Michael KidD Gilchrist
If I have to hear one more word about this guy for putting up Paul Harris numbers I just might lose it.
You really had to make a whole post about this? Well, I will say, your Syracuse posts are always so insightful. If you lost it, what would we ever do? Oh, thats right, live our lives. Probably better for not having to hear more about how Fab Melo makes 18 foot jumpers. Are you not the same guy who said he had the same block rate (whatever that means, because no statistical analysis I see would back this up) as Anthony Davis? If not, I apologize. But, you making a thread like this will make you lose points, justifiably.
So I should not write what I feel for fear of losing imaginary points that mean nothing? lol...whatever man KenPom is the most respected college basketball analyst in the world and he said that Fab's block rate is nearly identical to Davis. Apparantly u know more than him? lol...and whatever man Paul harris averaged 14 & 8 at SU this dude is overblown he would come off our bench FACT
You guys are Syracuse haters to the core I put up quotes from respected analysts without even injecting my opinion and everyone just starts crying because its giving credit to anybody but overrated ass UK. Immature ass biased ass crybabies who only write what they think will get them "points" lmao grow up
But, think we get a lot of it shoved down our throats. Plus, what is this block rate? Is this the amount of times you attempt a block? I have no idea, but Fab has fewer blocks per minute and his foul to block ratio is dead even. Meanwhile, Anthony Davis seems to cover a lot more of the court and is able to stay on it longer. I am not hating on Fab, but at the college level, his defensive presence is not even close to Davis. I would actually want these statistics in front of me before judging them, but from where I sit, it is hard to see them meaning that Fab has a better "block rate" than Anthony Davis.
If I wrote what only got me points, I would have a lot more than I do right now. I write my opinion and how I feel. I feel that Paul Harris was a very good college basketball player. But, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist is putting up strong numbers in a different role. He is longer and more athletic than Paul, plus a better defender. Plus, Paul did not have as strong of a freshman season as Mike Kidd-Gilchrist. As a matter of fact, lets look at Paul Harris' three year Cuse career versus MKG through 26 games:
Paul Harris: 29.5 mpg, 11.7 ppg, 7.8 rpg, 2.4 apg, 1.2 spg, 0.7 bpg, 46.9% FG, 22.4% 3PT, 72.3% FT
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist: 31.2 mpg, 12.3 ppg, 7.7 rpg, 2.2 apg, 1.2 spg, 1.1 bpg, 47.5% FG, 28.2 % 3PT, 75.4% FT
Now, I am not Ken Pom and do not even claim to be close to a respected analyst. But, those numbers are pretty damn similar. In fact, do you know how many points per game Paul would have averaged if he hypothetically played 31.2 mpg over his Cuse career. 12.3 ppg. He would have had more rebounds, more assists, more steals, but the same amount of points per game. Plus, this is over his three year career. I have a feeling Mike would eventually establish more of a role.
I just do not know the good of saying that someones NUMBERS (mind you, not game, not impact) should not be compared to someone elses when they have some clear correspondence. It is not at all a fact that he would come off of your bench. Syracuse has a strong team, but Mike would more than likely make it even stronger. It just seems like you have very little basis for most of what you are saying.
Not to mention, Paul averaged 14.5 and 8.2 as a sophomore. Averaging 36 mpg. Mike's 36 mpg averages? 14.2 and 8.8. Are those not similar? What is the issue, other than you apparently being disrespected over what appears to be pretty freaking glaring similarity in statistics? Plus, what made you have to post a topic on this out of sheer frustration, playing the Rodney Dangerfield card when it appears you just have a genuine dislike for anything that isn't Orange?
