It's insane how the Lakers get the best players whenever they want. They re-load at will, they make lop-sided trade after lop-sided trade, getting the best players while giving up little to nothing, it really isn't fair at all. They basically swap Bynum for Dwight, while also getting other assets. Rob Hennigan is already worse than Otis Smith, it's like he literally WANTS the Lakers to win the title. He throws 3 deals out the window in which the Magic would be getting a good package, but yet trades him to the Lakers and gets only Aaron Afflalo and Al Harrington??? The NBA is completely whack. (Sorry, I'm still venting on the fact that yet ANOTHER superstar has whined his way to get what he wants)
I still find it odd how the magic declined Houstons HUGE trade offer yet they accept the 4 way trade with LA where they barely shed any bad contracts, gave up the best center in the NBA, and only get crappy draft picks and semi good young players in return( vucevic is a future back up bigman while harkless is still a question mark).
I think the Magic thought they could get a better deal than the Houston one at draft time/before summer league and when the realized they couldn't Houston was likely not interested in making a deal with them anymore.
I'm glad Houston didn't make the deal, they should be an exciting team to watch this year.
Keep in mind that the Magic don't even RECIEVE a player on the Lakers aquad, while gifting the Lakers with Dwight, a decent back up PG in Duhon and a young piece in Earl Clark. Title hopes go down to four teams, Heat, Celtics, Lakers, Thunder, nobody else even has an outside shot of winning the title.
Josh McRoberts doesnt count huh? Really he doesnt count, he's a backup's backup.
They also got Christian Eyenga to go along with Josh McRoberts, so that's two Lakers coming to them.
cant forget the spurs to
Kwame for Pau
Bynum for Howard
Nash for picks
The list goes on and on. Its ridiculous, maybe we should just have a 5 team league and put all the good players on The Lakers, Heat, Boston, Knicks, and Bulls.
Please don't forget that the Grizzlies also got Marc Gasol for Pau Gasol. When the trade happened it seemed ridiculous but Marc Gasol is a really good player and one of the leagues best centers so it isn't nearly so lopsided as some other deals.
Bynum for Howard is pretty fair though. The Lakers dealt Bynum who is the leagues second best center, Christian Eyenga, Josh McRoberts, a future first round pick, and a future second round pick for Howard who is the leagues best center. Not that lopsided. The bad part is the Magic didn't bother taking back Bynum and they didn't even get the third best player in the trade coming their way.
and have a REAL hard cap... as in "you literally can't go above this number no matter what" hard cap... as in "no more loopholes" hard cap... as in "lets atleast TRY to be fair" hard cap...
Which process &$#%#&@! you off more?
1. Miami where 3 superstars hold their own back stage meeting and go to one team. Then have vets sign for a bad of cheetos inorder to steal a ring.
2. Lakers trading a bag of cheetos for all-stars as mentioned above.
The 4yr/24 million dollar deal the HEAT gave Mike Miller after signing the big 3 is not a bag of cheetos
You pick the ONLY over paid player on the entire team to try and make your point?
Ray Allen- Ridiculously Underpaid
LBJ/Wade/Bosh- All took less money.
Literally the entire team OTHER than Miller gets paid less than what other teams would be willing to pay them.
Were you complaining when Boston got Kevin Garnett for two bags of chips and a soda? Al Jefferson has turned out to be good, but not with the T-Wolves.
He was pretty good in Minnesota, he just got hurt. I mean Minnesota got like half a roster, even if only one of those guys turned out to be starter material.
The difference between the two trades is:
Boston gave up 5 players and 2 firsts for just Kevin Garnett. Jefferson was like 24 and very promising, Gomes was a starter the year before, Telfair and Green were very high upside guys. That's a 7 for 1 swap.
The Lakers got the best center in the NBA and 2 backups, for a backup big, a 1st round pick and losing the 2nd best center in the NBA (but he didn't even go to Orlando). They gave up 3 and got 3 including the best player in the deal.
lets take a few things into consideration here, bynum is an all-star and imo will be just as good as dwight. They just have different roles and dwight's fits the lakers needs much more then bynum did. Its not like they gave up crumbs. The fact orlando didnt land him doesnt mean the lakers didnt give up a lot.
