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negative points all stars

as the one who has proven the current points system is broken more than anyone else, I have known for a long time that the posters that have negative points are just as good if not better than the ones with positive points. just because we are more intelligent and you cant keep up with our logic does not mean that we dont have intelligent points, you mock us with something meaningless, I mock you for being unable to keep up intellectually. without further adieu my starting five for the negative points all star team is

ward b - very intelligent poster who always seems to bring good points and intresting ideas

dnyce- a legend in his own time, no one can incite the masses as well as he can, if his points are meaningless why does he seem to have such a knack for irritating you?

bkknicksfan- opinionated poster but knowledgeable about the game and actually creates content people respond too

memphis madness- rookie of the year for the negative points team very new but he brings intresting perspective and knowledge and opinions about the game and isnt afraid to voice his opinion, sees things as they are

don04288- a veteran of the forums always brings a fresh and intresting perspective and asks really good questions

I apologize if I left anyone out as I am sure I did, my team has lost a lot of quality posters over the years because of a stupid thing called popularity but these people deserve attention as well


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LMAO your my 6th man of the year!

tell me off I deserve it!

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I'm guessing your the coach?

I'm guessing your the coach?

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im ok with that lol

im ok with that lol

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it is in bad taste to nominate oneself

but yes I do think I belong associated with this team

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Yes it is in bad taste

Well, I was not going to respond to this post, but someone has to say it. 13kavak, you are indeed one of the most egotistical, whiniest people on this board. Even if it is all fun and games, to actually delude yourself to believing that you are indeed more intelligent for people not respecting your posts in the least could indeed lead to debilitating problems in the real world. To blame all of your problems on everyone around you rather than taking any reflection on yourself is just an ignorant way of living your life. I do not know you, but I sincerely hope that you do not apply this method to other things you do.

As far as your all-star team, I think you do indeed mention some posters who are valuable members on this site. At the same time, they are an assault to grammar, reason and thought much more often than not. On the whole, they do the least amount of research required and are careless, which is sometimes a reason that their posts are not taken seriously. Again, I am going to list ways to improve this which is too maybe have more thought and care put into your posts.

I know, it is just a message board, and that points are meaningless in value, but they serve their purpose for the most part, and I think the most enjoyed posters for the masses tend to have points. Scarecrow even went from negative to positive, because he is an intelligent guy who gets it. Hope that you can, until than, ignorance is bliss I guess.

Plus, it is fairly obvious that you are either a) A troll or b) someone who actually wants positive recognition for their basketball cognizance. Well, right now you are all column a and no column b.

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I like Wardb, he maybe overly

I like Wardb, he maybe overly opniated at times yet he displays good basketball knowledge.

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lol with out further

lol with out further 'adieu'...? MORE intelligent?

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mikeyvthedon I dont know where to start

except politics seems like the perfect place to run your mouth off for you, and luckily for you intelligence does not nor has it ever been a place significantly known for needing intelligence. this is the man you work for? than you question other peoples intelligence? COME ON! thats highly illogical to say the very least.

was just found to have hired illegal immigrantsfor his frozen foods company that supplies a good deal of his multi-million dollar fortune. great ethics to say the very least. also hmm if you think I am the one with problems LOL has ANYONE EVER backed your opinion up of yourself as a player besides you? I dont delve into fantasy you do. you called me egotistical yet your the one that seems to have a very large ego. if I am a troll I am a troll that has been around a very long time and isnt planning on going anywhere.

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corretion

and luckily for you politics does not nor has it ever been a place significantly known for needing intelligence

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that was correction

my keyboards not the best

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Summary of the posts:

Unrelated to basketball. Next.

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If using improper grammar is

If using improper grammar is wrong, and that's what earning me negative points...then it's whatever.

All I'm saying is this: You're the ONLY one complaining about it. That " Grammar is terrible, that's the reason you have negative points" sounds like a party of one

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Sorry

Sorry 13kavak but you are wrong. I agree with you that people with negative points can still be great basketball minds. But most of them are egotistical &$#%#&@!s like yourself. Who they are smarter then other posters because the other posters do not agree with them. When really you are acting like a spoiled child who is not getting his way. Because the truth is that if 99 out of 100 are telling you that you are wrong, then odds are you are wrong. And the reason we can not follow you is not because you are smarter then others. It is because you are all over the place in your posts! Your grammar is awful! And your posts are crazy! That is why you get negatives! Not because you are smart lol.