Michael Kidd Gilchrist would be Syracuse's best player most likely. He's also a better shooter (yikes), has better size, and has a much better attitude then Paul Harris ever did. While putting up roughly the same numbers on a better team and while being younger.
yeahh this kid is so special rebounder at his size that with out AD he would probably be double double guy..on Cuse he would avg like 16/10/3..top5 pick for sure
Not once did it mention Fab Melo having the same block rate. With the statistics Ken used, here is the comparison between Anthony Davis and Fab Melo:
Anthony Davis: 127 blocks to 54 fouls=2.4 blocks to every foul (also, 6.26 blocks per 40 minutes)
Fab Melo: 72 blocks to 72 fouls=1 block to every foul (5.04 blocks per 40 minutes. Though, seeing that he has the same amount of fouls, he would not be able to play 40 minutes)
I am not saying that Fab is not a defensive presence, he is. Just not in the same ball park of Anthony Davis' impact. If Ken Pomeroy wrote they were similar, I did not see it. So, I am not really disagreeing with Ken Pomeroy's assessment, but your interpretation of his assessment. I don't see how it is identical or nearly identical to Anthony Davis'. Not to mention, if you do, than I have no idea why you are complaining about the similarity between the statistics of Paul Harris and Mike Kidd-Gilchrist.
MikeyV just shut this post down.
You just proved my point MKG is the same player as Paul Harris was but gets 1000 times the love Paul isnt even in the league. And listen the KenPom quote was on the article on ESPN.COM going over syracuses rebounding problems. Ya'll ignorant as f*ck. And block rate is a players blocks per the opponents 2 point attempts. Meaning Fab blocks approximately the same percentage of 2 pointers that Anthony Davis does, he just plays less and teams take way less 2 pointers against SU. Sorry for using an advanced metric that you UK fans cant comprehend lol I know they dont got many computers down there A$$holes
So what is you backwards ass UK fans logc, that MKG and Paul Harris are statistically the exact same player yet MKG is way better? Looool ok and how would he average more points on a balanced SU team with more option you guys are stupid Dion Waiters and CJ fair are just as good and they come off our bench so would he the amount of misinformation spread on this site is ridiculous
MKG if he had played on the 08-09 Syracuse team would have been better than P.Harris.
But he wouldn't have been the best player on that team, that would have went to J.Flynn, I don't care how his pro career turns out, that boy was a monster at Syracuse lets not forget.
Jay Bilas earlier today on espn.com chat...
"It would be a toss up, but I would favor Syracuse because of the experience the Orange would have, and the unique defense Syracuse plays. As an example, I thought UK was the better team when the Cats played West Virginia in 2010, but I picked WVU to win because it was an older team that played a different style. I thought UK's freshmen would have a tough time adjusting to it for just one game. I feel the same way about Syracuse and UK this year. Syracuse does not rebound the ball as well as they need to, and does not shoot as many free throws as their opponents in the Big East. But, the Orange does a great job of forcing turnovers and running off of them. I think UK would have a tough time with that zone because of that, and would suffer against it because UK is not a great shooting team. But UK could certainly win (that team can beat anybody this year) and I think it would be a GREAT game!!"
NOW STFU AND GO TO BED LAY OFF THE MOONSHINE IN THE AM PEACE
MKG shares the ball with Teague (more of a scoring guard), Doron Lamb, Terrence Jones (chucker) and of course Anthony Davis. If he was on Syracuse he'd get a lot more responsibility offensively.
MKG and Paul Harris are not the same prospect. MKG has the same numbers as a Fr. that Harris had as a Jr., and he has done it one a more balanced and better team. But scouts don't look at numbers as much as skills so I'll go there. Harris was a horrendous shooter, and while MKG isn't very good in his own right, it's lightyears better then Harris' was. Next MKG is 6'7.5 with a good frame and nice length. Paul Harris with 6'4 with a great frame. He gives up almost 4 inches, we all know height and length are huge to scouts. Next Harris had a poor attitude, and really didn't improve all that much in his time at Syracuse, MKG is one of the hardest working players in the entire NCAA and is a coaches dream. He's unselfish, puts forth 100% effort and doesn't complain. Lastly Paul Harris was a great defender (really his only great thing outside of strength), but MKG has the potential to be an elite defender and has already locked down numerous players this year.
If you really wanted to compare them then MKG is an extremely rich man's Paul Harris, who is better at everything (minus strength) while doing it with a great attitude and with almost 4 inches of height.
Paul Harris is a 6'4 PF who can't even put up numbers in the D-League, and MKG is a multi-faceted swingman with elite athleticism. There are no comparisons. Harris' numbers are similar to Andre Iguadola's in college too but are they even close to being the same prospect?