As for the pau trade, mark gasol turned out into a pretty damn nice return piece.
nash wasnt really traded for picks so much as he was a unrestircited fee agent who chose the lakers and picks were included just to make it happen since phoenix risked losing him for nothing.
I dont blame people for rooting against the lakers as the lakers do have the advantage of players wanting to come here and more and more we are seeing the players flex their muscles on what they wanto to do and where they want to go in the nba. But it aint shady stuff, just lakers running a nice franchise.
The Celtics actually GAVE UP ALOT for Kevin Garnett, as where the Lakers give up Bynum and literally nothing else and get Dwight and other solid pieces, so this is nothing like The Big 3 in Boston. NEXT!
"the Lakers give up Bynum and literally nothing else"
they gave up a future pick and took on duhons contract. Duhon was not an nba caliber player last season and his inclusion was to the magic's benefit.
People negging this post must not understand the definition of "literally". It always makes me laugh whenit is overused like " I literally died out there trying" or " the lakers literally gave up nothing else" when they did. Obviously Bynum is the only real thing of major value the team gave up, but try using the word "basically" or "practically" because literally doesnt fit and always make me laugh when used out of context.
Don't know who signed off the deal for the Magic, was it entirely the new GM or did other front office staff or the new coach have a say. The pick from the Lakers isn't for 5 years and basically Denver give up the worse of their two picks n 2014 and does anyone know when the Philly pick is due to Orlando as they already owe one to Miami so that could be 2015.
If Orlando want to see how to rebuild after losing a star maybe look at the Cavs, sure results haven't go their way yet but Chris Grant accumulated a load of picks and has given himself numerous draft options over maybe a 5 year window.
Also the Magic still have Turko under contract!
Their picks mean nothing. When was the last time the Lakers had a high draft pick? They might as well be second rounders. Plus taking on Duhon's contract isn't really hard when your willing to go 20 mil over the hard cap...
If Sam Presti has the scouts from the Spurs and Thunder or the scouting chops that they have then these first round picks could turn out great. The Spurs and Thunder have turned late picks into solid pieces, the Spurs have a longer track record drafting Tony Parker late first round, Manu Ginobilli in the late second round, Luis Scola in the late second round, and their are other examples these being the best. The Thunder drafted Serge Ibaka in the late first round. If you could redo each of these drafts all the players I mentioned would have gone in the lottery, but the Spurs and Thunder scouts have found lottery talent late in the draft.
The Lakers still had to give up Andrew Bynum who is easily the second best center in the league and bigger, longer, younger,
and better offensively than Dwight Howard.
The Magic didn't get much but Moe Harkless could turn into a good one, and Aflalo is a solid two-way 2 guard. Vucevic looks decent and has
good size. They could use better picks but they got rid of J Rich and Duhon and their contracts. They also get Al Harrington who can score and rebound at either forward spots.
The Magic got what teams usually get back in super star trades. This trade is unique in that Denver didn't get either main star in this trade but it
looks like they got the most back in terms of what they gave up.
Also, this might be the first time in NBA history where the top two centers in the league were involved in the same trade.
In terms of matchups the Lakers look like they improved against the Heat and Spurs and probably the Thunder, but the Nuggets now might match up better with the Lakers after adding Iggy. Lakers improve against the Clips but the Griz, with their two inside beasts may have improved against the Lakers. Marc Gasol can now score over a smaller center, and although Howard is a better rim protector against Griz guard penetration, Bynum spread the floor better on offense and Darrell Arthur and Mo Speights might be be able to defend Dwight Howard better.
The Lakers have a center to run with the Thunder, but K Perk has usually done a good job defending Howard.
Hack-A-Howard will also come into play in the post season.
""Marc Gasol can now score over a smaller center"
im not sure i get this logic, howard is a better defender than bynum
I would've taken the Rockets' offer in a heartbeat...I just don't understand this trade. I'm neither a Laker nor Magic fan, so it doesn't hurt my feelings at all. The only thing that annoys me about it is that every sports media outlet is saying a Kobe-Lebron Finals matchup is inevitable now. Someone even said the window closed on the Thunder. In my opinion, we're still the team to beat in the West by far. We destroyed the Lakers in the playoffs last year, and I don't see a clear reason why I shouldn't think we can beat them again. Until the Lakers prove themselves and that they can play as a team, they shouldn't be crowned top of the West
The Celtics traded Ryan Gomes (20th pick in second round of 2005), Gerald Green (18th pick in first round of 2005), Al Jefferson (15th pick in first round of 2004), Theo Ratliff, Sebastian Telfair (13th pick in first round of 2004), a 2009 top three protected first round draft pick (28th pick in first round of 2009 was Wayne Ellington) and a return of Minnesota's conditional first round draft pick previously obtained in the Ricky Davis-Wally Szczerbiak trade. Minnesota also received cash considerations in the deal.
