First glance at measurements from draft express!
Blake Griffin has short arms, and while he is a legit 6 10, his standing reach is not great for his position. I'm starting to worry he might be a bust. He has a shorter reach than: dejuan blair, tyler hansbrough
James Harden is a legit 6' 5", with a long reach, only an inch and a half less than Griffin, and more than e.g. DeRozan.
Gerald Henderson also legit 6' 5".
Curry a legit 6' 3", but short on reach.
Flynn a legit 6 foot.
Earl Clark a legit 6' 10", and very long 9' 1.5" reach
Hasheem is 7-2. 9'5" standing reach is great, but I was expecting something otherwordly (e.g. Javale Mcgee is 9'6.5").
Teague is 6-1 but long
This site likes to censor Draft Express. Funny stuff...although, it would be great if they could just accept the fact that there is another legit NBA Draft site out there...
This may be hard to read, but worth a shot.
Name No Shoes Shoes Weight Wingspan Reach
Dejuan Blair 6'5.25 6'6.5 277 7'2 8'10.5
Chase Budinger 6'6.25 6'7 206 6'7 8'5
Omri Casspi 6'7.75 6'9.25 211 6'9.25 8'10.5
Earl Clark 6'8.5 6'10.25 228 7'2.5 9'1.5
Darren Collison 6'0.25 6'1.5 166 6'3 8'0.5
Stephen Curry 6'2 6'3.25 181 6'3.5 8'1
Austin Daye 6'9.75 6'10.75 192 7'2.75 9'2
Demar Derozan 6'5.5 6'6.5 211 6'9 8'6.5
Wayne Ellington 6'4.25 6'5.25 202 6'6.5 8'4
Tyreke Evans 6'4 6'5.25 221 6'11.25 8'8
Jonny Flynn 5'11.25 6'0.75 196 6'4 7'11.5
Blake Griffin 6'8.5 6'10 248 6'11.25 8'9
Tyler Hansbrough 6'8.25 6'9.5 234 6'11.5 8'10
James Harden 6'4 6'5.25 222 6'10.75 8'7.5
Gerald Henderson 6'4 6'5 215 6'10.25 8'6.5
Jordan Hill 6'9.25 6'10.25 232 7'1.5 9
Jrue Holiday 6'3.25 6'4.25 199 6'7 8'4.5
James Johnson 6'7 6'7.75 257 7'0.75 8'9.5
Gani Lawal 6'7.75 6'9 229 7 8'10
Ty Lawson 5'11.25 6'0.5 197 6'0.75 7'10.5
Eric Maynor 6'2.25 6'3.25 164 6'2.5 8'1
Patrick Mills 5'11.25 6'0.5 175 6'2 7'11
B.J. Mullens 6'11.75 7'1.25 258 7'1.5 9'3
DaJuan Summers 6'7.25 6'8.5 243 7'0.75 8'10.5
Jeff Teague 6'0.25 6'1.5 175 6'7.5 8'2.5
Hasheem Thabeet 7'1.25 7'2.5 267 7'6.25 9'5
Marcus Thornton 6'2.75 6'3.75 194 6'5 8'3
Terrence Williams 6'5 6'6.25 213 6'9 8'7.5
Sam Young 6'5.25 6'6.75 223 6'10.75 8'9.5
Jermaine Taylor 6'3.5 6'4.75 207 6'8.75 8'5
James Harden and Tyreke Evans have almost the exact same body. I believe Tyrus Thomas and Rudy Gay measured exactly the same 3 years ago as well...they also had the same birthday, though.
This has nothing to do with this post but whats with the Points tracker under our profiile and right above the Posts?
I'm not sure if it was this site, but I'm fairly confident it was NBADraft.net who did a survey a couple of years ago on college players who signed up for the draft and compared those stats with their actual career. They looked at their physical measurements [height/reach], their leaping ability, and finally their speed going from one end of the court to the other. There may have been one or two other measurements, but I don't remember what they were.