And dude you're bleeding way to hard Orange and letting it fog your vision of the real world. CJ Fair and Dion Waiters are not as good as MKG. And Syracuse runs that zone which is why all of their prospects flop in the league, UK runs more pro style settings which is why their prospects do good in the league.
I was never once comparing the 2 as a prospect. But if you want to get inaccurate, I will correct you. Paul Harris had elite athleticism-- he was known for having a 40+ inch vertical. Paul was much stronger and a better rebounder averaging the same amount of boards while being much shorter. Also, MKG CANT SHOOT, just like paul. Listen MKG is bigger and a little more skilled but if you act like there are no comparisons to their games than your vision is fogged not mine friend.
Or because you get the top prospects every year it has nothing to do with UK's style. Demarcus cousins was a freak and so was John wall nobody else recently is doing anything special in the NBA. IDC about MKG pro potential, it has no regard to his college effectiveness. How can he have exact same #'s as Paul junior year, including shot attempts and shooting percentage, yet somehow be a first team all american? its not logical Waiters averages the same amount of points in less minutes more efficiently and leads the nation in steals you guys are seriously zombies or the biggest UK homers ever Dickie V called Waiters the most effective player in the country so stop acting like you know everything cuz you dont I know a ton about basketball none of my arguments are illogical you just attack me because you disagree when UK could lose 10 games in a row and you would still act like they were best. CJ Fair is as big as MKG, has a higher verticle, and an equal motor. If his usage #'s were anywhere close to MKG his #s would be identical. GO to a library if these exist down there find a computer and do some research before regurgitating what you heard from some shmo
UK fans arent even smart enough to assertain the fact that not once did I compare Paul to MKG as a prospect. They have like pre-made answers they fire out even if it doesnt fit the question. There is no reason 2 players 3 years apart can put up identical numbers in every single category yet one doesnt even make honorable mention All American and the other is being called a 1st team All American. CARMELO AVERAGED 22-10 AND DIDNT MAKE 1st TEAM ALL AMERICAN. If you cant admit that this is UK bias then you are crazier than you think I am
And secondly he is averaging 13 & 7 in the D league while playing only 27 min per game. Soo MKG puts up those #'s and hes god and Paul puts em up against pro players and you say "cant even put up numbers"...Either you didnt even bother to research or are the most hypocritical person on here. You tell me.
I'm not a UK fan I'm just given an objective view. And if the two teams played each other I would be rooting for Syracuse because I'm from Philly and Cuse always get's some of the greatest Philly prep players. Scoop Jardine is doing great and Dion Waiters is finally coming into his own, but Christmas need to step his game up, he went to my high school before transferring so I got a good look at him as a freshman before anybody realized he was going to become one of the top ranked big men in the nation it wasn't hard to see him doing it tho. He was like 14 grabbing rebounds off the top of the backboard. I got no doubt in my mind Waiters would average over 20 a game if he played for a school that gave him minutes and the ball.
Last year Rick Jackson got snubbed off the first team All Big East despite being clearly the best big man in the conferance.
But the facts are Jim Bo's zone defenses and uptempo offense don't prepare players for the league. Melo is the only Syracuse player to see real success in the NBA. I remenber being a huge John Wallace fan thinking he was the next Derrick Coleman and he stunk it up in the league.
But MKG is an outstanding prospect, he has the athleticism, the motor, and the intagibles. Kentucky and Syracuse are very similar on offense because both of their teams are super deep with athletes so nobody is going to put up big numbers are either one of their teams. MKG would be going off if he played for a team with less talent. He got the ability to average 17 and 10 as a freshman in the right situation. CJ Fair does not have that at all.
That it is nice to use statistics to make a point, but convenient to make them up when you really don't have one. Seems to have worked nicely here. Dude, we get it, you love Syracuse and feel "They don't get no respect". Well, Kentucky is an easy target to blame for that. The fact is, Kentucky plays fewer guys, which is probably a reason that Mike is getting the love he is, because he and Anthony Davis have been hugely valuable. You could argue that Kris Joseph has had a better season, that Dion Waiters is a better scorer, but Mike looks like a better NBA prospect in most peoples eyes.
I think it is funny that you complain of a lack of reading comprehension when you did in fact say this:
You just proved my point MKG is the same player as Paul Harris was but gets 1000 times the love Paul isnt even in the league.