Other than Al Jefferson, who no longer plays with the Timberwolves, who in that dealed turned out to be anything above average?
Regardless of who Orlando received, the Lakers gave up a legit franchise caliber big man. Bynum is the clear cut second best center in the NBA behind a healthy Dwight Howard.
The Lakers took Chris Duhon and Earl Clark off of the Magic's hands as a courtesy lol...
You can't really blame the Lakers for who the Magic received. The Lakers did their part and gave up a franchise caliber big man. They took back Chris Duhon and Earl Clark to give the Magic salary relief.
You can't really blame Orlando for not wanting Andrew Bynum. Bynum made it clear he wouldn't sign an extention there.That's why the Lakers got into talks with Cleveland earlier about possibly taking Bynum. Based on reports, Orlando also didn't feel comfortable paying Bynum with his injury history. You also can't blame them for not wanting Pau Gasol, who's old and still owed plenty of money. Making that move for Gasol would've done nothing other than keep them in mediocrity.
Even looking at the Nets deal... I can't blame the Magic for not wanting a maxed out Brook Lopez with foot issues. The Nets offered four unprotected first round picks through 2017, but how low would those picks have been with Howard, Deron Williams, Joe Johnson and Gerald Wallace on the same team? MarShon Brooks was overhyped and Krish Humphries is just a slightly above average power forward. The Nets were also going to take on the contracts of Jason Richardson, Chris Duhon and Earl Clark as salary cap relief.
And the Rockets deal was nice, but reports are now saying that the Rockets starting getting cold feet after Howard made it clear he would NOT sign an extention with them. Can you blame them?
Now, let's look at what the Magic got in this trade:
- Aaron Afflalo (He's a good two way shooting guard who will play hard every night)
- Al Harrington (final two years of contract are only 50% guaranteed)
- Moe Harkless (15th pick in 2012)
- Nikola Vucevic (16th pick in 2011)
- Josh McRoberts
- Christian Eyenga
- Five first round draft picks (won't be any worse than the picks the Nets were offering)
- They also get the same salary cap relief the Nets were going to give them by the 76ers taking Jason Richardson and the Lakers taking on Chris Duhon and Earl Clark.
The only things the Magic didn't get back in the deal was a "marquee" type of player, but hopefully they'll get that guy in the next draft or so (they'll have a shot at the top pick). They definitely didn't get enough back for Howard (you never get equal value for a superstar), but I can't blame them for not wanting Lopez, Bynum and especially Gasol.
I'm just saying the two trades aren't very comparable.
If the draft picks pan out whick they may if they luck up in the draft like Houston, they may be able to have a team like OKC. They have a lot of cap space and can make deals with team over the cap to get some solid young players. I think most Gm's want flexibility and Henny has that. ATL is looking to do something similiar. The thing is any trade that move Howard was going to make a good team great and also put Orlando in a spot where they would not be the best team. Builting in the draft gives you a chance to get good young talent and do what OKC did. I honestly think even if Orlando got Bynum who could then leave, they would not be a team that could compete with OKC, MIA, or LAL. There are some other teams that also could have been better than them. Cleveland has shown that all it take is one good draft to make fans get excited. Moe Harkless has been said to have great potential and if he and Aaron Afflalo turn out to be reallly good players, than that is 2 of the 5 pieces need to have a young nucleus. The rest they can get from trade or in the draft. This move was a gamble on Orlando's side but it is a gamble that has so far been good for a lot of teams. Hornets who went for young players and draft picks by trading CP3 have a promising young future and in a few years they could compete for a high playoff spot. Cleveland draft pick of Kyle Irving has got them on the right track and gives them something to work with. Next year's draft will be key for Orlando and depending on how they do in that draft will determine if this trade was better for them than people may think.