overrated not only as a rim protector, but also as a pick and roll defender. He’s been praised for his lateral quickness, but the defense iq just isn’t there yet. Blocks and steals don’t tell the whole story.

[BubbaChuckParticipant]

2 small corrections:
* As razorSHARPE mentioned- he won’t be the first to 2 BPG/SPG.
* He missed 4 games this season.

A few more cool stats:
* Noel ranks 3 in DBPM (Defensive Box Plus/Minus) with 4.8
* 6th in Block Pct
* 5th in Steal Pct (and at 6″11 is the only player above 6″9 in the top 20!)
* Since the All-Star break has- 13.1 PPG, 10.1 RPG, 2.8 BPG, 2.4 SPG & .682 FT%
& last but not least,
Is better than Wiggins in: PER, FG%, Rebound%, AST%, STL%, BLK%, Win Shares, BPM & VORP.

He probably won’t get ROY or DPOY, but I sure hope he gets a lot of votes. He’s earning them.

[treytalkssports.comParticipant]

Again, my bad. I checked through the game logs for Noel. I count 4 missed games. I was wrong again. I’ll be more disciplined in checking my stats in future posts. 

[treytalkssports.comParticipant]

Again, my bad. I checked through the game logs for Noel. I count 4 missed games. I was wrong again. I’ll be more disciplined in checking my stats in future posts. 

[BubbaChuckParticipant]

2 small corrections:
* As razorSHARPE mentioned- he won’t be the first to 2 BPG/SPG.
* He missed 4 games this season.

A few more cool stats:
* Noel ranks 3 in DBPM (Defensive Box Plus/Minus) with 4.8
* 6th in Block Pct
* 5th in Steal Pct (and at 6″11 is the only player above 6″9 in the top 20!)
* Since the All-Star break has- 13.1 PPG, 10.1 RPG, 2.8 BPG, 2.4 SPG & .682 FT%
& last but not least,
Is better than Wiggins in: PER, FG%, Rebound%, AST%, STL%, BLK%, Win Shares, BPM & VORP.

He probably won’t get ROY or DPOY, but I sure hope he gets a lot of votes. He’s earning them.

[HitsterParticipant]

Noel has played a full season so far which was hugely important after he missed his rookie year. His stats can be judged somewhere between a rookie and a sopohomore as this is his first season but he had a year to gain extra bulk whilst not playing etc.

Hopefully he is now the solidified as the first piece in the Hinkie rebuilding jigsaw. A lot of his value will be on defence but his offence will improve and whilst he may never be a 20ppg player, he can be a very good double digit scorer. Don’t forget that since MCW was moved he hasn’t had a top PG to feed him. When Hinkie gets the PG sorted that should increase Noel’s scoring output. 

[HitsterParticipant]

Noel has played a full season so far which was hugely important after he missed his rookie year. His stats can be judged somewhere between a rookie and a sopohomore as this is his first season but he had a year to gain extra bulk whilst not playing etc.

Hopefully he is now the solidified as the first piece in the Hinkie rebuilding jigsaw. A lot of his value will be on defence but his offence will improve and whilst he may never be a 20ppg player, he can be a very good double digit scorer. Don’t forget that since MCW was moved he hasn’t had a top PG to feed him. When Hinkie gets the PG sorted that should increase Noel’s scoring output. 

[kanuflengParticipant]

i always believed he could put up similar or better stats he had in College to the NBA. im very impressed with his passing at steals. he already is a 13 and 10 2 2 2 guy while still being skinny, learning and coming back from an injury. i wish New Orleans didnt trade him for Holiday! Remember when he was drafted and it was "Block City" then the trade. Davis and Noel at the 4 and 5 is just plain scary!

[hbomb3300Participant]

The second they drafted Noel I was really looking forward to watching that combo… not only would they have been great on defense, but if they played with a quality pg/sg who pushed the tempo they could have run teams off the floor. 

[hbomb3300Participant]

The second they drafted Noel I was really looking forward to watching that combo… not only would they have been great on defense, but if they played with a quality pg/sg who pushed the tempo they could have run teams off the floor. 

[kanuflengParticipant]

i always believed he could put up similar or better stats he had in College to the NBA. im very impressed with his passing at steals. he already is a 13 and 10 2 2 2 guy while still being skinny, learning and coming back from an injury. i wish New Orleans didnt trade him for Holiday! Remember when he was drafted and it was "Block City" then the trade. Davis and Noel at the 4 and 5 is just plain scary!

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

In older threads about Anthony Davis comparisons, I was on board with him being more like a 6’10 Kareem while others had him pegged more as a Bill Russell type.  Then I said that I thought Nerlens Noel was more of a Bill Russell type player.

Now, IF those two comparisons turn out to be true then do I win anything?

