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  • #31164
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    Memphis Madness
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    I really think that all NBA teams need their own D League teams and the NBA draft should be expanded to about 4 rounds.  … teams say they want role players and intangibles guys who hustle, play smart, and are mature but then they don’t draft them.  Then each team would draft a guy they can use right away with a first round pick then some 4 year college guys and a couple of projects with their other picks.  Then put those guys in the D League let them figure it out then call up the best players in a year or two.

    All the later picks can use the D League to work  on their fundamentals and expand their game.

    I don’t think the D League is being used well.  There’s a TON of basketball talent both here and overseas and there’s as much secondary talent here as there is on decent European teams.

    What I would do is have a supplemental territorial draft after the 4 rounds in the NBA draft to get some of those local 4 year talents who can play in a system — one round of that and maybe another 1 round to draft other guys who have had more non-traditional careers.  Then play with the Red, White, and Blue ball like the old ABA.  Bring some innovations like a 4 point line.  Have an expanded all-star game with a rookie-sophomore game, a HORSE competition, an NBA legends game, a 3 point contest, a 4 point contest, a regular all-star game, and a slam dunk contest with some more players (6 D League guys versus 2 street guys/And One guys).  Win the slam dunk title get some solid money and a championship belt.  Same with the HORSE titles, 3 point title, and the 4 point titles.  Give the all-star team winners a bonus.  

    Another thing I would do is play an exhibition game against the NBA parent team, and another exhibition game against a mid-level European team.  I would do a preseason tournament in Las Vegas with 8 teams (winner gets an extra draft pick and a team bonus), and another one in NYC at Madison Square Garden (winner gets an extra draft pick and a team bonus).

    Then get some better TV deals. 

    The D League will have to expand to other cities.  I would go to some bigger cities like Las Vegas, Kansas City, Nashville, Lexington and Louisville, Kentucky, Baltimore,Tampa, San Jose, San Diego, and Anaheim, California.  I would then try to get a prime D League team in Seattle and maybe one in Vancouver, Canada.  Those cities could support a secondary basketball league along with the current D League towns. 

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  • #555334
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    NiceWithTheRock
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    These are modest proposals? I agree they could better utilize the d league but you lost me after that…..

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  • #555384
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    NiceWithTheRock
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    These are modest proposals? I agree they could better utilize the d league but you lost me after that…..

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  • #555342
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    If they need a minor league then it would make sense for every NBA team to have its own D League team. 

    I listed some cities that need an basketball team.  I also listed some minor innovations that would help generate interest and revenues.

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  • #555392
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    If they need a minor league then it would make sense for every NBA team to have its own D League team. 

    I listed some cities that need an basketball team.  I also listed some minor innovations that would help generate interest and revenues.

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  • #555354
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    kngojc
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     It would be phenomenal if the NBA could have a farm system for every team much like the MLB but the fact is, the DLeague as it is loses a ton of money. The NBA obviously isn’t doing so hot either. Having all those things would be terrific and it would give the NBA a great chance to innovate the game through the lower leagues trying to change rules or do certain things in different ways.. It’s a great idea to have these things because then we would see guys that should get drafted, that have that Kenneth Faried type play where its all hustle, and they would get drafted. I would honestly love to see this happen but I think the only way this could work was if it was in the next CBA saying that there will be a smaller salary cap and because of that, all owners pay less to their NBA guys but get a farm system going to get teams like the Lakers to be good and stay good over longer periods of time because they have a larger talent pool. I think it would definitely benefit all or most NBA teams having a DLeague team to put some of the projects where they know they would be going up against better competition and have them start playing the "USA" style game.

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  • #555404
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    kngojc
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     It would be phenomenal if the NBA could have a farm system for every team much like the MLB but the fact is, the DLeague as it is loses a ton of money. The NBA obviously isn’t doing so hot either. Having all those things would be terrific and it would give the NBA a great chance to innovate the game through the lower leagues trying to change rules or do certain things in different ways.. It’s a great idea to have these things because then we would see guys that should get drafted, that have that Kenneth Faried type play where its all hustle, and they would get drafted. I would honestly love to see this happen but I think the only way this could work was if it was in the next CBA saying that there will be a smaller salary cap and because of that, all owners pay less to their NBA guys but get a farm system going to get teams like the Lakers to be good and stay good over longer periods of time because they have a larger talent pool. I think it would definitely benefit all or most NBA teams having a DLeague team to put some of the projects where they know they would be going up against better competition and have them start playing the "USA" style game.

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  • #555399
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    jonus grumby
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    If I was king I would do away with college schorships and have college basketball like college baseball (yes I know there are some college baseball schorships).  The Ivy League doesn’t have athletic schorships.  I mean one and done athletes are just making a mockery of pretending to be student athletes.  Have it written into D league contracts that there would be a pool of $$ to pay players to go to a state school if they choose to within 4 years of entering D league.  Let the teams draft players out of HS and then young men can earn money so we don’t need to discuss paying college athletes. 

