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Good for you. Did you notice

Good for you. Did you notice that the wolves almost won that game without Love?

Rubio went for 15 points, 10 assists, 4 rebs, 2 steals and a block. Dwill started in place of Love and got 22 and 10. Beasley got 15 off the bench. That only proves my point. We can replace Love's production. Cant replace Rubio's defense or intangibles.

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Oh and here is that sorry ass

Oh and here is that sorry ass town in Minnesota that we live in: http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-6670724.html

Perhaps it's the allure of its name.

But more likely, the 5.1-percent unemployment rate of Eden Prairie, Minn. pushed it to the top of the stack of Money Magazine's annual list of the 100 "Best Places to Live."

The jobless rate in this 64,000-strong suburb of Minneapolis is more than four points below the national average. It doesn't hurt that NFL running back Adrian Peterson lives there, with his team the Minnesota Vikings planting its practice facility and front office in the town. Other major employers are Fortune 500 trucking company C.H. Robinson and hearing-aid maker Starkey Labs.

"Why is Eden Prairie No. 1 this year? Not only is it family-friendly, it has a dynamite economy too," according the magazine.

Eden Prairie's 12.6-percent job growth between 2000 and 2009 is also encouraging, but compare it to the 124.3-percent rate of McKinney, Texas (fifth on the list) and it doesn't seem so impressive - the town is one of the fastest growing cities in the nation, having ballooned 115 percent since 2000. McKinney's recent job growth is actually negative, according to bestplaces.net.

Rounding out the top five are Columbia/Ellicott City, Md., Newton, Mass., and Bellevue, Wash.

Next time try to know what the f*ck you are talking about so you do not look like an idiot.

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Rubio, Love

I think no doubt Kevin Love is a better player in this league than Ricky Rubio is right now, but in terms of value i have to go Y2G. Only because like he said , if you have other guys that can rebound and score (even though not as well as love) then you can in some way replace the points and rebounds, but the passing and offensive fluidity that Rubio brings to the team is irreplacable and i nobody else on the team can do even adequetly in my opinion ... Its like detroit having a lot of scorers , it wouldn't really hurt them to loose Gordon or Stuckey because they kind of do the same thing , where as if they lost Prince then they wouldn't have hustle and a veteran and he is more valuable because he is one of the only guys there like that with exception of a few others.

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I understand the point you

I understand the point you guys are making, but intangilbes and finding the open guy and stuff like that-as valusble as they are to a team-does not make up the fact that Rubio shot 35% from the field, and scored 10.5 points off 9.5 attemtps per game. I won't use the metric stat for offensive rating because it's obvious it doesn't take into consideration Rubio's amazing court vision, but both Love and Rubio's defensive rating is 104, meaning per every 100 possesions, they give u 104 points. I don't think it's pace adjusted, it might, but from the numbers of other guys I've seen, that's pretty good, and if it's not pace adjusted it's even better, considering the T-Woves's rapid up and down pace.

Nbanflguy himself made a thread about Kevin Love myths, and there I believe he shared a statistic with us that said that that opponenets shoot like 35 percent or somthing on Love in the post. Rubio's defense is hard to replace, but so is Love's.

On the offensive end, I know what Rubio does for other guys, I've seen the games, how he penetrates and opends the floor, and his mastery in the fastbreak, and opening up opportunites for others. I understand how valuable that is. I also understand that they started freefalling after he got hurt. I would argue their schedule got tougher(even though they did play NO three times, they played OKC twice, LA once more, Boston, Memephis, a surging Phoenix, Denver twice, and San Antonio, although I will admit that there were some cupcakes there, but these teams were pretty good teams)and one point I want to bring up, is that JJ Barea rarely got high assist numbers in Dallas, but is it a coincidence that he's had double digit assist number his past three games? I believe the system is catered around a point guard distributing, Not saying Barea can pass liek Rubio or has the court vision that Rubio has, and I know they're still losing, but you get what I'm trying to say.

Love is averaging 26 and 13.3. Only two other players have EVER had those numbers. Shaq in 99-00, and Moses twice in the early 80s. That is frickin elite company right there. I know Rubio makes his teamates better, but a rookie Ricky Rubio is not more valuable than a 26 and 13.3 Love. Now when Rubio turns into Jason Kidd or Rondo with some semblance of a jumpshot, or he just gets better which I definatly believe he will, than he would be one of the most valuable guys in the league to a team, but until then, you can't shoot 35% from the field and still be called mroe valuable than a guy like Love especcially after what he's done all season.

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Here's Mine 1. Kyrie

Here's Mine

1. Kyrie Irving

2. Ricky Rubio

3. Brandon Knight

4. Isaiah Thomas

5. Marshawn Brooks

6. Kemba Walker

7. Klay Thompson

8. Kenneth Faried

9. Iman Shumpert

10. Tristian Thompson

Just missed. Kwahi Leonard, Markeiff Morris, Chandler Parsons and Derrick Williams

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@aamir

Fair enough. You make good points, but I am still taking Rubio. Agree to disagree.

I have seen 90% of Twolves this game and Rubio was the heart and soul of the team. On a team that didnt have the pf depth we have, Love would probably be more valuable, but not on the wolves.