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you know what crazy is finishing 723

in mock drafts then thinking you know anything about basketball. also hmm did you ever play basketball or you just think that your an 81 for the heck of it. I am not the delusional one.

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maybe the craziest part

we dont attack you for having points yet you attack us for not having points, giving someone a negative is stating your opinion of them but then when I start this post to give some positive feedback to unpopular posters here all of you people with positives come bashing us again, get off the hatorade. when a similar post was done awhile ago directed towards those with positive points no one came and bashed them, yet somehow you feel the need. if you know this post wasnt directed towards you than why do you choose to address it?

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What I feel about the point system

Sometimes you guys are so ignorant. I mean, mickeyv, I have seen your rants about how you think the point system is fair and is an actual determination of who is smart and who actually does their research. But, no you are wrong. I am sorry if you don't feel this way but that is the truth. Points on this site do not tell how smart you are or how much research you do. To prove this, I'm gonna tell you something that you may or may not believe. I actually do research mosts of my posts. And yet it seems that most of my points are taken as invalid or incorrect. When really that is just your opinion. You can not give negative points to someone just because you don't agree with them, we are all entitled to our own opinion. I do not think you are less coherent because you have positive points and nor do I think kavak13 is less coherent because he has negative points.

The "point system" on this site should be discontinued, plain and simple as that. Why: Because it is not a mere reflection of what you do or do not know, and nor is it a mere reflection on how funny you are. Yes, I admit some people do get "points" for this, but I do just the same thing, and what do I get, more negatives. Now I am not bragging or complaining, I actualy don't care about the points. But that is exactly the point. If the points on this site don't matter then why have them? And do not tell me that that is the only we know if a point is valid or if a poster on this site is knowledgable. That is pathetic. The fact that you have to rely on an intangible thing, such as "points", to tell you whether or not you are a smart basketball mind shows how ignorant you really are. You can just as well tell if your points are invalid by simply reading the comments on your posts. If you can't express your mind and tell someone what you think in a comment box, then that shows how even more ignorant and pathetic you are. You do not have to resort to the level of simply giving the person negatives to tell them how "stupid" they are.

Sometimes I think, do you guys even try and look at it from their point of view and try to see any positives to their points or their ideas. I don't think you do. I think once you see something totally off base and totally not your opinion, you automatically resort to giving the person negatives.

Sometimes in order to get your point across, you have to talk about the points system and whether or not you like it. Personally I think it is dumb and it would not affect me one bit if the points were discontinued. And nor should it affect anybody else. If you think that this is a unique feature on this site that actually helps, then once again you are wrong for the point I just brought up with my own experience. Ask any other person who has a negative point balance and they will tell you the exact same thing. (you could even ask people who have a positive point balance, and they will also tell you also the exact same thing)

I don't know why some people have to resort to a low level of taking away points or adding points on this site. But that's the way it is, and no one can do anything about it. (well, except for the administrator on this site) But that doesn't mean we can't bring it up and merely express our thoughts on how stupid, or smart it is.

Now I know no one is going to accept my rant, and have probably already giving me a bunch of negatives. Go ahead and resort to that level if you feel you must, it isn't going to affect me one bit. (And if you even think that I get negatives becuase of my incorrect grammar or incorrect spelling, then once again you are being pathetic and resorting to an even lower level)

I hope I made my point clear. Some people think they are just so smart, well let me tell you they have another thing coming.

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Im sorry but as irrelevant as

Im sorry but as irrelevant as points may seem, its nice to have them available sometimes. Like if I'm posting a post where I place an opinion, seeing how many thumbs up or down I get can be a valuable tool in estimating the overall opinion on what was stated.

Not to mention to some users it does mean alot...cough McDunkin cough. jk. But, IMO if points are discontinued, then I think some activity on this site would suffer. I hate that it is true but I am fairly certain it very well would be the case.

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@M-DYMES:"Like if I'm posting

@M-DYMES:"Like if I'm posting a post where I place an opinion, seeing how many thumbs up or down I get can be a valuable tool in estimating the overall opinion on what was stated."