 

  

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

In older threads about Anthony Davis comparisons, I was on board with him being more like a 6’10 Kareem while others had him pegged more as a Bill Russell type.  Then I said that I thought Nerlens Noel was more of a Bill Russell type player.

Now, IF those two comparisons turn out to be true then do I win anything?

 

  

[ballislyfe25Participant]

Noel seems to be on the way to  becoming, if not already, a game changing defensive presence. He’s turning away people at the rim and discouraging inside shots, holding his own in the post, and defending the pick and roll at a high level. His mobility on defense really stands out. 

Obviously, he has a way to go on offense in terms of skill and polish (essentially nonexistent back to the basket game) but he’s getting his points in a variety of ways. He runs the floor well on the break and as a trailing big man, yet also gets on and flys the wings like a guard or forward. It’s impressive. He seems comfortable turning and facing up and is improving his midrange shot.

[ballislyfe25Participant]

Noel seems to be on the way to  becoming, if not already, a game changing defensive presence. He’s turning away people at the rim and discouraging inside shots, holding his own in the post, and defending the pick and roll at a high level. His mobility on defense really stands out. 

Obviously, he has a way to go on offense in terms of skill and polish (essentially nonexistent back to the basket game) but he’s getting his points in a variety of ways. He runs the floor well on the break and as a trailing big man, yet also gets on and flys the wings like a guard or forward. It’s impressive. He seems comfortable turning and facing up and is improving his midrange shot.

[Mad MaxParticipant]

 I think he and Okafor would a lovely front court duo, but the sixers are married to Embiid

[Mad MaxParticipant]

 I think he and Okafor would a lovely front court duo, but the sixers are married to Embiid

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

Hope the Sixers build a good core around him.  Embiid or not.  

Wonder if they trade up to get Kaminsky?  I think he and Noel would be an interesting combo.  They could pretty much rotate Noel, Embiid, and Kaminsky.  

I think a great draft for them would be to end up with Justise Winslow (wing defense, slashing) and Kaminsky as their 3rd big.  With one of their second round picks they could go after a shooter at the 2.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

Hope the Sixers build a good core around him.  Embiid or not.  

Wonder if they trade up to get Kaminsky?  I think he and Noel would be an interesting combo.  They could pretty much rotate Noel, Embiid, and Kaminsky.  

I think a great draft for them would be to end up with Justise Winslow (wing defense, slashing) and Kaminsky as their 3rd big.  With one of their second round picks they could go after a shooter at the 2.

[HitsterParticipant]

I’d be interested to know if anyone outside of Noel and Embiid on the Philly roster is in Hinkie’s long term plans. If not then they could look to draft mainly to fill positions 1 to 3 depending if Saric comes over, a 3rd big is also a legit option.

[HitsterParticipant]

I’d be interested to know if anyone outside of Noel and Embiid on the Philly roster is in Hinkie’s long term plans. If not then they could look to draft mainly to fill positions 1 to 3 depending if Saric comes over, a 3rd big is also a legit option.

[username_takenParticipant]

 

 Another huge game for Noel tonight, where he looked good on both sides of the ball

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 Another huge game for Noel tonight, where he looked good on both sides of the ball

[sitlbitoParticipant]

People were saying he had no offense,and was too skinny…because he had no offense and was too skinny. Now he has improved,people say” he has improved”. Is that being a hater? Do you have to know a player at 15 years old and tell everybody he’s gonna be a star to not be considered a hater?

[sitlbitoParticipant]

People were saying he had no offense,and was too skinny…because he had no offense and was too skinny. Now he has improved,people say” he has improved”. Is that being a hater? Do you have to know a player at 15 years old and tell everybody he’s gonna be a star to not be considered a hater?

[hylandptParticipant]

 He’s a great player with glass legs.

[hylandptParticipant]

 He’s a great player with glass legs.

[BA30Participant]

Although his stats are very good in the rebounding department he has a lot of issues passing the eye test. As everyone knows he is basically a string bean. This could be a big problem if he can’t add any sort of bulk, not so much in his upper body but in his lower body. The other thing is he has a real tough time right now knowing when to get inside position and box out players especially on the offensive glass. Right now a lot of his rebounds come from athleticism. If he can correct one of those two issues, he will likely break through and reach his full potential. Plus quite frankly he just needs better players around him at this point. 

[BA30Participant]

Although his stats are very good in the rebounding department he has a lot of issues passing the eye test. As everyone knows he is basically a string bean. This could be a big problem if he can’t add any sort of bulk, not so much in his upper body but in his lower body. The other thing is he has a real tough time right now knowing when to get inside position and box out players especially on the offensive glass. Right now a lot of his rebounds come from athleticism. If he can correct one of those two issues, he will likely break through and reach his full potential. Plus quite frankly he just needs better players around him at this point. 

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