I proved the point you said you were sick of. I did not prove the point that they are similar as prospects, as that goes beyond just pure statistics. It also goes into role on the team and potential at the NBA level. Mike is putting up these numbers on a more balanced team than the one in which Paul Harris had his best season. Also, CJ Fair? Really? You left out, "dribbling a basketball" when comparing the two, for good reason. They are different players, as well. Plus, have not seen CJ Fair play the same level of defense as Mike.
Mike Kidd-Gilchrist is not the reason Paul Harris is not in the NBA. He may be part of the reason Ken Pomeroy rates Kentucky #2 in his rankings whereas Cuse is #6. As far as block rate goes, I did check that article. They may have a similar rate, but that leaves out three point shots and, what else, oh yeah, fouls. Davis does it less. Which is why he stays on the court, blocking more. Which is why his defensive impact is something to write about whereas Ken's article was basically, "Fab can block shots, but this team still has some issues". I doubt Ken Pomeroy would want a person using this statistic to claim that Fab has an equal defensive presence to Davis, as that is not the case.
All in all, I think you should go to Syracuse. If you do, GO TO CLASS! It is a solid institution and I doubt it would want someone being as poor of a sport as you are being. I only know one person on this thread who seems to be even close to the level of fanboy to Kentucky as you are to Cuse, lalaila (who is at least much less abrasive and annoying). I am sorry Melo did not make the All-American 1st Team. That was at a time where seniority ruled much more so than it does now. Plus, unfortunately, Melo was a player who helped some learn from the mistake of leaving a freshman off of the All-American 1st Team. Did that by winning a championship and being the flat out best player in college ball that season.
Still, do not know why this means other people have to suffer. I am sure Melo loves Syracuse still, but I bet he would give Mike props for being an All-American rather than trying to comparing him to his own accomplishments. There is no one in college basketball this year doing what Melo did in 2003. Be proud of that, but do not make that the standard for making the All-American team. Anthony Davis appears to be a mortal lock for the All-American 1st team. Mike looked like he was on his way, but I could see him being a 2nd Team guy, much like Melo.
The All-American team goes by different criteria every year, but if you want to talk about statistics along with team success, Mike Kidd-Gilchrist surpasses anyone on Syracuse this season. His numbers may look different on Cuse, he is not the scorer that Dion Waiters is, but he has more of a defensive impact than Kris Joseph and is a better rebounder by quite a bit. Another thing is, Paul Harris averaged a lot more turnovers than Mike, not to mention Syracuse was 21-14 in 2007-08. Winning helps, man. I would just be flattered by the comparison. I get being upset when you feel other schools and their players are overshadowing your own, but the way you have gone about it certainly wins you very little sympathy.
Do not see us as the ones who threaten to "lose it" (whatever that means) over a valid statistical comparison. Also, if you are calling someone hypocritical, how about a person that gives themselves thumbs up than derides it as useless. Sounds like good old fashioned hypocrisy to me. In other words, Syracuse is a good team, but to act like you do not get respect because another team might have better players just makes one sound bitter and angry. It is a team game and Cuse has a deeper roster. Many times, that beats talent. But, Cuse also has had a number of close calls that could catch up with them. Just like Kentucky has had their own share. At the end of the day though, give me Mike Kidd-Gilchrist over anyone on the current Cuse roster as a NBA prospect. Throw in Paul Harris as well.
I never compared the 2 as a prospect, only as a player at the college level. The fact is that they had the same #'s, but one was considered vastly superior in his time (MKG). That is the UK bias. Count me in the group that thinks MKG will be no better than average in the NBA. Count me in the group that would take Waiters and KrisJo over him on a college level. Count me in the group that thinks that while MKG is a better player than CJ Fair he is not more talented from an athletic standpoint and does not have nearly the midrange game, and could easily by outshined in a head to head matchup on a given night. Count me in the group that thinks that Fab Melo is a bad match up for Anthony Davis and that he would struggle against him. Kentucky might be more talented but the people that piss me off are the ones who act like its not close. I play baseball & basketball @ Ithaca College but I'm from the Cuse and I would put my basketball knowledge up against any of yours.
