[valentine]

 as the one who has proven the current points system is broken more than anyone else, I have known for a long time that the posters that have negative points are just as good if not better than the ones with positive points. just because we are more intelligent and you cant keep up with our logic does not mean that we dont have intelligent points, you mock us with something meaningless, I mock you for being unable to keep up intellectually. without further adieu my starting five for the negative points all star team is 

ward b – very intelligent poster who always seems to bring good points and intresting ideas 

dnyce- a legend in his own time, no one can incite the masses as well as he can,  if his points are meaningless why does he seem to have such a knack for irritating you?

bkknicksfan- opinionated poster but knowledgeable about the game and actually creates content people respond too

memphis madness- rookie of the year for the negative points team  very new but he brings intresting perspective and knowledge and opinions about the game and isnt afraid to voice his opinion, sees things as they are

don04288-  a veteran of the forums always brings a fresh and intresting perspective and asks really good questions 

I apologize if I left anyone out  as I am sure I did, my team has lost a lot of quality posters over the years because of a stupid thing called popularity   but these people deserve attention as well

[JimmeredYaWabafetParticipant]

http://files.sharenator.com/FUUUU_RE_FFFFFUUUU_Pizza-s508x387-44250-580.jpg

[13kavak]

 tell me off I deserve it!

[goneParticipant]

I’m guessing your the coach?

[JimmeredYaWabafetParticipant]

 im ok with that lol

[13kavak]

 but yes I do think I belong associated with this team

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Well, I was not going to respond to this post, but someone has to say it. 13kavak, you are indeed one of the most egotistical, whiniest people on this board. Even if it is all fun and games, to actually delude yourself to believing that you are indeed more intelligent for people not respecting your posts in the least could indeed lead to debilitating problems in the real world. To blame all of your problems on everyone around you rather than taking any reflection on yourself is just an ignorant way of living your life. I do not know you, but I sincerely hope that you do not apply this method to other things you do.

As far as your all-star team, I think you do indeed mention some posters who are valuable members on this site. At the same time, they are an assault to grammar, reason and thought much more often than not. On the whole, they do the least amount of research required and are careless, which is sometimes a reason that their posts are not taken seriously. Again, I am going to list ways to improve this which is too maybe have more thought and care put into your posts.

I know, it is just a message board, and that points are meaningless in value, but they serve their purpose for the most part, and I think the most enjoyed posters for the masses tend to have points. Scarecrow even went from negative to positive, because he is an intelligent guy who gets it. Hope that you can, until than, ignorance is bliss I guess.

Plus, it is fairly obvious that you are either a) A troll or b) someone who actually wants positive recognition for their basketball cognizance. Well, right now you are all column a and no column b.

[OhCanada-Participant]

I like Wardb, he maybe overly opniated at times yet he displays good basketball knowledge.

[omar dayzeParticipant]

 lol with out further ‘adieu’…? MORE intelligent?

[13kavak]

 except politics seems like the perfect place to run your mouth off for you, and luckily for you intelligence does not nor has it ever been a place significantly known for needing intelligence.   this is the man you work for?  than you question other peoples intelligence? COME ON!  thats highly illogical to say the very least.

was just found to have hired illegal immigrantsfor his frozen foods company that supplies a good deal of his multi-million dollar fortune. great ethics to say the very least. also hmm  if you think I am the one with problems LOL has ANYONE EVER  backed your opinion up of yourself  as a player besides you? I dont delve into fantasy  you do. you called me egotistical  yet your the one that seems to have a very large ego. if I am a troll  I am a troll that has been around a very long time and isnt planning on going anywhere.

[13kavak]

  and luckily for you politics  does not nor has it ever been a place significantly known for needing intelligence

[13kavak]

 my keyboards not the best

[Jlv2011]

Unrelated to basketball.  Next.

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

If using improper grammar is wrong, and that’s what earning me negative points…then it’s whatever.

All I’m saying is this: You’re the ONLY one complaining about it. That ” Grammar is terrible, that’s the reason you have negative points” sounds like a party of one

[T-Wolvesfan13Participant]

 Sorry 13kavak but you are wrong. I agree with you that people with negative points can still be great basketball minds. But most of them are egotistical bastards like yourself. Who they are smarter then other posters because the other posters do not agree with them. When really you are acting like a spoiled child who is not getting his way. Because the truth is that if 99 out of 100 are telling you that you are wrong, then odds are you are wrong. And the reason we can not follow you is not because you are smarter then others. It is because you are all over the place in your posts! Your grammar is awful! And your posts are crazy! That is why you get negatives! Not because you are smart lol.

