SMH SMH SMH... this is crazzy. so i saw if Bucks win out we miss playoffs. wow, Bucks have Wiz next also... im ready to blow it up..
1. Trade Iggy- Time ti start over and build around Et, Jrue and Nik
2. Fire Collins-Players have tuned him out, im sure our new magement wants a younger coach
3. Hire Tim Legler- a Philly guy, he is young and will be a tuff coach ala scotty Brooks. Tim is always at sixer games bcuz he lives in the area, so i hope hes our coach.
4. Draft John Henson, Zeller or Sidney (2nd round). we need bigs that are tuff and are young. Henson can block shots and get out on the break with Et and Jrue.
been a horrible 2nd half of season
And if the 76ers were to listen to you it would be a bad next 10 years.
What the F happened? They seemed to be a legit playoff team early in the season, thumping teams by 20... They even ranked 3rd in the East and dominated the Atlantic Division... All of a sudden, they are barely hanging on... They just seemingly collapse right before our eyes... What the heck?!
Iggy should get moved. I don't believe he is part of the problem with what is happening, but when the crowd is Booing every sinlge time he touches the ball. What else should be done.
Damn wasn't it just a month ago that it seemed like the sky was the limit for Philly?
A lot of teams tucker downed towards the end of this season mostly because of the shortened schedule.
I agree that they need to make some moves or else they'll be stuck in mediocrity for the forseeable future, but I wouldn't be too reactionary to a dissapointing 2nd half of the season.
So you want to trade your best player? You want to fire a coach that helped make your team relevant for the first time in a decade and a half and bring in an ESPN analyst? You finish it up by drafting players that might play 10 minutes a game if they work out?
We HAVE to win tomorrow against the Cavs! If we lose, I might go down to Wells Fargo and burn my rally towels lol.
Our playoff chances actually looked solid when we were out to the fast start. But now, I just hope we win one if we make it.
I'll agree with you on trading Iggy. He's got value and the Iggy experiment is over. ET is a capable point forward or you can keep ET at the 2 and then have Thad in the starting SF spot. If we trade Iggy, it's gotta be for either a scorer or a big man. (examples - Kevin Martin, Josh Smith, Rudy Gay, draft picks, etc)
I'll have to disagree with the coaching move. Collins got a lot out of his players in the first half and last year. The only thing that worries me about Collins is his rotations (aka not playing Lavoy and Nic more often, starting Jodie one week, the ET, then back to Jodie, then back to ET, Lou Williams being our 1st, 2nd, and 3rd option in the 4th quarter). With that being said, I still would give Coach Collins another season regardless of what happens. I blame the players more than anything. We were playing so great and all that was because of Coach IMO. Legler? I like the dude but I've rather have Nate McMillan or SVG if he's avaliable but I think we're fine with Coach Collins.
2. Fire Collins-Players have tuned him out, im sure our new magement wants a younger coach
I can't point out what is wrong with this team, other than them needing a Center. But still that isn't enough to cause this kind of collaps.
What happened was the Sixers got to a tougher part of their schedule. The first 20 games or so of their season was against mostly sub .500 teams, then the rest of the season was mostly against avove .500 teams. Most of the sub .500 teams games were home games. Also teams started to try harder towards the end of season inorder to make the playoffs, consequently playing better than the Sixers were. The Sixers played so hard at the beginning of the season that they literally ran out of gas towards the end. If the Sixers had younger players they would be in a much better position, but holding on to Brand and Iggy for so long has hurt the Sixers. Yes, they need to trade these 2 as well as Hawes, but they should keep Doug Collins. Don't fault him for getting the best out of his players at the beginning of the season, then giving young guys more minutes consequently losing more games then they would probably would have had he have gone with more experienced players. Yes, the sixers have fallen apart but its not because they aren't listening to Coach Collins. There is more than meets the eye. Give Collins another year and see if next year they can improve. Remember the busy, busy schedule was also a reason for this. Not very many breaks. This kind of scheduling rewards hurts alot of team's stamina. The sixers were just one of those teams with not enough stamina to last throughout the entire fast 66 game season.
Just a random thought, do you think the Thunder would ever do a Harden + Aldrich trade for Iggy and Hawes?