MKG Cant shoot. Terrance Jones is an Enigma. Teague is a bum.
Triche > Teague Krisjo> TJ Waiters> Lamb MKG> Fair AD>Melo (slight) The rest of Syracuse is deeper and more talented. You look at individual top level talent I look at team talent and from an entire team perspective if Syracuse isnt equally talented as Kentucky it is damn close. I love my squad and will stick up for them if its the truth no matter how many people say I shouldnt. Go CUSE Bleed Orange f*ck a wildcat
You are truly a martyr, though. Ever thought about maybe bombing yourself in a field in Kentucky? That would make one hell of a statement! You'd be bleeding orange, I promise you that! (well, I don't. You'd be dead though, thus unable to post these mundane absurdities sticking up for something that is not being challenged).
Yes, this is going to far. Like you have this entire post. You are fighting against nothing. Your entire statement was on MKG having similar statistics to Paul Harris. Than, it turns out that is true. Than you turn it into a tangent on how Kentucky has stolen your schools respect and dignity. Sure.
This is a draft site. We talk about college basketball, but it usually will relate to the NBA in some way. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist is a better NBA prospect than anyone on your team. If they play each other, I have no idea, but I will say that I think you have a much higher opinion on your teams individual players than most would. Kris Joseph statistically has not been Michael Kidd-Gilchrist. Syracuse is a fantastic collective, whereas Kentucky has been carried by a smaller group. Hence, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist being called to get more individual accolades. Get over it. If Paul Harris' team had been 23-1, than he would be getting many of the same praises, albeit still as an undersized 4 who turned the ball over more than Michael Kidd-Gilchrist does.
Kentucky is probably my 3rd favorite team after UNC and then way below Memphis, so it's not like I'm a huge UK homer. But I didn't realize you weren't comparing them as prospects, so that's my bad.
It is truly disgusting to see the stereotypical manner in which JRcuse etc.. is acting in regards to Kentucky natives. Admittedly I am a UK student and fan, and I am quite proud of the experience I receive in both academics and athletics. Our library system is consistently ranked as the best in the state, and we have numerous computer facilities that are more than adequate for the college enviroment, and those are also open to the public. We don't drink moonshine in the A.M. We merely love our team. Sorry for the rant, I just had to get that out there.
An objective take on the argument at hand: MKG is hyped because he is a multi-talented wing who has very good athleticism, and more importantly displays a fervor to win no matter what. Whether he is needed to score, rebound, pass, or just defend intently he will do whatever it takes for the good of the team. His only real issue is his shot, and it just looks funny, although it goes in at a decent clip. On a team with less talent, MKG would average around 18-20ppg and about 10 boards. He's a legitimate glue guy that will improve any team he goes to with his intensity and attitude alone.
I am the biggest syracuse fan on the planet, a big fan of paul harris. They are not the same player, i thought paul was played at the wrong position, he essentially played the 4 because of his incredible rebounding ability. I thought he should have been a 2, but because of the abundance of guards in the program he had to play upfront. I believe that stalled his development. Harris was not a good nba prospect because his size did not match his skill set. MKG is a better prospect, stats are pretty meaningless.
was more referring to Kentucky as a state than UK in general my bad if i didnt make that clear...yah it was below the belt but the stats show that Kentucky isnt a very well educated state. In regards to MKG and SU prospects...so my opinion is in the minority, thats fine. I just feel like if everything were the same and SU prospects were ranked higher than everybody would agree because nobody watches the players and makes unbiased judgements they just go by what people nationally say. I consider that being a drone/ zombie. I have watched both teams and strongly believe that Kentucky is not a more talented or skilled team. I believe Syracuse has more athletes, and I believe as a whole they are a better shooting/ball skills team. Putting this togethor I say that they are more talented. Their elite athleticism shows in their crazy turnover and transition numbers. IMO
That's much better then calling people names.
MikeyV you need to put preacher in front of your name cuz you be taking dudes to church. But as a member of the U.S. Military I wanna say we shouldn't be encouraging our American student's to become PBED's (Personel Born Explosive Device) on Spirit Day. You could of told him to steal they're mascot or paint a cat orange for every vote MKG get's for the All American team then hang 'em from the Rupp Arenas rafters with that creepy Orangman Smiley Face carved into their gut then later send an anonymous message to Kentucky's school board claiming Paul Harris takes responsibility. Or you know something along them lines.