[13kavak]

 in mock drafts then thinking you know anything about basketball. also hmm did you ever play basketball or you just think that your an 81  for the heck of it. I am not the delusional one.

[13kavak]

 we dont attack you for having points yet you attack us for not having points, giving someone a negative is stating your opinion of them but then when I start this post to give some positive feedback to unpopular posters here all of you people with positives come bashing us again, get off the hatorade. when a similar post was done awhile ago directed towards those with positive points no one came and bashed them, yet somehow you feel the need. if you know this post wasnt directed towards you than why do you choose to address it?

[SwatLakeCityParticipant]

Sometimes you guys are so ignorant. I mean, mickeyv, I have seen your rants about how you think the point system is fair and is an actual determination of who is smart and who actually does their research. But, no you are wrong. I am sorry if you don’t feel this way but that is the truth. Points on this site do not tell how smart you are or how much research you do. To prove this, I’m gonna tell you something that you may or may not believe. I actually do research mosts of my posts. And yet it seems that most of my points are taken as invalid or incorrect. When really that is just your opinion. You can not give negative points to someone just because you don’t agree with them, we are all entitled to our own opinion. I do not think you are less coherent because you have positive points and nor do I think kavak13 is less coherent because he has negative points. 

The "point system" on this site should be discontinued, plain and simple as that. Why: Because it is not a mere reflection of what you do or do not know, and nor is it a mere reflection on how funny you are. Yes, I admit some people do get "points" for this, but I do just the same thing, and what do I get, more negatives. Now I am not bragging or complaining, I actualy don’t care about the points. But that is exactly the point. If the points on this site don’t matter then why have them? And do not tell me that that is the only we know if a point is valid or if a poster on this site is knowledgable. That is pathetic. The fact that you have to rely on an intangible thing, such as "points", to tell you whether or not you are a smart basketball mind shows how ignorant you really are. You can just as well tell if your points are invalid by simply reading the comments on your posts. If you can’t express your mind and tell someone what you think in a comment box, then that shows how even more ignorant and pathetic you are. You do not have to resort to the level of simply giving the person negatives to tell them how "stupid" they are.

Sometimes I think, do you guys even try and look at it from their point of view and try to see any positives to their points or their ideas. I don’t think you do. I think once you see something totally off base and totally not your opinion, you automatically resort to giving the person negatives. 

Sometimes in order to get your point across, you have to talk about the points system and whether or not you like it. Personally I think it is dumb and it would not affect me one bit if the points were discontinued. And nor should it affect anybody else. If you think that this is a unique feature on this site that actually helps, then once again you are wrong for the point I just brought up with my own experience. Ask any other person who has a negative point balance and they will tell you the exact same thing. (you could even ask people who have a positive point balance, and they will also tell you also the exact same thing)

I don’t know why some people have to resort to a low level of taking away points or adding points on this site. But that’s the way it is, and no one can do anything about it. (well, except for the administrator on this site) But that doesn’t mean we can’t bring it up and merely express our thoughts on how stupid, or smart it is.

Now I know no one is going to accept my rant, and have probably already giving me a bunch of negatives. Go ahead and resort to that level if you feel you must, it isn’t going to affect me one bit. (And if you even think that I get negatives becuase of my incorrect grammar or incorrect spelling, then once again you are being pathetic and resorting to an even lower level)

I hope I made my point clear. Some people think they are just so smart, well let me tell you they have another thing coming.

 

[M-DYMESParticipant]

Im sorry but as irrelevant as points may seem, its nice to have them available sometimes.  Like if I’m posting a post where I place an opinion, seeing how many thumbs up or down I get can be a valuable tool in estimating the overall opinion on what was stated. 

Not to mention to some users it does mean alot…cough McDunkin cough. jk.  But, IMO if points are discontinued, then I think some activity on this site would suffer.  I hate that it is true but I am fairly certain it very well would be the case.

[OhCanada-Participant]

In other words this site needs and embraces the point whores. Dont go anywhere point whores. The system works.

[SwatLakeCityParticipant]

 @M-DYMES:"Like if I’m posting a post where I place an opinion, seeing how many thumbs up or down I get can be a valuable tool in estimating the overall opinion on what was stated."

Did you not read my rant? I covered that point. You can see if whether or not your opinon is accepted by simply reading the comments. If that is below you to comment or to read other comments then you shouldn’t even be on this site. Reading the comments and posting your own can be just a valuable a tool as points are, and they should be too. Seeing how many thumbs up or thumbs down you have should not be the overall factor in determining whether or not your opinion is accepted.