Doubtful. The ONLY way I could ever see that type of trade happening was if the Thunder was 100% positive that Harden wasn't going to re-sign with them.
The problem is that the Sixers are over rating their talent, and under rating Iggy. I know his contract is just awful, but he's showed consistensy in his outside shot, and is in the running for DPOY. I'de keep Iggy, and try to resign him when his contract is up for cheaper.
I'de also deside what to do with Evan Turner. Personally I think he would be best as a huge PG, and really gives them some needed size. This also gives them the chance to aquiar a better shooting guard. Lets face it, you guys are going no where with Jodie Meeks as your starting SG. If they miss the playoffs Austin Rivers or Ross would be a real upgrade. The only downsize of this move would be that they would have to move Jrue to the bench. He could take the role of Lou Williams, and could score and run a good offense.
Lastly you need to figure out what to do with the bigs. The Sixers got a few good pieces in Hawes who would be a great big off the bench, and Vucevic who seems to be a good young player that could take over for Brand. If the Sixers do miss the playoffs would they trade one of Turner/Holiday to move up and get a Drummond or Robinson? They have a lot of talent, so it shouldn't be to hard to figure things out, and get back on track
We simply don't have the fire power to be a contender. We have too many players who have more success being ball dominant drivers and distributors. We need a legit scorer, beyond that of Lou Williams. Also either ET or Iggy has to go. They are too similar and we need some different skill sets from our starter caliber players.
I'd like to see Holiday get more consistent control of the offense, as I feel it is most efficient when he truly gets to run PG. He is very talented but his play is limited due to all of our playmakers. We need to surround him with some shooter at the 2 and 3. All of our 2/3 with exception of Williams and Meeks are not shooters.
If you want to win you need talented scorers no matter how great your team play and D is. You have to compete with teams who have the Durants, James, Melos, Bryants, Wades of the league because you simply can't just play great D and shut them down night in and night out.
Collins didnt ant Turner anyways.Its been stated he wanted Favors
It's I MAY Be Wrong CavsFan.
Get it right get it tight mah brotha.
true collins wanted favors.... but this site is funny, only true sixers fans know what we need to do, we will not get out the first for years if we dont blow it up... come on, dosent anyone on this site know basketball.... Iggy is not the answer, Doug is Old, i like Nate Mcmill but i think Legler has to be the guy. We have new MAANGEMENT, think about it. they want to make themselves look good, they jus bought the team and this is the product they are getting?? haha, i think from a grown man standpoint and a NBA Gm.. not fan. Collins only has 1 year left and we need a new face... look at all the teams except Sa and Memphis.. they have young fireed up coaches and excitng players that score more then 20 ppg... WAKE UP PEOPLE PLEASE
I said it before. This team will be stuck in mediocrity. I like Iguodala but they need to trade him if they want to move forward. I also think they should build around Jrue, ET and Nik. In my opinion ( after trading Iguodala ) they should amnesty Elton Brand go for Nicolas Batum. . He's a decent 3 point shooter, nice defender and he doesnt need the ball in his hands like Iguodala does. Then they should draft do something with their starting power forward spot. I think they should pick up Sullinger or Henson in the draft and play them in the starting lineup from the very begining. Doug Collins is a great coach but I dont think that he can pass the 1 round of the playoffs with this team. As a Sixers fan I'm happy with the things that are happening now with this team. This team needs to make some moves and people have forgotten about this when they started the season well but I hope that now their eyes opened up.
"Doug is Old"
When does age have anything to do with how well somebody can coach? Hell, Spoelstra should be the greatest coach of all time if that was the case. Doug Collins is only 60... does that mean you would HATE to have Phil Jackson (66) to coach your team? What about Gregg Popovich (63)? Pat Riley (67)?!
I was watching the game last night, and at the end of the game, the Sixers were huddled up down 3 with like 5.4 ticks to go. None of the players were looking at Collins. They were just glancing around the arena, heads in the air, no one tuning him in. I want him gone simply because I don't think he's a good coach.