Guess what they learned? They found that many of the players who had the fastest times, best leaping ability, and were taller than expected, never made it in the NBA.
What does that tell you? How you play the game is far more important than your measurements. I'm not saying measurements are irrelevant, they are a factor, otherwise they wouldn't take them. However, keep in mind, they're only important when a GM can't make up his mind between two very similar candidates. In those cases, measurements could be a factor. That might be the case with D. Blair who's apparently even shorter than people thought.
However, when a team makes it's mind up on a player, such as Blake Griffin, measurements are irrelevant.
i thought Thabeet was a legit 7'3 when he's actually only a quarter of an inch taller than Shaq...oh well...and how is 6'8.5 a legit 6'10. is KG a legit 7'1? 6'8.5 is a legit 6'9....also, Tyreke Evans is a little shorter than i expected & Hansbrough turns out to be taller and longer than i would have guessed. good for him...
1.Blake has short standing reach: He wont be affected too much on the next level too much as many of the legit bigs are retired or near the end of their careers. (Duncan, Garnett, Mutumbo, Shaq) Yao just stands in another very special category, besides griffin will play the 4 not the 5. Athletic Ability will compensate
2. Evans and Harden are just big and have SF standing reach very close to Grffin, they could play 2-3 positions effectively because they have muscle and long wingspan. Harden Doubts about size must quit now.
3. Earl Clark a PF? If he could play the 4 he could be Great. Boris Diaw at least. He is Longer than expected
4. Daye is 6, 11' but 190 pounds, (it means ultra skinny) he needs to return and add weight, if he had 30 more pounds could be a good combo forward prospect. (long guy)
5. Flynn doesnt need to envy Lawson, he is as tall and has even longer arms in order to compensate.( he is strong too it seems weighting almost 200)
6. Maynor is a big PG, needs to add weight
7. Sam Youg's Reach is just awesome for a wing.
8. Mullens and Thabeet are no surprise, very long guys-
Lets see how they fare on the athletic tests.
Its niced to see these things, but how they translate into the game is another different animal.
People play with shoes my friend.
im very surpised at how hansboro has the same wing span as blake..and its obvious that some of the players wear shoes with thicker soles then others...i mean wouldnt you if it could get u moved up in the draft
no measurements on jennings?
considering his team is in the playoffs right now in Europe, it be kinda hard to get his measurements in Chicago.
Hansbrough measuring 6' 9.5" in shoes is much better than many predicted, if he now manages a solid showing in the athletic tests he will move up a bit.
Just 8' 5'' in the standing reach for Budinger is not surprising, he has a pretty long neck so being 6'7'' doesn't mean much, even with his spectacular vertical leap this will leave doubts if he can play the 3 in the NBA.
Agree that the questions about Hardens and Evans size should be silenced now, way better standing reach than Mayo or E.Gordon for example.
Don't think that weight is big knock against Daye, still enough time to put on weight and if being skinny would be such a bad thing, Tayshaun Prince wouldn't be Tayshaun Prince.
Griffins stock will not be affected by the measurements, he is too much of a beast.
They also measure the players without shoes. Just in case.
so does every athlete in every sport. strippers work in 8 inch heels. but they are not 6'4! lol...should we weigh football players in pads and helmets because they play in them, my friend? if the NBA wants to inflate heights to impress fans thats fine, but lets not call 6'8 a legit 6'10 because it obviously is not.
why not just measure everyone barefoot like the rest of civilization? that would help to avoid people wearing thicker soles and using misleading listings. some guys list their actual heights, some use in shoes heights, and others just add 2 -3 inches. its misleading and annoying. thats all i'm saying.
lol..yeah but it all evens out since every year the players do it so just take 1-1.5 inches from every player in the nba and youll get what everyones playing height it...this height thing basically is just to help move the players up or down in the draft which in turn means more money
Griffin's superior athletic ability will make up for most of the physical shortcomings he has. The thing to worry about, though, is that in the 4th quarter when his legs are tired and he can't bounce off the floor as quickly or as high, his somewhat disappointing length could hurt him.