If points are discontinued on this site and it does result in inactivity, then isn’t that the problem? Some people have this dumb idea that points actually mean something on this site, and that if they get a negative they will whine and scream for all the world to care. They think their whole life depends on a simple intangible thing as points. And I hope this is not what you think, but regardless that is my view on the point system on this site. 

I really think that the point system should be discontinued on this site and it will not have any affect on me or my activity on this site. And nor should it affect you or anybody on this site. If you think you will be affected then maybe you should reassess your priorities and see what really matters. (Not some stupid intangible thing such as points)

Again, I am not complaining. I really don’t care about the points. But these things have to be brought up in order to see the real problem some posters have on this site.

 

 

[SteroidParticipant]

I doubt it would suffer that much. Other forums don’t openly show positive and negative feedback and they run just fine. It’s just too easy to give someone a negative just for spite. It’s easy to tell when someone goes on a negging spree and singling out people. I get negs on multiple posts for no reason sometimes. If it wasn’t as easy as clicking a button, then it would be fine. On other forums, you actually have to give a short reason why you neg that person or else you can’t neg them, you can’t neg back to back, and you can’t keep negging without giving good rep. How many points a person earns on a post could at least be hidden.

[butidonthavemoney]

I can tell everybody here exactly why they are in the negatives.

BKKnicksfan – You are in the negatives because you are too insensitive. You hold no punches. Some people respect that, but a lot of people just see you as an ego talking down to others. I like your posts and have nothing against you, but it’s no mystery at all that you are in the negatives.

13kavak – mikeyvthedon nailed it. You add nothing of value to the forums, you whine way too much, you trash on other people for no reason, you’d rather blame others for your own problems, etc…

wardb12 – You’re a good debater and you seem pretty smart to me, but you lack a general understanding of basketball scouting, and you miss the point in a lot of things. For example, when you called Gordon Hayward a bust only two months into the season. Another example, you FAILED to miss the point of what mikeyv was saying.

LioninHeat – You can be pretty immature at times.

The point system is indicative of popularity. Nothing more. If you have negatives than maybe you should try to be a little more political in your posts. Though I get annoyed at times, I actually admire and respect almost all of you, and I’ll very rarely give out a negative point. In fact, I can pretty much catalog all the negatives I’ve given out over the last few months…

[SwatLakeCityParticipant]

 I like that system Steroid, I hope a system like that is considered for this site in the future.

Wow, I am sure glad I finally got that out of my system. Posters with negative points… UNITE!!

[JimmeredYaWabafetParticipant]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaX6ENKuf6s

[butidonthavemoney]

No offense intended. If you don’t care about points, by all means continue being a little immature. More power to you.

[SwatLakeCityParticipant]

 NoMoney: I agree the points on this site are no more then a popularity thing. But that means all the more that points should be discontinued. Being on this site should not be a popularity contest. Giving feedback on this site should not be a popularity contest. Creating threads on this site should not be a popularity contest. Yet, that is exactly what it is and that only shows the problem more. 

[JoeWolf1]

 Leaving out European Baller and cyclo of this wack post is like leaving out Jordan and Kareem on your top 10 players ever list.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Mikeyvthedon

“…to actually delude yourself to believing that you are indeed more intelligent for people not respecting your posts in the least could indeed lead to debilitating problems in the real world.”

If you want me to summarize that:
“You’re a pretty dumb poster and to even think that you’re smart is ridiculous. You have negative points for a reason, not because you’re too intelligent”

Hahahahahahaha! Great reply Mikey. I agree with you 100%!

[butidonthavemoney]

/

Weren’t you in the negatives not too long ago?

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

“You’re a pretty dumb poster and to even think that you’re smart is ridiculous. You have negative points for a reason, not because you’re too intelligent”

I guess….. I mean, not everyone with negative points are bad posters. It can’t be a popularity contest, then graded by skill/knowledge. It’s one or the other.

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

Not throwing stones, but that’s like saying Mikeyv is the smartest poster because he gives long detailed posts.

Not really, he just says in 1000 words, what most people say in about 15-25

[OhCanada-Participant]

I can tell everybody here exactly why they are in the negatives.

BKKnicksfan – You are in the negatives because you are too insensitive. You hold no punches. Some people respect that, but a lot of people just see you as an ego talking down to others. I like your posts and have nothing against you, but it’s no mystery at all that you are in the negatives.

