NBA Ball: Kyrie Irving and Bradley Beal: Overrated Passer and Shooter?
Is Kyrie Irving a Overrated Passer and is Bradley Beal an overrated shooter?
Coming out of high school Irving was known as a true point guard and excellent passer and was often compared to chris paul yet he hasnt showed the vision or passings skills that made him such an elite prospect. He obviously has had to score to ball in order for clevland to compete but hes had games this year where he just had 1 or 2 assits and 1 game where he had 0 assits in over 30 minutes. Was his passings skills overrated or has he just not shown it yet? Either way hes an elite player and perennial All Star.
Scouts thought that Bradley Beal was the 2nd coming of Ray Allen ever since his junior year of high school and everyone always raved about his shooting abilty. Yet at Florida he shot just 33% from 3 which many people(including me gave him a pass on) because his shot is just sweet and effortless to shoot that bad. and now here in his rookie season he is shooting just 29% on 3s which know can seem to understand. he is getting good shots and watching him shoot u think hes going to make everyone he takes because of his form but thats just no the case.
Kyrie as a passer is good not great, he's not overrated in that aspect. You realize his team doesn't really have a legitimate #2 option, so his situation is alot like Derrick Rose. Bradley Beal as a shooter is totally overrated; he is a good shooter but not the great one scouts say he is. So what he has a beautiful stroke so does his teammate Martell Webster and look at his shooting: inconsistent.
John Wall averaged 8 assits per game playing alongside nick young, jordan crawford, javale mcgee and andray blatche the ony players in the leauge who could do that is rondo and cp3
Yeah, I think his apg numbers are overrated because he doesn't have the offensive game to take over games.
I feel Wall's assists don't come from vision or pg instincts. he's just so damn fast that he always gets that second defender fully committing him. A lot of those come from him just running out of room for himself, and having no choice to dump it off. Paul and Rondo are always in control of their decision making in regards to pass/shoot. John Wall not so much. Imagine what he can do once he actually develops a Point guard games though. Still very high on him.
Kyrie is a good passer even though he is more of a offensive minded Pg. He has a bad team and can't depend on his team completing plays or shots. So he pretty much has to take over every game for them to have a shot of winning any game. Yeah, Bradley Beal was overrated BIG TIME.
I was never a brad beal guy.... and when I said it before the draft..... what happened?? malik got negged....
Me too. Hahaha. I was dumbfounded at how people thought he would be a better SG then Lamb and Ross.
Ross has a very real chance to be the best 2-guard from last years class.
I NEVER understood the fascination with Beal. As it has been explained here though in the past, its not that he is elite at anything but he is solid in everything and thats why the lofty rating going into the draft. Still didnt see how he was viewed as a better prospect than Barnes. I guess its his rebounding that really got people excited. He also has a mature body, better than Rivers. Skill wise, still not sure he is better than Rivers though. The Ray Allen thing though.....lol.
I don't know how to explain Beal's shooting. I mean he's got range and great form but his shots don't consistently go in.
"I don't know how to explain Beal's shooting. I mean he's got range and great form but his shots don't consistently go in."
they said the same thing about him throughout his year in college. everyone kept saying his shot is not falling right now. maybe he is just not Ray Allen and he was hyped up to be. how pretty a shot is doesnt make it go in, just like when people say someone has a broken jumper like MKG just because its not aesthetically pleasing or fundamentally sound. Well, I wouldnt teach my son to mimic Larry Bird's form if I wanted to be fundamental. Its repetition. Bird shot 1000 jumpers a day. It doesnt matter how good or bad it looks...its repetition, shooting the same way each time...thats what makes a shot go in.
I'm kind of worried with Kyrie because I've seen him go into flashes of the Lebron-Cavs-iso mode. He's so much more talented than every other player on his team (yes he has worse finishers than John Wall has on the Wizards) that he thinks for the team to win he HAS to take over the game in this way.
This could be remedied once he gets better players on his team (if that ever happens), but idk he chooses to go up for ridiculous layups instead of hitting the open man off of dumpoffs. He usually makes those layups, but I don't know if him doing that really contributes to winning basketball especially in the playoffs.
Even if he did get better teammates, I still think Kyrie is light years behind CP3 in making an offense flow and making his teammates better.
Are you really concerned about your points? But I agree that Beal was getting too much hype near the draft as the second coming of Ray Allen, that's absurd. But he is still a rookie and hasn't played one game next to Wall so verdict is still out.
I have never been impressed with Kyrie as a floor general but love his offensive game. I think CP3 and Rondo could still average 10 ast on the Cavs though.
CP3 and Rondo would average 10 dimes with the Cavs? In the Princeton offense? Running pick and rolls with Tristan and Andy? And no knock-down shooters (other than Kyrie himself).
Sometimes numbers just lie. You have to see Tristan fumble that ball to appreciate those 6 dimes Kyrie manages.
And Kyrie is rarely on the floor with Boobie. They overlap for 5 minutes, tops. That's his only shooter.
None of this nit-picking of Kyrie game will matter when he gets better options. Then, every one who once was down on his "vision" and "instincts" will suddenly come up with reasons for his improved assists totals.
@Chilbert.... i dont care to much about points haahha... but im just tryna make a point.....
I actually think Kyrie has underrated vision. You can tell btw he runs PnR. He plays at a great pace and allows the plays to develop. That's how a player is able to see a passing angle develop. I do however think that he's not an aggressive enough playmaker in terms looking to make plays for others. Often times when he's running the point, he's just taking what the defense gives him and just running the offense through it's progressions, which could be a system thing since B.Scott does run an offense with Princeton principals in it.
I did think that Beal was an overrated shooter, even coming out of HS. He's got great technique and balance, but he never struck me as a guy who could shoot well on the move. He looked like a player who had to have his feet under him to get off an accurate shot. That kinda limits him to being a catch and shoot shooter and guy who can pull up off a ball screen. Really good shooters should be more versatile in how they can get their shots off accurately.