Anyways 'Cuse where you're going wrong is that you are forgetting this is an NBA Draft sight therefore all of our conversations are usually relating to a players NBA potential and not his collegiant legacy. We basically try to stray away from the conversation of who is the better "college player" because our focus and our fun comes in predicting who is going to be the better "pro player."
And you're not fooling anybody by comparing players head to head by taking a 'Cuses player best attribute then trying to correlate that to a Kentucky players worse attribute. That's not going to transverse anybody's opinion. CJ Fair's midrange game in a one on one matchup is getting to get shut down by MKG because he can't put the ball on the floor to use his athleticism to get by him. I'm not sure if Fair is a better athlete then MKG but I do know that he don't play as athletic as MKG. What by that is Fair doesn't use his athleticism, to get rebounds, steals, blocks, and play lock down defense anywhere near the level MKG does so whats the point?
And are we forgetting that MKG was one of the top 3 ranked high school players, and in many eyes the best high school player in the nation last year, so it's not like his production is a surprise or people don't expect him to get better the guy is a blue chip prospect. If MKG stayed until he was a JR he would probably be the best player in college basketball hands down. And his jumpshot looks awkward but it's not as bad as people think. First off he shoots nearly 76% from the FT line and shows an incredibly soft shooting touch so I have no doubts that he's going to become a very good mid range shooter.
And the only thing that you're getting me mad about is you keep naming all of these Syracuse players and NOT ONCE have you mention SCOOP! What's up with that bro? He's the leader of that team and the MAIN REASON Dion Waiters is playing as good as he is. When Waiters wanted to transfer or enter the draft it was Scoop whose his mentor, that stepped in and told him to stay and things will work out that he would be making a bad descicion. It's Scoop who worked out with Waiters over the summer every day and it's Scoop who told JimBo that Waiters is ready for more minutes and sacrificed his own minutes to see that it happened.
Scoop is our worst regular but hes been playing much better this year in terms of not trying to do too much and distributing. Dion's mother made him stay in school its well reported but I dont doubt Scoop worked with him considering they are cousins. I didn't bring up Scoop because while he is a good player he is by far the least talented/athletic regular on our team and I knew bringing him up would get me laughed at by these haters. That being said, him and Brandon triche are both superior players to Teague and honestly cant see why Teague is considered a better prospect than Triche. Tell me where I am wrong here:
Triche is bigger, faster, stronger, more athletic, and a better shooter with much more range. Am i offbase?
Man stop being a fan...Scoop and Triche are way superior to Teague?? You gotta be kidding me...thank God you aren't a NBA scout. Scoop has no chance in the D-league let alone the NBA and Triche might be a good late 2nd round-undrafted free agent 8th man off the bench player in the NBA.
The only NBA talent we honestly have is Dion Waiters. Kris Joseph is nothing like what he should've been from his 6th man of the year award in the 09-10 season. We have a team of good college players but none of them will translate that well in the league. Still confused why this website has Melo going 1st round this year.
Scoop is lucky he gets any minutes because honestly Michael Carter Williams might be the best of all our guards and he never plays because JimBo is so loyal to Scoop. Lol I give props to Scoop even if he is still fat and lazy and puts up some of the ugliest jumpers in America
I'm a HUGE Syracuse fan and I can honestly say that Harris doesn't belong in the same sentence as MGK...who cares if numbers are comparable it's obvious MGK is a future NBA all star
1. mgk is not a future nba all star, he cannot create his own shot, he cannot shoot. i believe he is a bit over rated. I like what he does, i like how he does it, but he will never be more than a good rotation player in the league.
2. Waiters is not SUs only nba prospect. Fab Melo is, if you can show me another 7 footer at 275 lbs that can do a 360, i'll show you another nba prospect. Fab damn near took off from the free throw line for a dunk monday night. Thats special!!!