13kavak – mikeyvthedon nailed it. You add nothing of value to the forums, you whine way too much, you trash on other people for no reason, you’d rather blame others for your own problems, etc…

wardb12 – You’re a good debater and you seem pretty smart to me, but you lack a general understanding of basketball scouting, and you miss the point in a lot of things. For example, when you called Gordon Hayward a bust only two months into the season. Another example, you FAILED to miss the point of what mikeyv was saying.

LioninHeat – You can be pretty immature at times.

The point system is indicative of popularity. Nothing more. If you have negatives than maybe you should try to be a little more political in your posts. Though I get annoyed at times, I actually admire and respect almost all of you, and I’ll very rarely give out a negative point. In fact, I can pretty much catalog all the negatives I’ve given out over the last few months…

Now assess me! Read my palm NoMoney wizard of forum analysis!

[Scottoant93Participant]

There are times where I go on a stretch where I make some pretty good posts, and most people agree with, or atleast to an extent., and then there are times where I make stupid comments or threads(such as 666 thread,my blow up with No Money which I apoligized for). I would rate myself as an average poster, even though there sometimes I don’t understand why I get negatives(such as my future coaches thread), but the system helps me improve my comments so I appreciate all of weather positive or negative.

[13kavak]

I insult people who insult me only and I would dare anyone to find an example of me one time ragging on ANYONE who didnt insult me first, that is simply called defending oneself and I know of no one without the right to do that. since I am &$#%#&@! all the time PLEASE give me an example of WHEN I &$#%#&@!ed about something? anything? I compliment some of you and you insult me than you get offended if I defend myself this seems logical. I lost the popularity contest as I always do I get that but I sure did not lose the battle of the minds.  nomoney you want to use and show examples of when i ragged on anyone who didnt attack me first, I am sorry that your head is as empty as a piggybanks coin slot and yes you did attack me first.

[apb540Participant]

NoMoney summed all you negative posters up pretty well, but like has been posted, points need to be taken with a grain of salt.  McDunkin for example has like 9000+ points but 98.7% of them have come off of funny ass pictures that move or have words in them or youtube videos.  Not to say his shit isn’t funny, cuz it usually is, but I can’t remember the last time the dude posted about basketball.  That pretty much sums up the point issue.

[apb540Participant]

Wasn’t taking any shots, just using you as an example.  Keep posting funny issh so I can get a good laugh. 

[butidonthavemoney]

"I insult people who insult me only and I would dare anyone to find an example of me one time ragging on ANYONE who didnt insult me first"

Here you go.

[13kavak]

 thats not an example

[butidonthavemoney]

There’s another example.

[apb540Participant]

this is too funny 

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

@wardb12: You completely missed the point of what I was trying to say. You rarely do what I say the first time you post something, but you are not even on the same wave length this time.

@BKKnicksFan: Well, no one is forcing you to read them. Also, I was referring to you as not being a terrible poster, but, throwing stones is usually your forte. Must be nice for someone to acknowledge you, I tried to help when you asked for it, and I have laid off since you apparently did not want it. All I tend to say with the grammar issue is, it is hard to take someone seriously when they do not make sense. If you say what you write aloud, and it sounds unintelligent, how is that going to come across in writing? As someone who preaches he wants to be a journalist, I would take that into account. All I have been saying to you, not to mention that nomoney nails you on the head. 

@13kavak: If you can not even read a profile, that is made more in jest than reality properly, than I have very little to say to you. I know who Phil Knight is, I read the news, your link did not work and I have seen you complain more about people that are liked on this site this site as opposed to making any comments on basketball. Guys, I come here to talk about basketball, that is why I post. Everything I post otherwise is in the hope that you may take something into account that could possibly improve the content of this board. If you did the same to me, I would not call you a hater, whine and complain like many of you seem too.

I write long posts because I treat most posts like an essay, in which I have a thesis I am trying to prove. May be a reason some people dislike them, but I post original content I work on and take time to do. I do this because I love basketball and I actually feel good when I am writing, and if you want to say something about that, I do not really care. I feel I am friendly, and I try to educate and understand other people, I also enjoy debating subjects, and I encourage people to debate me with evidence and arguments contrary to my posts. If you think you say and show what I do in 1000 words in 15-25, so be it.

I try to find evidence and information that I tend to feel might be missing or is relevant to a given topic or argument. If you feel otherwise, dislike my posts or do not read them. But, I for one am happy that I receive positive response from a number of posters, and for that to supposedly make me less of an intellectual is somewhat illogical. I may be a Poli-Sci major, I like to know what is going on the world and politics fascinates me, but I despise political games and I assure you, I am not part of one here. So, you are picking the wrong person to go and battle with man, I honestly have nothing else to say to you unless you at least can admit to yourself that you are not perfect and can improve.