    I like the idea of a useful D league.

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  • #555451
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    jonus grumby
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    If I was king I would do away with college schorships and have college basketball like college baseball (yes I know there are some college baseball schorships).  The Ivy League doesn’t have athletic schorships.  I mean one and done athletes are just making a mockery of pretending to be student athletes.  Have it written into D league contracts that there would be a pool of $$ to pay players to go to a state school if they choose to within 4 years of entering D league.  Let the teams draft players out of HS and then young men can earn money so we don’t need to discuss paying college athletes. 

    I like the idea of a useful D league.

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  • #555434
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    I think each D League team should have an NBA affiliate but they could sell separate D League franchises where an independent ownership group owns the D League team (I think this is what happens in minor league baseball), and can innovate and market on its own.  A great D League team in a city like Kansas City or Nashville or San Jose could actually make more money than its NBA affiliate team.  

    Memphis has a good AAA baseball team with a great minor league stadium but it is owned by an independent ownership group, not the St. Louis Cardinals (the Redbirds’ MLB affiliate).  Minor league teams would obviously have a lower salary cap than NBA teams.  

    Not sure how trades and stuff would work, but I guess in baseball the big league clubs make the trades, not the minor league teams (even if minor league players are involved).  I am not sure if minor league clubs can sign their own guys, maybe only the big league teams can sign guys (then send them to the minors).  But, I think that the rest of the operations are carried out by the local owners with some input from the big league teams. 

    The NBA would sell minor league franchises and then assign them to an NBA team as an affiliate.  The NBA team would have the scouts, and make trades and signings but the rest of the D League operations would be handled by the D League team and ownership group.

    … the Memphis Redbirds are affiliated with the Cardinals but they are owned by someone else and run by another company not the big league franchise.

    link:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memphis_Redbirds

     

    If anyone else knows about how minor league baseball works let me know!

     

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  • #555487
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    I think each D League team should have an NBA affiliate but they could sell separate D League franchises where an independent ownership group owns the D League team (I think this is what happens in minor league baseball), and can innovate and market on its own.  A great D League team in a city like Kansas City or Nashville or San Jose could actually make more money than its NBA affiliate team.  

    Memphis has a good AAA baseball team with a great minor league stadium but it is owned by an independent ownership group, not the St. Louis Cardinals (the Redbirds’ MLB affiliate).  Minor league teams would obviously have a lower salary cap than NBA teams.  

    Not sure how trades and stuff would work, but I guess in baseball the big league clubs make the trades, not the minor league teams (even if minor league players are involved).  I am not sure if minor league clubs can sign their own guys, maybe only the big league teams can sign guys (then send them to the minors).  But, I think that the rest of the operations are carried out by the local owners with some input from the big league teams. 

    The NBA would sell minor league franchises and then assign them to an NBA team as an affiliate.  The NBA team would have the scouts, and make trades and signings but the rest of the D League operations would be handled by the D League team and ownership group.

    … the Memphis Redbirds are affiliated with the Cardinals but they are owned by someone else and run by another company not the big league franchise.

    link:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memphis_Redbirds

     

    If anyone else knows about how minor league baseball works let me know!

     

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  • #555533
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    The MLB teams have all the say in the minors when it comes to the players, they decide when they move up from A advances single A, double A, and Triple A to the majors, or wheather they trade them to another team, they sign the players to major league contracts when they draft them but the contracts are deferred until they come up to the majors for the first time or get added to the 40 man roster. Then they can only be sent back down to the minors and brought back up a certain number of times before they become eligble for the Rule Five Draft where another team can pick them up. While in the minors they get paid a small amount of money each month depending on what level they are at.

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  • #555480
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    The MLB teams have all the say in the minors when it comes to the players, they decide when they move up from A advances single A, double A, and Triple A to the majors, or wheather they trade them to another team, they sign the players to major league contracts when they draft them but the contracts are deferred until they come up to the majors for the first time or get added to the 40 man roster. Then they can only be sent back down to the minors and brought back up a certain number of times before they become eligble for the Rule Five Draft where another team can pick them up. While in the minors they get paid a small amount of money each month depending on what level they are at.

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  • #555553
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    I dont know about 4 rounds, maybe some supplemental picks, like for instance, The Cavs, Raptors, Suns, and Jazz would all get supplemental picks because they lost key players through free agency. Not 60 more picks, but 10-15 more would be nice, because it would be nice to see a guy like David Lighty or Scotty Hopson get picked. 