Joseph, melo, fair, sutherland, christmas, waiters, triche and mcw are all legit nba prospects
Lmao @ James "I Take Bad Shots NonStop" Southerland being a NBA prospect....do you watch the games or do you just read statlines? And Fab Melo did not almost take off from the free throw line he was like 3 steps in front of it and leaned forward to make an average dunk look better than it really was. Like I said I'm a huge Cuse fan and have been since the PJ Shumpret days (I'm 25), but I understand the difference between a good college player and a good NBA player. You're right about Fair, Joseph,Waiters, and MAYBE Triche being NBA prospects, but what the HELL has Christmas and MCW done to be known as NBA prospects.
And cmon man MGK can't create his own shot? He can't shoot? Did you watch one game and he happened to have an off night and then came up here with your opinion? MGK is one of those rare breeds of SF that can score when needed and also get his teammates involved. Kid is the real deal and has been since the hype machine got behind him during his freshman season at St. Patricks.
Have you ever watched MKG play? He creates shots not just for himself but for his teammates too. How can a guy who runs point forward and is 2nd on his team in ppg not be able to create his own shot? MKG uses his speed and strength to get into the lane and get good looks.
And 'Cuse does have a ton of NBA prospects on their roster but only Dion Waiters is worth a 1st round pick this year. If Melo comes out this year he's going to ruin himself he still needs a lot of seasoning. But he does have the potential to be a late lotto pick if he keeps working hard and stays in college.
And how hard is it to do a 360 when you only need to jump a foot off the ground to dunk. But to answer your question off the top of my head Andre Drummond is 270 and could pull off a between the legs 360.
He clearly shows very few signs of being one. He likes a school, that is about it. Though, fair enough. I knew that what I was saying was a bit edgy and risky, but he was just being so smug that I went for it. I apologize if I offended though, but we will eventually see what happens if or when these teams play.
Syracuse is an incredibly strong team and I too agree that Scoop Jardine appears to be the heart and soul of it. Dion Waiters is a stud, I really like him a lot and think if they had to choose a "star", he would get it over even Kris Joseph. Still, I really like this Kentucky team and think they have a lot of NBA talent. That does not always lead to championships, but Kentucky has certainly looked incredibly strong this season, even more so than Cuse in my opinion.
Southy is 6-8 with one of the purest strokes in game when his shot is right and has damn near 40 inch vertical. Guys like that find their way into the league "syracuse fan"
Mr eazy ur a clown nowhere in the whole thread have i called scoop a prospect i called him our worst regular so idk who ur arguing against. But triche is bigger, faster , stringer and a much better shooter than Teague. Those are all facts which one of those can u even dispute? U aint know shit call urself a cuse fan then go blast em on national forums when we r number 2 n loaded u r a clown sir
Realize you aren't the only dumbass speaking in here...that post wasn't responding to you
Triche hasnt got nothing on Teague so gtfo with that trash
Triche - 6-4 205 37% from 3 10 Ppg 22 minutes per game
Teague- 6-2 189 30% from 3 10 Ppg 33 minutes per game
So factually speaking, he is bigger, stronger, a better shooter, and a much more efficient scorer. You sir are an idiot show me how Teague is a better player because like I said, Triche is bigger, faster, more athletic, a better shooter, and a far more efficient scorer. He would average 15 Per much more efficiently in 33 minutes grow up
the fact that someone disliked that post above just shows the immaturity of the people in this forum. All it is are numbers and facts. His size, their shooting percentages, their minutes per game, their points per game. Grow the F*ck up you cant even admit facts like an adult. Sorry that in your mind Teague is superior and you dislike the fact that reality doesn't support that. You think Teague is better? Show me why
i agree with you cuse! in that particular regard!
with that said, marquis teague is better.
What does he do better? Just saying hes smaller a worse shooter and less productive...soo hes better cuz draft sites say so? Or what?
way better potential. much better than triche at this point of his career. better passer than him already. way better at attacking the basket already.
Umm u need ur head examined or to watch a cuse game. Bilas calls him cuse best player every game he does. Why dont numbers support any of ur satements? Lol
ok cuse, where would you rank him in your draft? top 20? if he ends up being better i will give you props, i just don't think that's going to happen... also, we all know teague can play much better than he has been, can you say the same about triche?
another thing, you can also make a case that trey burke and ryan boatright are having better seasons. but for future nba potential, marquis leads them all
Are you talking as a college player or as a prospect?