We have gone nowhere with Iggy as our best player, so it makes sense to trade him if we can get younger, and some picks. I know it seems stupid to rely on Turner, and Holiday. However, we have tried with Iggy, failed, and now it's time to move forward with the young kids. We are in the dreaded middle. The worst place in the NBA. We aren't bad enough to get the #1 pick, and we aren't good enough to contend for the title.
I would not hire Tim Legler. @Tongue-Out-Like-23, I know you are trying to prove that age doesn't matter, but comparing Collins to Pop, Jackson, and Riley is crazy. He's nowhere near as good of a coach as they are.
@hubhub, amnestying Brand doesn't make sense to me. He will be an expiring contract next season, what's the point of amnestying him for Nicolas Batum? If he had two or three years left, then I think amnestying him makes sense. But only one more year, and you're going to pay him anyway. Might as well pay him to be there IMO. I like Batum, but the Sixers should have the cap space to sign him anyway even if they keep Brand.
We should hire a coach who will let these guys run because let's just assume they signed Batum, traded Iggy. Drafted John Henson like it says in the Mock, then we'd have:
Holiday, Turner, Batum, Young, Vucevic as our starting 5, with Williams, Henson, and some more role players off of the bench. It's very young, and it could completely implode. If it does, then we can get a good pick. If the players actually play well, and develop, we'll have something to build on. We need to press the reset button, I think every Sixers fan would agree with that.
EDIT - This doesn't include the pieces we get for Iggy. I'm not going to try and determine his value, and what we could get for him simply because I'm not sure what we can get for him.
If I was looking at potential trade destinations for Iggy, I think Minnesota would be a good trade partner. They need a 2 guard.
Turner for Tyreke! Let Reke run the 2 and learn to play D with Iggy. Amnesty Brand and grab Ryan Anderson. Keep Hawes. Let Jrue, Anderson and Hawes spread the floor and drive teams nuts with an inverted offense and still all-world D.
PulseGlazer, why would the Kings accept that trade?
rwd5035 - Do not question anything the Kings do or think about doing. I quit trying to figure out their thinking years ago and have become a better man because of it.
Beasley for Iggy would have made all the sense in the world.
It would give Philly a potential 20+ ppg scorer who could also potentially replace Brand at the 4 over time. They also could have gotten rid of his contract and opened up more consistent PT for ET.
For Minny, essentially I think Beasley is going to be lost regardless so Minny could have gotten a great 3 (SF, Iggy doesn't have the shooting prowess to be a legit 2) who would bring D, aggression, leadership, and would have been a great floor running mate with Rubio. Minny has D-Will, Love, and could keep Randolph and still be stacked at the 4, while giving D-Will more opportunities to develop and showcase his talent.
Turner needs to be a 1 and the Kings need a 1. His size also allows him to be effective with both Thomas and Jimmer in the backcourt or with Thornton in a bigger unit.
Gotta Ride it out and see what you can get for Iggy which is probally a bag of buffalo nickels (value wise).
If you Amnesty Brand there is no one out in FA so I would wave Iggy aaround Utah and try to get one of their bigs and a pick or swap picks with Iggy. If you get rid of Brand and Iggy you have no leadership in your locker which makes the situation worse. Retool in the summer knowing you have got rid of Iggy and Brand is off the books at the end of the year. Spencer Hawes is 4m and Nocioni is 6mil off ...you got 10 to chase Kaman... draft Wroten, Tony Mitchell or Royce White...an d whatever you can get for Iggy within reason or you wait until he and Brand are off the books ...Gotta Keep Collins though..
draft Wroten? do you really think they need another player who is most effective with the ball?
You have no other bad contract on the Sixers team so if you amnesty Brand you get even more cap space to add some missing pieces. I agree that when you trade Iguodala, amensty Brand no will be no veteran leadrship which is important. It may cause them even a season without playoffs but I, as a fan i'd rather have them loosing throughout the next season getting a nice draft pick and another talent to the team because I dont like mediocrity. I want my team to be the best and the Thunder example has shown that you have to loose some games to become elite. For now I see that with this roster they will not go further than the 1 round of the playoffs.
