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Lions in Heat

Lions in Heat, my appointed nemesis, is quite immature and insists on posting pointless links.

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ProvidenceFriars

I don't see how this guy has so many negatives. He seems like he keeps it real and knows some stuff.

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yeap u just negatived

yeap u just negatived Bakura,now i hate you

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The point of this being a

The point of this being a popularity contest has been brought up a few times here and I just want to address it. If you make a good point about basketball you will get points. People arent just going to give negatives for no reason. We probably all have looked at our points and said wait why would I get a negative there? but you have to move on.

13kavak you are really not helping your cause here, you've lost a ton of points on this thread because you are complaining about getting no points. If you never made this thread you would have more of the points you seem to value so much.

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I say lets add to the "thumbs

I say lets add to the "thumbs up and thumbs down." Lets add some more hand gestures that can be selected, such as the A-ok hand gesture, or the ILY sign, or everyone's favorite the fist bump, and last but not least, the high-five.

That way it can be more of a rating per post.

I know I'm not the only one who wants to see the fist bump as a possible selection to rate someone's post.

(If I was cool enough I could have enhanced this post with .gifs, but I'm not on that level.)

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Scarecrow

Yes, his trade ideas were sometimes terrible, and his threads were out there.

But, HE TOOK CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM AND IMPROVED.

That was the point of me using him as a positive example.

Guys, you miss the point of these things sometimes.

The grammar is not at all the biggest deal to me.

It is arrogance and a lack of research that usually is what attracts my wrath.

You sometimes post these kind of topics.

You may disagree, but a majority of this board does not.

We want you to do well, but being angry and acting like people are out to get you is not going to help.

Do not take my advice, I am not going to give you any, I am just making observations on a group of you guys who feel that you are being made examples of. You are for a reason, because if you do indeed improve, it will be noted and acknowledged.

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Oh I forgot to mention

Oh I forgot to mention another hand gesture. The 'Clinton thumb.'

If you don't know about it, learn about it.

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Jamie Y, I love it man. While it could be confusing, I am a major proponent of the Clinton thumb. I think the ultimate a person can get is what I call "the Jordan arm". Basically, it is like Tiger Woods after he hits a nice putt. The Jordan arm is pretty much the ultimate in greatness. L. That is a Jordan arm right there.

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Yes, his trade ideas were

Yes, his trade ideas were sometimes terrible, and his threads were out there. But, HE TOOK CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM AND IMPROVED.

- Please explain how he improved. You like to explain thing in detail, please explain how he improved.

The grammar is not at all the biggest deal to me

- Come on now. Don't lie, that's all you talk about. That's what this entire thing is about, you bring it up EVERYTIME

It is arrogance and a lack of research that usually is what attracts my wrath. You sometimes post these kind of topics.

- I really need a example of this.

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Every time

http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/why-new-york-knicks-should-hire-me-gmor-le...

This is the ultimate post I was talking about. I said NOTHING about grammar. I even apologize for being harsh, I do not want to hurt your feelings. But, instead of maybe taking constructive criticism or trying to back up the viable questions people have of your plan, you take it harshly. You do this all of the time. This is one of the originators of drama and point paranoia.

Now, you at least do not care about points, and I think you are improving all of the time. But, instead of fighting what people say about you, why not embrace it? I, and I think everyone else here, want you to be successful. You may think I am an idiot, or not agree with what I say, but I am actually very much in your corner and want you to do well. When I see things like this, I think it is counter productive, it does not make you look like the great basketball mind you claimed to be.

People here get criticized and automatically assume it is hate rather than general concern. I am sorry I grouped the "negative point all-stars" into what I originally wrote mainly for the delusional that is 13kavak. Plus, what Tongue-Out wrote as an explanation of what I was saying only applies to 13kavak, and was not exactly what I was saying.

Reflection comes with maturity, and I am just trying to kick some things I have learned over time. Believe me, I would probably used to react much more harshly to criticism than I do now, but honestly, I want this board to be awesome, I genuinely feel it is, but I think there is always room for improvement. You can hate me, think I am harsh on you and an @sshole, but that is not my intent. If I get advice from someone that can make me potentially better, I try to take it.

When you told me to leave you alone, I did. Now that you have asked me for evidence on these things, I am telling you. I know my grammar is not perfect, but I try, and I do not expect yours to be either. My biggest pet peeve is people talking down to people and not learning from mistakes, and you have done this at times. If you want to write for sites, and for people to take your work seriously, grammar is a small part of it. I find that your posts do not necessarily have a full explanation of how certain basketball skills will be taken into account to help teams improve. I sometimes do not necessarily agree with your scouting of players and question whether you have a true understanding of what they bring to the table.