Did you not read my rant? I covered that point. You can see if whether or not your opinon is accepted by simply reading the comments. If that is below you to comment or to read other comments then you shouldn't even be on this site. Reading the comments and posting your own can be just a valuable a tool as points are, and they should be too. Seeing how many thumbs up or thumbs down you have should not be the overall factor in determining whether or not your opinion is accepted.

If points are discontinued on this site and it does result in inactivity, then isn't that the problem? Some people have this dumb idea that points actually mean something on this site, and that if they get a negative they will whine and scream for all the world to care. They think their whole life depends on a simple intangible thing as points. And I hope this is not what you think, but regardless that is my view on the point system on this site.

I really think that the point system should be discontinued on this site and it will not have any affect on me or my activity on this site. And nor should it affect you or anybody on this site. If you think you will be affected then maybe you should reassess your priorities and see what really matters. (Not some stupid intangible thing such as points)

Again, I am not complaining. I really don't care about the points. But these things have to be brought up in order to see the real problem some posters have on this site.

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In other words this site

In other words this site needs and embraces the point whores. Dont go anywhere point whores. The system works.

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I doubt it would suffer that

I doubt it would suffer that much. Other forums don't openly show positive and negative feedback and they run just fine. It's just too easy to give someone a negative just for spite. It's easy to tell when someone goes on a negging spree and singling out people. I get negs on multiple posts for no reason sometimes. If it wasn't as easy as clicking a button, then it would be fine. On other forums, you actually have to give a short reason why you neg that person or else you can't neg them, you can't neg back to back, and you can't keep negging without giving good rep. How many points a person earns on a post could at least be hidden.

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I like that system Steroid, I

I like that system Steroid, I hope a system like that is considered for this site in the future.

Wow, I am sure glad I finally got that out of my system. Posters with negative points... UNITE!!

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I can tell everybody here exactly why they are in the negatives.

BKKnicksfan - You are in the negatives because you are too insensitive. You hold no punches. Some people respect that, but a lot of people just see you as an ego talking down to others. I like your posts and have nothing against you, but it's no mystery at all that you are in the negatives.

13kavak - mikeyvthedon nailed it. You add nothing of value to the forums, you whine way too much, you trash on other people for no reason, you'd rather blame others for your own problems, etc...

wardb12 - You're a good debater and you seem pretty smart to me, but you lack a general understanding of basketball scouting, and you miss the point in a lot of things. For example, when you called Gordon Hayward a bust only two months into the season. Another example, you FAILED to miss the point of what mikeyv was saying.

LioninHeat - You can be pretty immature at times.

The point system is indicative of popularity. Nothing more. If you have negatives than maybe you should try to be a little more political in your posts. Though I get annoyed at times, I actually admire and respect almost all of you, and I'll very rarely give out a negative point. In fact, I can pretty much catalog all the negatives I've given out over the last few months...

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LioninHeat - You can be pretty immature at times.
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Hey

No offense intended. If you don't care about points, by all means continue being a little immature. More power to you.

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This shouldn't be a popularity contest

NoMoney: I agree the points on this site are no more then a popularity thing. But that means all the more that points should be discontinued. Being on this site should not be a popularity contest. Giving feedback on this site should not be a popularity contest. Creating threads on this site should not be a popularity contest. Yet, that is exactly what it is and that only shows the problem more.

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Leaving out European Baller

Leaving out European Baller and cyclo of this wack post is like leaving out Jordan and Kareem on your top 10 players ever list.

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Mikeyvthedon "...to actually

Mikeyvthedon

"...to actually delude yourself to believing that you are indeed more intelligent for people not respecting your posts in the least could indeed lead to debilitating problems in the real world."

If you want me to summarize that:
"You're a pretty dumb poster and to even think that you're smart is ridiculous. You have negative points for a reason, not because you're too intelligent"

Hahahahahahaha! Great reply Mikey. I agree with you 100%!

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Tongue

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Weren't you in the negatives not too long ago?

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"You're a pretty dumb poster

"You're a pretty dumb poster and to even think that you're smart is ridiculous. You have negative points for a reason, not because you're too intelligent"

I guess..... I mean, not everyone with negative points are bad posters. It can't be a popularity contest, then graded by skill/knowledge. It's one or the other.

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Not throwing stones, but

Not throwing stones, but that's like saying Mikeyv is the smartest poster because he gives long detailed posts.