I completely admit that, I AM NOT PERFECT, I am wrong at times, but I am not the one judging people they do not know. I never have said I am the smartest person on the site, but I have watched and studied this game for years, and I try to be confident in my knowledge. If I am egotistical for that, than I will try to be less so, but I try not to rub things in peoples faces. Just post basketball, and maybe you will find that people will like you, and you will not have this obvious anger.

[butidonthavemoney]

At least you’re breaking up your paragraphs now, buddy. People have to respect your improvement in that area.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

I listen to my critics. When people say something bad about me or give me constructive criticism, I tend to give them a plus 1. I want to be the best I can be, and luckily, at least I have found, other people here genuinely want you to be that. 

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

@BKKnicksFan: Well, no one is forcing you to read them. Also, I was referring to you as not being a terrible poster, but, throwing stones is usually your forte. Must be nice for someone to acknowledge you, I tried to help when you asked for it, and I have laid off since you apparently did not want it. All I tend to say with the grammar issue is, it is hard to take someone seriously when they do not make sense. If you say what you write aloud, and it sounds unintelligent, how is that going to come across in writing? As someone who preaches he wants to be a journalist, I would take that into account. All I have been saying to you, not to mention that nomoney nails you on the head.

– No, I had the problem with the lecturing. Trust me, I don’t read the entire paragraph. I just said you can’t tell me someone is great because the break down every ideal in 1000 words.

– It is pretty nice to be acknowledge. Don’t know what you mean by that, but yea, it’s pretty nice

-I wouldn’t say unintelligent, I would say developing. Again, if you were going into college with this perfect grammar, more power to you, but not everyone was.

– I’ll say this again, and again, and again

Your the ONLY person who complains about grammar on a forum. I’m being honest, it’s worthless complaining. Trust me, I read my stuff, some of it 10 times before it gets published. Like I said, I’m not coming on here thinking “god, gotta use the right tenses, or, I have to make sure this word is spelled correctly” because if you understand what I’m saying, it’s still a conversation.

It’s busting balls and it’s not even worth the time.

[DanEboyParticipant]

[butidonthavemoney]

I find poor grammer on forums annoying, though I doubt anybody is getting any negatives for it unless there is a SUPER obsessive-compulsive on the site (for the record, I may have a slight case of OCD).

mikeyv’s grammer isn’t perfect, and mine isn’t either. At least the two of us make an attempt. Grammer on an Internet message board is comparable to ironing your shirt. Is it going to help you attract more women? Probably not, but it still looks nice.

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

In fact, you bringing up Scarecrow was the most offensive part to me. I’m gonna say this, go read some of that man’s post, some show little to no basketball sense, yet we see plus 3, plus 5 and so on. His trade ideas are TERRIBLE, yet he’s a intelligent mind? That makes me question if your reading his stuff. Going back to you, you and him are in the same spectrum. Long posts with key words and small points to drag people in and give you a point, while 2/3 of your words mean nothing. It’s filler.

Like I said, don’t tell me points don’t represent popularity because that’s incorrect. I’ll be cocky for a second, if we got points based on actual basketball skill, there would be 15 of us in positives. However, we all get to votes secretly so people can just pick and choose what’s incorrect, even if it’s a smart argument.

[ProudGrandpaParticipant]

I feel my presence is needed in this thread.

[DanEboyParticipant]

I have a strong knowledge of basketball…I just don’t express it here.

Bunch of thieves.

[apb540Participant]

Good point on my boy Scarecrow.  Dude needs to lay off the Thad Young and Evan Turner for JR Smith, Gallo, and Birdman idea.  I have seen it and shot it down like 4 or 5 time already. 

[ProudGrandpaParticipant]

Lions in Heat, my appointed nemesis, is quite immature and insists on posting pointless links.

[ProudGrandpaParticipant]

I don’t see  how this guy has so many negatives.  He seems like he keeps it real and knows some stuff.

[JimmeredYaWabafetParticipant]

 yeap u just negatived Bakura,now i hate you

[providencefriars1Participant]

The point of this being a popularity contest has been brought up a few times here and I just want to address it. If you make a good point about basketball you will get points. People arent just going to give negatives for no reason. We probably all have looked at our points and said wait why would I get a negative there? but you have to move on.