One of the reasons I write, is because I find short responses incredibly boring. When you read a post full of short responses, are you satisfied? I am not. I like detail, I like reading articles and I hate the same old same old that we get hit over the head with so often. That is why I try to be creative, I try to come up with ideas to make fun, interactive debate. Remember who made the first site mock draft? That you asked if you could repost and try to do again? I was glad to let you do so. I love debate and I am totally cool with people disagreeing with me. They just better back it up. Not in 1000 words, but 15-25 usually are not adequate.

Scarecrow is a guy who I definitely do not always agree with, and quite honestly, when I first saw him on the board, I thought he was obnoxious. However, over time, as we debated and posted, Scarecrow decided to put a lot more thought into his posts and I think that is a reason why he went from "Mr. Minusmenow", to a person near the plus sign. I learned from him, he learned from me, no one is above anyone here, but we helped each other become better by being equals.

My ultimate reason for posting here originally was that I think 13kavak is barking up the wrong tree. If you are a valuable member of this board, you know that EVERYONE, regardless of how many points they have, has something to say and should be heard. You and other people with negative points come up with some really solid posts. Still, to say that we should disband points due to people getting negatives is actually giving points the meaning they should not have. If no one is giving you constructive criticism on a negative post you think is well written who cares? But, when I get negged, I do try to evaluate what I have written and see if I can improve something. If I get negged and get criticized for something, I take it into account.

In fact, the reason I write posts in a lot of detail, is to prevent the one sentence answers and to account for anyone. I think the fact I write a lot usually gives me as much chance of getting a negative as a positive. usually, if I get around a 0 on a long post, or maybe a couple positives over multiple negs, I feel it is a successful post. The more I write, the more chance I have of a person disagreeing with what I say at a point and therefore either negging me or not giving any recognition negative or positive.

But, I love writing man. I love debating on here and I find it a great way to pass the time. I like educating people on basketball, I have been making lists and following basketball for a long time. Also, I have been a regular on this site since it started, I visited it constantly even back than. Trust me when I say, before this board had the "plus/minus" option, it was not what it is right now. Hate it or love it, care about it or not, it is a tool that helps this sites activity.

So, no, I do not judge you only for grammar and I hope this tells you something about my philosophy and my intentions. I still am not going to harp on you, I will leave you personally completely alone unless you ask otherwise. But, if I disagree with something, I debate it. If I see some disharmony, I try to make it right. When Euroballer was spouting his quotes on racism and hate of all things American basketball, I asked him, "Why not educate people about something you know about, which is European basketball?" He instead, spouted continued negativity. I asked DNYCE to do the same thing when he finally went off the deep end in his infamous "Lil' Wayne is being ignored by LeBron/Wade" post. Now, I am hoping the same thing from 13kavak, and receiving more negativity. You can take it the same way, or what I hope is take it in stride. Either ignore me, or take the constructive criticism from your fellow posters who want you to be successful.

My final quote is something I came up with last night:

"If you admit you are wrong, you show a great source of strength. If you never admit when you are wrong, you are 13kavak."

I admit it, I am wrong at times, I have a lot I can improve on. When people tell me so, I am thankful. It is not hate, it is improvement and self reflection. It can make you a better you (in the universal, not in the particular).

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OMG!! I was the 1 who created

OMG!! I was the 1 who created that Infamous Lebron/Wade Ignoring Lil Wayne Thread and it went from Basketball to Rap To Creation of the Races to The Apolcalyse!!! Only DNYCE could do dat!!! hahahahahahaha

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This is the ultimate post I

This is the ultimate post I was talking about. I said NOTHING about grammar. I even apologize for being harsh, I do not want to hurt your feelings. But, instead of maybe taking constructive criticism or trying to back up the viable questions people have of your plan, you take it harshly. You do this all of the time. This is one of the originators of drama and point paranoia.

- That's one post. I always ask for feedback and such. I don't run from opinions and critcism. I never do because it helps me. That's not true either, I don't always take it harshly, I always try to understand what people mean, but when you say it disrespectfully (as you did in that post), I took offense to it. You coming at me with the " High School Phenom" line was uncalled for. Telling me to "Get over myself" was uncalled for. Honestly, that's the day I lost respect for you, not because you dissected my post, but because you went overboard, and you thought I would be alright with it. That's where you lost me. I have NO problem with critcism, or different people's views, but when you berate me or attack the character I portray or my opinions, that's where I have to move away from that and the person who does that. I never wrote to anyone on here attack thier thoughts unless they were so outlandish that they needed to hear the brutal truth about it.

Looking at that first post you made on that topic, I felt it was disrespectful, uncalled for, and honestly incorrect when I look at it again.