Not really, he just says in 1000 words, what most people say in about 15-25

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I can tell everybody here

I can tell everybody here exactly why they are in the negatives.

BKKnicksfan - You are in the negatives because you are too insensitive. You hold no punches. Some people respect that, but a lot of people just see you as an ego talking down to others. I like your posts and have nothing against you, but it's no mystery at all that you are in the negatives.

13kavak - mikeyvthedon nailed it. You add nothing of value to the forums, you whine way too much, you trash on other people for no reason, you'd rather blame others for your own problems, etc...

wardb12 - You're a good debater and you seem pretty smart to me, but you lack a general understanding of basketball scouting, and you miss the point in a lot of things. For example, when you called Gordon Hayward a bust only two months into the season. Another example, you FAILED to miss the point of what mikeyv was saying.

LioninHeat - You can be pretty immature at times.

The point system is indicative of popularity. Nothing more. If you have negatives than maybe you should try to be a little more political in your posts. Though I get annoyed at times, I actually admire and respect almost all of you, and I'll very rarely give out a negative point. In fact, I can pretty much catalog all the negatives I've given out over the last few months...

Now assess me! Read my palm NoMoney wizard of forum analysis!

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I think i can rate myself fairly

There are times where I go on a stretch where I make some pretty good posts, and most people agree with, or atleast to an extent., and then there are times where I make stupid comments or threads(such as 666 thread,my blow up with No Money which I apoligized for). I would rate myself as an average poster, even though there sometimes I don't understand why I get negatives(such as my future coaches thread), but the system helps me improve my comments so I appreciate all of weather positive or negative.

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anyone want to work on the compliments insult thing? I insult pe

I insult people who insult me only and I would dare anyone to find an example of me one time ragging on ANYONE who didnt insult me first, that is simply called defending oneself and I know of no one without the right to do that. since I am &$#%#&@! all the time PLEASE give me an example of WHEN I &$#%#&@!ed about something? anything? I compliment some of you and you insult me than you get offended if I defend myself this seems logical. I lost the popularity contest as I always do I get that but I sure did not lose the battle of the minds. nomoney you want to use and show examples of when i ragged on anyone who didnt attack me first, I am sorry that your head is as empty as a piggybanks coin slot and yes you did attack me first.

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NoMoney

NoMoney summed all you negative posters up pretty well, but like has been posted, points need to be taken with a grain of salt. McDunkin for example has like 9000+ points but 98.7% of them have come off of funny ass pictures that move or have words in them or youtube videos. Not to say his &$#%#&@! isn't funny, cuz it usually is, but I can't remember the last time the dude posted about basketball. That pretty much sums up the point issue.

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McDunkin

Wasn't taking any shots, just using you as an example. Keep posting funny issh so I can get a good laugh.

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Ha

"I insult people who insult me only and I would dare anyone to find an example of me one time ragging on ANYONE who didnt insult me first"

Here you go.

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no money- no brains

thats not an example

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There

There's another example.

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hahahaah

this is too funny

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Wow

@wardb12: You completely missed the point of what I was trying to say. You rarely do what I say the first time you post something, but you are not even on the same wave length this time.

@BKKnicksFan: Well, no one is forcing you to read them. Also, I was referring to you as not being a terrible poster, but, throwing stones is usually your forte. Must be nice for someone to acknowledge you, I tried to help when you asked for it, and I have laid off since you apparently did not want it. All I tend to say with the grammar issue is, it is hard to take someone seriously when they do not make sense. If you say what you write aloud, and it sounds unintelligent, how is that going to come across in writing? As someone who preaches he wants to be a journalist, I would take that into account. All I have been saying to you, not to mention that nomoney nails you on the head.

@13kavak: If you can not even read a profile, that is made more in jest than reality properly, than I have very little to say to you. I know who Phil Knight is, I read the news, your link did not work and I have seen you complain more about people that are liked on this site this site as opposed to making any comments on basketball. Guys, I come here to talk about basketball, that is why I post. Everything I post otherwise is in the hope that you may take something into account that could possibly improve the content of this board. If you did the same to me, I would not call you a hater, whine and complain like many of you seem too.