13kavak you are really not helping your cause here, you’ve lost a ton of points on this thread because you are complaining about getting no points. If you never made this thread you would have more of the points you seem to value so much.

[kaceyParticipant]

I say lets add to the "thumbs up and thumbs down."  Lets add some more hand gestures that can be selected, such as the A-ok hand gesture, or the ILY sign, or everyone’s favorite the fist bump, and last but not least, the high-five.

That way it can be more of a rating per post.

I know I’m not the only one who wants to see the fist bump as a possible selection to rate someone’s post.

(If I was cool enough I could have enhanced this post with .gifs, but I’m not on that level.)

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Yes, his trade ideas were sometimes terrible, and his threads were out there.

But, HE TOOK CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM AND IMPROVED.

That was the point of me using him as a positive example.

Guys, you miss the point of these things sometimes.

The grammar is not at all the biggest deal to me.

It is arrogance and a lack of research that usually is what attracts my wrath.

You sometimes post these kind of topics.

You may disagree, but a majority of this board does not.

We want you to do well, but being angry and acting like people are out to get you is not going to help.

Do not take my advice, I am not going to give you any, I am just making observations on a group of you guys who feel that you are being made examples of. You are for a reason, because if you do indeed improve, it will be noted and acknowledged.  

[kaceyParticipant]

Oh I forgot to mention another hand gesture. The ‘Clinton thumb.’

If you don’t know about it, learn about it.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Jamie Y, I love it man. While it could be confusing, I am a major proponent of the Clinton thumb. I think the ultimate a person can get is what I call "the Jordan arm". Basically, it is like Tiger Woods after he hits a nice putt. The Jordan arm is pretty much the ultimate in greatness. L. That is a Jordan arm right there. 

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

Yes, his trade ideas were sometimes terrible, and his threads were out there. But, HE TOOK CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM AND IMPROVED.

– Please explain how he improved. You like to explain thing in detail, please explain how he improved.

The grammar is not at all the biggest deal to me

– Come on now. Don’t lie, that’s all you talk about. That’s what this entire thing is about, you bring it up EVERYTIME

It is arrogance and a lack of research that usually is what attracts my wrath. You sometimes post these kind of topics.

– I really need a example of this.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/why-new-york-knicks-should-hire-me-gmor-least-assistant-gm

 

This is the ultimate post I was talking about. I said NOTHING about grammar. I even apologize for being harsh, I do not want to hurt your feelings. But, instead of maybe taking constructive criticism or trying to back up the viable questions people have of your plan, you take it harshly. You do this all of the time. This is one of the originators of drama and point paranoia.

Now, you at least do not care about points, and I think you are improving all of the time. But, instead of fighting what people say about you, why not embrace it? I, and I think everyone else here, want you to be successful. You may think I am an idiot, or not agree with what I say, but I am actually very much in your corner and want you to do well. When I see things like this, I think it is counter productive, it does not make you look like the great basketball mind you claimed to be.

People here get criticized and automatically assume it is hate rather than general concern. I am sorry I grouped the "negative point all-stars" into what I originally wrote mainly for the delusional that is 13kavak. Plus, what Tongue-Out wrote as an explanation of what I was saying only applies to 13kavak, and was not exactly what I was saying. 

Reflection comes with maturity, and I am just trying to kick some things I have learned over time. Believe me, I would probably used to react much more harshly to criticism than I do now, but honestly, I want this board to be awesome, I genuinely feel it is, but I think there is always room for improvement. You can hate me, think I am harsh on you and an @sshole, but that is not my intent. If I get advice from someone that can make me potentially better, I try to take it.

When you told me to leave you alone, I did. Now that you have asked me for evidence on these things, I am telling you. I know my grammar is not perfect, but I try, and I do not expect yours to be either. My biggest pet peeve is people talking down to people and not learning from mistakes, and you have done this at times. If you want to write for sites, and for people to take your work seriously, grammar is a small part of it. I find that your posts do not necessarily have a full explanation of how certain basketball skills will be taken into account to help teams improve. I sometimes do not necessarily agree with your scouting of players and question whether you have a true understanding of what they bring to the table.

One of the reasons I write, is because I find short responses incredibly boring. When you read a post full of short responses, are you satisfied? I am not. I like detail, I like reading articles and I hate the same old same old that we get hit over the head with so often. That is why I try to be creative, I try to come up with ideas to make fun, interactive debate. Remember who made the first site mock draft? That you asked if you could repost and try to do again? I was glad to let you do so. I love debate and I am totally cool with people disagreeing with me. They just better back it up. Not in 1000 words, but 15-25 usually are not adequate.