In my perfect scenario I see the 76ers signing Batum. He would fit perfectly to the team and I'm sure Collins is very high on him because he's a proven defender, can score, can shoot the 3 and I think that, that is what the 76ers need from their starting small forward if they would put Holiday and Turner at the 1 and 2 spot. The next thing I would love to happen ( I know that there is a really slight chance that it may happen ) is the 76ers getting Favors from Utah for Iguodala and their first rounder. Iguodala fits very nicely to the Jazz and they have a lot of talent at the 4 and 5 and if they will stick with Millsap and Jefferson in the starting lineup maybe there is a chance to get Favors.
pg : Holiday
sg : Turner
sf : Batum
pf : Favors
c : Vucevic
Thats what I would love to see.
Just players availible when they draft or that they can trade those 2 #2 picks. I can see Batm in a Sixers uniform
hubhub, You can trade Iggy for Favors (which I like) + picks, and sign Batum.. Then, you could still keep Brand. I just don't see the point in amnestying someone who has one year left on their deal when the FA market isn't that great. Iggy's contract is due $14.72 million next year. We already lose $18 million in contracts, cap around $58 million again will have us down to $49 million. A trade of Iggy to the Jazz for Favors, Bell (expiring), 1st round pick should work (correct me if I'm wrong).
Batum will probably get 4 for $34/35 million IMO, and we could still offer that if we do the above trade.
In the scenario when the 76ers get Favors for Iguodala Philadelphia will have Brand, Favors, Young and Allen. Assuming that Young will get his 30mpg ( he totally deserves it ) and he plays them all at PF ( if they play with Brand he plays the center which I dont like, it doesnt work, thats my opinion ) you have 18mpg left at this position. I would be much more happy if Favors got them all ( i would also see him getting around 15min at the 5 ). It that situation its clear that you dont need Brand. I want the 76ers to play with their young guys and if Favors would come he would be certainly be one of them. If thats necessary I would give Batum 40m/4years because you have to remeber that he is restricted and Portland will want to keep him for sure. Then still you have some money left to sign some other guys. If Hawes leaves the will need to ad a center.
Don't blame Doug Collins now that things aren't going well. He's a great coach.
Truth is, the 76ers were "Fool's Gold". They were one of the few teams to start the season in great physical shape and they just blitzed teams early with their defensive pressure, etc. Eventually teams were going to catch up.
Truth is, this team doesn't have a go-to player down the stretch of a game. And they're not all that good in the half-court either. IF you don't turn the ball over and allow them to get out in transition, they're really not a great offensive team (24th offensive team in the league). I've also never had faith that this team can win big games on the road.
The 76ers have lacked a go to scorer, their highest scorer is a great impact bench guy in Williams but he isn't a go to 20 to 25ppg player. I could see Utah perhaps looking to move one of their big menn and Favours would perhaps be the logical one as Milsap and Jefferson are starters and they drafted Kanter themselves.
One idea that occured to me is if say Toronto got a shot at Anthony Davis and with Valanciunas due to come over could Bargnani be in play and maybe used in a swap deal with Iggy. But the trouble is they are in the same division so that could be a sticking point.
What makes Doug Collins a great coach though? I mean, he's an above average coach, but what elements make him great? The word "great" gets thrown around so haphazardly I wonder if people stop to look at his resume. He's never won his conference, he's never won a division title, he's 405-358 in his NBA career, 16-27 in the playoffs. In 6 of his 8 seasons he's not been out of the first round or missed the playoffs entirely. That's not a resume of a great coach. Like I said, above average, yes. Great? No.
Hitster, I could see a trade for Bargnani potentially working out, but I don't think he'd fit the Sixers team. We already have jump shooting big men in Hawes (although I don't expect him back next year), Brand, Vucevic, whatever Lavoy Allen does because what Lavoy Allen does is not on the block. The Sixers need a big man, but one who can do some things on the block. That's why I think a Derrick Favors, Raja Bell's expiring + 1st round pick for Iguodala makes a lot of sense for us.
There is zero chance Utah trades Favors for Iggy.
Utah has too many bigs, we need to trade Iggy. It's a good trade partner.
Sure, but not for Favors who was the centerpiece in a Deron Williams trade. Deron is far better than Iggy and Favors, a former #2 pick, is really coming into his own defensively. He won't be traded for anyone less than a franchise changing talent.