I write long posts because I treat most posts like an essay, in which I have a thesis I am trying to prove. May be a reason some people dislike them, but I post original content I work on and take time to do. I do this because I love basketball and I actually feel good when I am writing, and if you want to say something about that, I do not really care. I feel I am friendly, and I try to educate and understand other people, I also enjoy debating subjects, and I encourage people to debate me with evidence and arguments contrary to my posts. If you think you say and show what I do in 1000 words in 15-25, so be it.

I try to find evidence and information that I tend to feel might be missing or is relevant to a given topic or argument. If you feel otherwise, dislike my posts or do not read them. But, I for one am happy that I receive positive response from a number of posters, and for that to supposedly make me less of an intellectual is somewhat illogical. I may be a Poli-Sci major, I like to know what is going on the world and politics fascinates me, but I despise political games and I assure you, I am not part of one here. So, you are picking the wrong person to go and battle with man, I honestly have nothing else to say to you unless you at least can admit to yourself that you are not perfect and can improve.

I completely admit that, I AM NOT PERFECT, I am wrong at times, but I am not the one judging people they do not know. I never have said I am the smartest person on the site, but I have watched and studied this game for years, and I try to be confident in my knowledge. If I am egotistical for that, than I will try to be less so, but I try not to rub things in peoples faces. Just post basketball, and maybe you will find that people will like you, and you will not have this obvious anger.

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At least you're breaking up your paragraphs now, buddy. People have to respect your improvement in that area.

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Hey

I listen to my critics. When people say something bad about me or give me constructive criticism, I tend to give them a plus 1. I want to be the best I can be, and luckily, at least I have found, other people here genuinely want you to be that.

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@BKKnicksFan: Well, no one is

@BKKnicksFan: Well, no one is forcing you to read them. Also, I was referring to you as not being a terrible poster, but, throwing stones is usually your forte. Must be nice for someone to acknowledge you, I tried to help when you asked for it, and I have laid off since you apparently did not want it. All I tend to say with the grammar issue is, it is hard to take someone seriously when they do not make sense. If you say what you write aloud, and it sounds unintelligent, how is that going to come across in writing? As someone who preaches he wants to be a journalist, I would take that into account. All I have been saying to you, not to mention that nomoney nails you on the head.

- No, I had the problem with the lecturing. Trust me, I don't read the entire paragraph. I just said you can't tell me someone is great because the break down every ideal in 1000 words.

- It is pretty nice to be acknowledge. Don't know what you mean by that, but yea, it's pretty nice

-I wouldn't say unintelligent, I would say developing. Again, if you were going into college with this perfect grammar, more power to you, but not everyone was.

- I'll say this again, and again, and again

Your the ONLY person who complains about grammar on a forum. I'm being honest, it's worthless complaining. Trust me, I read my stuff, some of it 10 times before it gets published. Like I said, I'm not coming on here thinking "god, gotta use the right tenses, or, I have to make sure this word is spelled correctly" because if you understand what I'm saying, it's still a conversation.

It's busting balls and it's not even worth the time.

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I find poor grammer on forums annoying, though I doubt anybody is getting any negatives for it unless there is a SUPER obsessive-compulsive on the site (for the record, I may have a slight case of OCD).

mikeyv's grammer isn't perfect, and mine isn't either. At least the two of us make an attempt. Grammer on an Internet message board is comparable to ironing your shirt. Is it going to help you attract more women? Probably not, but it still looks nice.

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In fact, you bringing up

In fact, you bringing up Scarecrow was the most offensive part to me. I'm gonna say this, go read some of that man's post, some show little to no basketball sense, yet we see plus 3, plus 5 and so on. His trade ideas are TERRIBLE, yet he's a intelligent mind? That makes me question if your reading his stuff. Going back to you, you and him are in the same spectrum. Long posts with key words and small points to drag people in and give you a point, while 2/3 of your words mean nothing. It's filler.

Like I said, don't tell me points don't represent popularity because that's incorrect. I'll be cocky for a second, if we got points based on actual basketball skill, there would be 15 of us in positives. However, we all get to votes secretly so people can just pick and choose what's incorrect, even if it's a smart argument.

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I feel

I feel my presence is needed in this thread.

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I have a strong knowledge of

I have a strong knowledge of basketball...I just don't express it here.

Bunch of thieves.

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Good point on my boy Scarecrow. Dude needs to lay off the Thad Young and Evan Turner for JR Smith, Gallo, and Birdman idea. I have seen it and shot it down like 4 or 5 time already.

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