Scarecrow is a guy who I definitely do not always agree with, and quite honestly, when I first saw him on the board, I thought he was obnoxious. However, over time, as we debated and posted, Scarecrow decided to put a lot more thought into his posts and I think that is a reason why he went from "Mr. Minusmenow", to a person near the plus sign. I learned from him, he learned from me, no one is above anyone here, but we helped each other become better by being equals. 

My ultimate reason for posting here originally was that I think 13kavak is barking up the wrong tree. If you are a valuable member of this board, you know that EVERYONE, regardless of how many points they have, has something to say and should be heard. You and other people with negative points come up with some really solid posts. Still, to say that we should disband points due to people getting negatives is actually giving points the meaning they should not have. If no one is giving you constructive criticism on a negative post you think is well written who cares? But, when I get negged, I do try to evaluate what I have written and see if I can improve something. If I get negged and get criticized for something, I take it into account.

In fact, the reason I write posts in a lot of detail, is to prevent the one sentence answers and to account for anyone. I think the fact I write a lot usually gives me as much chance of getting a negative as a positive. usually, if I get around a 0 on a long post, or maybe a couple positives over multiple negs, I feel it is a successful post. The more I write, the more chance I have of a person disagreeing with what I say at a point and therefore either negging me or not giving any recognition negative or positive. 

But, I love writing man. I love debating on here and I find it a great way to pass the time. I like educating people on basketball, I have been making lists and following basketball for a long time. Also, I have been a regular on this site since it started, I visited it constantly even back than. Trust me when I say, before this board had the "plus/minus" option, it was not what it is right now. Hate it or love it, care about it or not, it is a tool that helps this sites activity. 

So, no, I do not judge you only for grammar and I hope this tells you something about my philosophy and my intentions. I still am not going to harp on you, I will leave you personally completely alone unless you ask otherwise. But, if I disagree with something, I debate it. If I see some disharmony, I try to make it right. When Euroballer was spouting his quotes on racism and hate of all things American basketball, I asked him, "Why not educate people about something you know about, which is European basketball?" He instead, spouted continued negativity. I asked DNYCE to do the same thing when he finally went off the deep end in his infamous "Lil’ Wayne is being ignored by LeBron/Wade" post. Now, I am hoping the same thing from 13kavak, and receiving more negativity. You can take it the same way, or what I hope is take it in stride. Either ignore me, or take the constructive criticism from your fellow posters who want you to be successful.

My final quote is something I came up with last night:

"If you admit you are wrong, you show a great source of strength. If you never admit when you are wrong, you are 13kavak."

I admit it, I am wrong at times, I have a lot I can improve on. When people tell me so, I am thankful. It is not hate, it is improvement and self reflection. It can make you a better you (in the universal, not in the particular).

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

OMG!! I was the 1 who created that Infamous Lebron/Wade Ignoring Lil Wayne Thread and it went from Basketball to Rap To Creation of the Races to The Apolcalyse!!! Only DNYCE could do dat!!!   hahahahahahaha

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

This is the ultimate post I was talking about. I said NOTHING about grammar. I even apologize for being harsh, I do not want to hurt your feelings. But, instead of maybe taking constructive criticism or trying to back up the viable questions people have of your plan, you take it harshly. You do this all of the time. This is one of the originators of drama and point paranoia.

– That’s one post. I always ask for feedback and such. I don’t run from opinions and critcism. I never do because it helps me. That’s not true either, I don’t always take it harshly, I always try to understand what people mean, but when you say it disrespectfully (as you did in that post), I took offense to it. You coming at me with the " High School Phenom" line was uncalled for. Telling me to "Get over myself" was uncalled for. Honestly, that’s the day I lost respect for you, not because you dissected my post, but because you went overboard, and you thought I would be alright with it. That’s where you lost me. I have NO problem with critcism, or different people’s views, but when you berate me or attack the character I portray or my opinions, that’s where I have to move away from that and the person who does that. I never wrote to anyone on here attack thier thoughts unless they were so outlandish that they needed to hear the brutal truth about it.

Looking at that first post you made on that topic, I felt it was disrespectful, uncalled for, and honestly incorrect when I look at it again.