Here is an article that shows how much Rubio meant to not only the wolves, but the state of Minnesota. It is way too long to post on here, but I will post some parts. http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7780080/the-loss-ricky-rubio-minnesota-timberwolves

Rubio's Ricky Jay-like passing became a regular on SportsCenter and NBA.com. The team looked like it was having fun — sharing the ball, congratulating each other after big plays. Sports Illustrated wrote a big feature on Rubio. The Minnesota Timberwolves were getting national pub and nobody in the locker room was grumbling about the Spanish rookie getting all the attention — instead, the team seemed to be basking in it.6 Then, in an inadvertent nod to Minnesota's hockey heritage, when the Wolves beat the world champs in their second week, Ricky found Anthony Tolliver for the dagger 3 on a bounce pass right through Dirk Nowitzki's five hole. He handled the ball most of the time (his 38 percent assist percentage ranked eighth in the league among point guards at the time of his injury), and in the first month of the season his shot looked better than advertised, but it was his defense that was the biggest difference maker.7 His ability to anticipate on offense translates to the other end of the court — he was among the leaders in steals before he went out. And his length (6-foot-4 with a 6-foot-9 wingspan) and technique allow him to stay off his man an extra step and contest straight up on both jump shots and drives. He made tough fourth-quarter stops against opposing guards like Tony Parker and Chauncey Billups — guys who've torched the Wolves in the past. The anti-JaVale McGee, he just looks like he knows what he's doing out there. But don't take my word for it: On the Sports Guy's podcast Larry Bird himself copped to "watching him every night."

Rubio's flashy passing never seemed to be in service to himself, only an attempt to help the team using the element of surprise. (David Kahn, Rubio's no. 1 fan, characterizes it as "efficient flair, not superficial flair.") He seemed like an antidote to the self-centered AAU-ness of not only present-day professional basketball, but to present-day kids, present-day life. As Wolves assistant coach Bill Bayno told me after practice one time, because of video games and iPads and cable TV, "I don't think as many kids in this era truly love to play the game as they did 20 years ago. But Ricky's different."

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@johnny Chill

Hey Chill, nice of you to come into this thread, call us out, be a bully, and act like an a$$hole, and then just run away and hide when we called you out. Here I found you a shirt that I think would be something you would wear.

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This isn't about who is

This isn't about who is better between Love and Rubio; Love is the better player. That being said, Rubio is probably more valuable to the team as the Wolves have plenty of depth at PF. They have guys who could step in and play relatively well with Love out. But Rubio plays the more valuable position and made other players better by giving them open looks. Ridnour is still a good option (hurt) and Barea can contribute at times, but neither have remotely the level of impact that Rubio does.

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Exactly Mdymes. Pretty much

Exactly Mdymes. Pretty much from reading this thread I have come to the conclusions that Timberwolves fans believe Rubio is more valuable and people who are not wolves fans think it is obvious that Love is more valuable.

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if love is so replaceable how

if love is so replaceable how come they cant win without him? Also if he isnt even the most valuable player on his own team i guess wolves fans have no business discussing him as mvp. I think you guys are overrating rubio a good bit. He is shooting 36% from the field and takes 9 shots to score 10 points. And for all the talk about how he creates for others, the wolves are averaging over 100 ppg in the 20 games he has missed and are a higher scoring team without him. Like you guys said, the wolves have guys who score points, so why is 8 assists so much more imprtant then love who hits shots and grabs 13 boards?

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Serious crazy debate on Love

Serious crazy debate on Love and Rubio. They are both important. They both have backups as the Wovlves still have Ridnour and Barrea to play the PG, which is at least decent. Williams can obviously handle more minutes at PF if Love were to go down as well.

But I seriously have to call out Brandon Knight being ranked third. The guy is not playing well. You are talking about 14 points and 4 assists a game on a lousy 41% shooting percentage. That is nothing. That isn't a shooting guard, that isn't a point guard. He will probably get better, but right now it isn't clear if he can even stick in the league much less be a legit starter and if he is, what position it is going to be. And you guys have him Third! Faired and Leonard need to be a lot higher. The more the Wolves struggle, the more Rubio looks like he should be number two. I'd take Shumpert over Knight right now because of his perimiter defense.

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I'm new to the discussion

I'm new to the discussion here, but it was the combo of Love and Rubio that had the team at .500, not one guy or the other. With just Love or just Rubio the Wolves are a bad team, both of them together made the Wolves repsectable again.

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^^Spideyguy and Y2G EXPOSED

It's called sleep, idiot. I'm dont thread stalk like you do.

Obviously I hit a nerve, when I called you 2 out for being shower buddies from the same sorry ass town and having the same catholic priest. But I'm not a internet bully. Your the one that is obsessed with this thread, throwing it off topic and taking things personal. You should take it easy dude.

Let me ask you this, do you think anyone get on this site takes its personal when you give them a +/- ?

How many screen names you guys make each? I got the over/under at 3 each.

Well based on you your thread stalking and littleman complex, you seem like the type that would shoot up a school or mall.

BTW you look like the guys that Sandusky molested.

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Well based on you your thread

Well based on you your thread stalking and littleman complex, you seem like the type that would shoot up a school or mall.

BTW you look like the guys that Sandusky molested.

Did you really just say that?

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I'd think it's quite obvious

I'd think it's quite obvious that being a dick got you negged, not us having imaginary accounts.

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BTW you look like the guys

BTW you look like the guys that Sandusky molested.

I am pretty sure that no pictures of Sandusky's victims have been released. So the only way you could think that we look like them is if you were yourself molested by Sandusky or if you were in the room when Sandusky molested them. If you were molested, I am very sorry. It is a shame that it happened, but I guess it explains how you got to be the person you are today. It will take years, but maybe with some therapy and a good support group you will be able to get back to normal. If in fact you were in the room with Sandusky, I hope you are brought to justice and rot in jail with a cellmate named Bubba. He will show you what Sandusky's victims felt like.

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