As for the points, yes. I complain about points, because it's a unfair system. I'm gonna say it and I'm gonna get my account banned for saying it but, if any other main draft site had a live forum full of people, I would have left a while go, because I feel taking points away is just lame. That's why I don't take points from other, because it's really THE lamest thing on the site. You hide behind a computer and you have the option to say "this post is so bad, I'll negate a thought by belittling it and hindering the thought of it by decreasing the point total on it"

THAT'S LAME AS F*CK

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This is the ultimate post I

This is the ultimate post I was talking about. I said NOTHING about grammar. I even apologize for being harsh, I do not want to hurt your feelings. But, instead of maybe taking constructive criticism or trying to back up the viable questions people have of your plan, you take it harshly. You do this all of the time. This is one of the originators of drama and point paranoia.

- That's one post. I always ask for feedback and such. I don't run from opinions and critcism. I never do because it helps me. That's not true either, I don't always take it harshly, I always try to understand what people mean, but when you say it disrespectfully (as you did in that post), I took offense to it. You coming at me with the " High School Phenom" line was uncalled for. Telling me to "Get over myself" was uncalled for. Honestly, that's the day I lost respect for you, not because you dissected my post, but because you went overboard, and you thought I would be alright with it. That's where you lost me. I have NO problem with critcism, or different people's views, but when you berate me or attack the character I portray or my opinions, that's where I have to move away from that and the person who does that. I never wrote to anyone on here attack thier thoughts unless they were so outlandish that they needed to hear the brutal truth about it.

Looking at that first post you made on that topic, I felt it was disrespectful, uncalled for, and honestly incorrect when I look at it again.

As for the points, yes. I complain about points, because it's a unfair system. I'm gonna say it and I'm gonna get my account banned for saying it but, if any other main draft site had a live forum full of people, I would have left a while go, because I feel taking points away is just lame. That's why I don't take points from other, because it's really THE lamest thing on the site. You hide behind a computer and you have the option to say "this post is so bad, I'll negate a thought by belittling it and hindering the thought for future reading of it by decreasing the point total on it"

THAT'S LAME AS F*CK

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Did I not apologize?

I said I was sorry man, and that it was harsh. You told me to get over myself, felt I did that. When you apologize to someone and it is not accepted, so be it, but I apologized. Guess it went on empty ears (or eyes). Everything you have highlighted from me is in the negative. You overlook all of the positive I am trying to bring to the equation. Why is that?

To be honest, I felt YOU needed to hear the truth. That is why you get negged on that post. It was harsh, but that post was not well thought out and came off as completely egotistical with incredibly little substance. You asked for comments, and those were my thoughts on it. You look for attention a lot, you want criticism, and it was getting to the point where you were just making the same mistakes over and over again.

Man, we want you to succeed. You have been all over the place on this board, you have been gone, you have come back, you are one of the only people I know who announces these things who does not have some serious obstacle they are going through (by this I mean people leaving for the army or going to Antartica).

Hate point bandits, think you are a better basketball mind than people with more points than you, you indeed may be. But, I am not hiding behind my computer. I am saying something to you. I am sorry I hurt your feelings, it was harsh, but I really disliked how you went about that post. I dislike someone calling themselves a phenom. It is pure egotism, and it does not come up well. Say you are passionate, say you love the game, but do not belie guru status amongst yourself. Let other people call you that. You comment a lot on other peoples posts being outlandish, you dislike Scarecrow for being "outlandish" in your opinion, when you manage to get -14 points on a post, the odds are could it not be a little outlandish?

I probably took that post the wrong way, but I was not in favor of the way you went about things. You did the same thing, I respect that, but I feel you took it too heart far too much. You have basically been saying I am an idiot for writing 1000 word posts, and that you know more about basketball than I do, believe me, I could take it harshly as well, but instead I am trying to extend an olive branch and hope that maybe you will get what the points are trying to do. We could get rid of points, but I have a feeling that it could lead to way worse things than I said to you, not to mention their being less constructive criticism and more posts completely bashing someone.

Bottom line is, I believe the points are fine, and that people will take you seriously as long as you put thought into your posts when it comes to basketball. If you indeed reflect and maybe start over one more time taking a more thoughtful approach, that you would get some great feedback. I like you as being the passionate basketball fans with strong opinions, not the boastful fan on the rampage. When I see someone being boastful, I can react harshly. In this case, I felt it was warranted, and even though some of what I said was harsh, I felt that you needed to hear it.

I apologize for coming at you in a way you saw as being disrespectful. I disagreed with what you had posted, and I disagreed with the way you went about things, but I was not trying to attack your character. I have been called a lot of things on this board and have had harsh things written towards me, but I always try to come from a point of education and understanding. I urge you to read what I have written beyond the things you see as being negative, because I feel overall I am trying to kick positive things here.

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