As for the points, yes. I complain about points, because it’s a unfair system. I’m gonna say it and I’m gonna get my account banned for saying it but, if any other main draft site had a live forum full of people, I would have left a while go, because I feel taking points away is just lame. That’s why I don’t take points from other, because it’s really THE lamest thing on the site. You hide behind a computer and you have the option to say "this post is so bad, I’ll negate a thought by belittling it and hindering the thought of it by decreasing the point total on it"

THAT’S LAME AS F*CK

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

This is the ultimate post I was talking about. I said NOTHING about grammar. I even apologize for being harsh, I do not want to hurt your feelings. But, instead of maybe taking constructive criticism or trying to back up the viable questions people have of your plan, you take it harshly. You do this all of the time. This is one of the originators of drama and point paranoia.

– That’s one post. I always ask for feedback and such. I don’t run from opinions and critcism. I never do because it helps me. That’s not true either, I don’t always take it harshly, I always try to understand what people mean, but when you say it disrespectfully (as you did in that post), I took offense to it. You coming at me with the " High School Phenom" line was uncalled for. Telling me to "Get over myself" was uncalled for. Honestly, that’s the day I lost respect for you, not because you dissected my post, but because you went overboard, and you thought I would be alright with it. That’s where you lost me. I have NO problem with critcism, or different people’s views, but when you berate me or attack the character I portray or my opinions, that’s where I have to move away from that and the person who does that. I never wrote to anyone on here attack thier thoughts unless they were so outlandish that they needed to hear the brutal truth about it.

Looking at that first post you made on that topic, I felt it was disrespectful, uncalled for, and honestly incorrect when I look at it again.

As for the points, yes. I complain about points, because it’s a unfair system. I’m gonna say it and I’m gonna get my account banned for saying it but, if any other main draft site had a live forum full of people, I would have left a while go, because I feel taking points away is just lame. That’s why I don’t take points from other, because it’s really THE lamest thing on the site. You hide behind a computer and you have the option to say "this post is so bad, I’ll negate a thought by belittling it and hindering the thought for future reading of it by decreasing the point total on it"

THAT’S LAME AS F*CK

[McDunkin]

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

I said I was sorry man, and that it was harsh. You told me to get over myself, felt I did that. When you apologize to someone and it is not accepted, so be it, but I apologized. Guess it went on empty ears (or eyes). Everything you have highlighted from me is in the negative. You overlook all of the positive I am trying to bring to the equation. Why is that?

To be honest, I felt YOU needed to hear the truth. That is why you get negged on that post. It was harsh, but that post was not well thought out and came off as completely egotistical with incredibly little substance. You asked for comments, and those were my thoughts on it. You look for attention a lot, you want criticism, and it was getting to the point where you were just making the same mistakes over and over again.

Man, we want you to succeed. You have been all over the place on this board, you have been gone, you have come back, you are one of the only people I know who announces these things who does not have some serious obstacle they are going through (by this I mean people leaving for the army or going to Antartica).

Hate point bandits, think you are a better basketball mind than people with more points than you, you indeed may be. But, I am not hiding behind my computer. I am saying something to you. I am sorry I hurt your feelings, it was harsh, but I really disliked how you went about that post. I dislike someone calling themselves a phenom. It is pure egotism, and it does not come up well. Say you are passionate, say you love the game, but do not belie guru status amongst yourself. Let other people call you that. You comment a lot on other peoples posts being outlandish, you dislike Scarecrow for being "outlandish" in your opinion, when you manage to get -14 points on a post, the odds are could it not be a little outlandish? 

I probably took that post the wrong way, but I was not in favor of the way you went about things. You did the same thing, I respect that, but I feel you took it too heart far too much. You have basically been saying I am an idiot for writing 1000 word posts, and that you know more about basketball than I do, believe me, I could take it harshly as well, but instead I am trying to extend an olive branch and hope that maybe you will get what the points are trying to do. We could get rid of points, but I have a feeling that it could lead to way worse things than I said to you, not to mention their being less constructive criticism and more posts completely bashing someone. 

Bottom line is, I believe the points are fine, and that people will take you seriously as long as you put thought into your posts when it comes to basketball. If you indeed reflect and maybe start over one more time taking a more thoughtful approach, that you would get some great feedback. I like you as being the passionate basketball fans with strong opinions, not the boastful fan on the rampage. When I see someone being boastful, I can react harshly. In this case, I felt it was warranted, and even though some of what I said was harsh, I felt that you needed to hear it. 

I apologize for coming at you in a way you saw as being disrespectful. I disagreed with what you had posted, and I disagreed with the way you went about things, but I was not trying to attack your character. I have been called a lot of things on this board and have had harsh things written towards me, but I always try to come from a point of education and understanding. I urge you to read what I have written beyond the things you see as being negative, because I feel overall I am trying to kick positive things here.

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