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  • #555500
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    I dont know about 4 rounds, maybe some supplemental picks, like for instance, The Cavs, Raptors, Suns, and Jazz would all get supplemental picks because they lost key players through free agency. Not 60 more picks, but 10-15 more would be nice, because it would be nice to see a guy like David Lighty or Scotty Hopson get picked. 

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  • #555557
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    robertfreeman,

    ok, that’s what I thought.  The big league team makes the player decisions (draft, sign, trade, etc.) but I think that the minor league teams are in charge of buying their own team and spending money to run, manage, and market it.  I think that the local ownership group retains some control on how things are down with the team.  The Memphis Redbirds aren’t really owned by the St. Louis Cardinals, but I am not sure if other minor league teams are DIRECTLY owned and managed by the major league club (apart from player personnel decisions).  … it seems like scouting is done through the major league club, but I am not sure if a scout or two is assigned to the minor league teams.  

    With the NBA and the revamped D League their will only be one minor league level instead of three (baseball has AAA, AA, and single A) so assigning players in the NBA and calling them up won’t be as complicated.  

    Right now there are too many good basketball prospects who either quit playing basketball after they don’t get drafted or the go play in Europe or somewhere else overseas.  So the D League would help bring some of those guys back.  I think effectively run minor league basketball teams in big markets will make money for the NBA so teams can spend more on salaries for D Leaguers.  NBA teams could even go out and sign some mid-level European basketball player to a decent size contract and get him over here and let him develop in the D League which would more resemble the NBA game.

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  • #555504
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    robertfreeman,

    ok, that’s what I thought.  The big league team makes the player decisions (draft, sign, trade, etc.) but I think that the minor league teams are in charge of buying their own team and spending money to run, manage, and market it.  I think that the local ownership group retains some control on how things are down with the team.  The Memphis Redbirds aren’t really owned by the St. Louis Cardinals, but I am not sure if other minor league teams are DIRECTLY owned and managed by the major league club (apart from player personnel decisions).  … it seems like scouting is done through the major league club, but I am not sure if a scout or two is assigned to the minor league teams.  

    With the NBA and the revamped D League their will only be one minor league level instead of three (baseball has AAA, AA, and single A) so assigning players in the NBA and calling them up won’t be as complicated.  

    Right now there are too many good basketball prospects who either quit playing basketball after they don’t get drafted or the go play in Europe or somewhere else overseas.  So the D League would help bring some of those guys back.  I think effectively run minor league basketball teams in big markets will make money for the NBA so teams can spend more on salaries for D Leaguers.  NBA teams could even go out and sign some mid-level European basketball player to a decent size contract and get him over here and let him develop in the D League which would more resemble the NBA game.

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  • #555571
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    The way I would like the D league to work is that players can be drafted at 18 but have to play in the minors until they are 20, they get paid by the Dleague team, which is a seperatly run entity then the NBA team that runs it, for example the Rio Grande Valley Vippers could be owned by Bill Gates who would pay the players 600 a month plus per diem for away games, and the team that drafted them would give them a signing bonus that they would use to supplement thier income and they would sign a deferred contract upon being darfted like in the MLB. If they chose college it would be the same as it is now just one year til they can be drafted and play. The NBA would have no money tied up in it and would make no profit.

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  • #555518
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    The way I would like the D league to work is that players can be drafted at 18 but have to play in the minors until they are 20, they get paid by the Dleague team, which is a seperatly run entity then the NBA team that runs it, for example the Rio Grande Valley Vippers could be owned by Bill Gates who would pay the players 600 a month plus per diem for away games, and the team that drafted them would give them a signing bonus that they would use to supplement thier income and they would sign a deferred contract upon being darfted like in the MLB. If they chose college it would be the same as it is now just one year til they can be drafted and play. The NBA would have no money tied up in it and would make no profit.

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  • #555526
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    The minor league teams don’t do any signing of players they are just given players and told good luck, the managers and pitching coaches are chosen by the parent club so that they fit in with the teams ideals and know how they want things down. Like the Lakers would obviously want their affiliate to run the triangle offense.

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  • #555579
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    The minor league teams don’t do any signing of players they are just given players and told good luck, the managers and pitching coaches are chosen by the parent club so that they fit in with the teams ideals and know how they want things down. Like the Lakers would obviously want their affiliate to run the triangle offense.

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  • #555538
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    NYFLAVA2K9
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    I like some of the ideas, except that 4 point line… I like the way the basketball is strategically played now. I would hate to see my team decide lets take the quick 4 pointer instead of taking the 3 and fouling. Also I would hate to see my team lose to a team by a 4 pointer.

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  • #555591
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    I like some of the ideas, except that 4 point line… I like the way the basketball is strategically played now. I would hate to see my team decide lets take the quick 4 pointer instead of taking the 3 and fouling. Also I would hate to see my team lose to a team by a 4 pointer.

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