Biggest shock to come out of this is that Hansbrough is 6-9.5 in shoes. I think everybody was prepared for him to be 6-8 in shoes, and more like 6-7 without. And the craziest thing is that his wingspan and reach are actually BIGGER than Griffin's. Any chance he finally loses the "undersized" label? I mean, this makes him as big or bigger than Kevin Love by every measure except weight, and that's a guy who everybody considered a legit PF, who averaged 11points and 9boards as a rookie, and who gets away with being listed at 6-10...
Why is this a big deal? Because a guy with Hansbrough's skill set is looked at very differently when you're comparing him physically to Kevin Love and Al Horford as opposed to Leon Powe and Jason Maxiell.
He is taller than expected, but he is not Kevin Love. He will never average 9 or 10 rebounds a season, and does not bring the same intangibles or post skills, i expect him to be like Matt Harpring or Najera, a good professional career of the bench.
Saying that Griffin is a bust because his arms are a little too short is the most rediculous thing I have ever heard. I hope that the NBA scouts are not putting too much emphasis on these measurements. I sometimes wonder if some of these scouts even watch game film on the draftees. Being very athletic doesn't mean you can play basketball. Carlos Boozer, Michael Redd, and Gilbert Arenas were very good college players who slipped to the second round because they didn't meet some athletic or measurement test. These guys ended being all stars.
"Blake Griffin has short arms, and while he is a legit 6 10, his standing reach is not great for his position. I'm starting to worry he might be a bust."
Did we forget the season we just witnessed?
Height, wingspan, and standing reach are only one piece of the puzzle when evaluating players.
Blake is strong and explosive. He'll be a great rebounder in the NBA. He'll work hard defensively. Not a problem.
Look at the stats: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=36259
He averaged 28.5 ppg and 15 rpg in the NCAAs and you think his reach will make him a bust?
Stop being silly.
I'm surprised to see Curry at a solid 180. He looks much thinner than that.
Only extreme swings in measurement can really change a player's projections. If Blake had measured 6'6 in socks or something, that's one thing, but with his current measurements, he is certainly large enough to play the 4 position in the NBA. But, Astro is dead-on...end of the day, these measurements and the upcoming athletic tests are just one very small (pun not intended) part of the equation. Check Kevin Durant's performance in the "athletic" section of the combine...very underwhelming, yet he appears to be succeeding in the league.
I'd love to see Amare's or Boozer's pre-draft measurements if anyone can find em...
The measurements really helped a couple players move up in my opinion and some went down.
Wow is Blake Griffin is 6' 8 with out shoes scary but I don’t think Clippers pass on him. Blake Griffin- Oklahoma- with out shoes 6' 8.5" -with shoes 6' 10"
Tyler Hansbrough- North Carolina-with out shoes 6' 8.25"-with shoes 6' 9.5” that 6'8 does not help him but I would still take a chance on him. He is determine to prove scouts wrong
Greivis Vasquez Maryland - wow with out shoes 6’ 4.75" with shoes- 6' 6" wow that must have been some kind of shoes.
Will hurt him a little but to me he is a late second round steal.
for one that doesnt hurt gravis because he was only listed at 6'5 anyway plus he plays point guard..foor those who donthink he does or is havent watched maryland games
amare 6.85 w/o 6'10 w boozer 6.75 w/o 6.95 w
im actually suprised curry is 6.3 1/2 i thought he would end up being 6'1
Say man. You play the game with shoes on. If the game was played in bare feet you would see guys listed at their bare feet height. When have you ever seen a guy listed a full 2-3 inches taller than he really was. The only guy I can think of was John Starks who was listed at 6-5 but was really about 6-3. That happened because he was never drafted so there were no official measurements on him so the Knicks were able to do what they wanted. This notion that Blake Griffin will be a bust is ridiculous. His bounce will more than make up for what he's lacks in reach. I can't for the life of me understand why everybody is so shocked that Hansbrough measured at 6-9.5 in his shoes. If you know anything about height or played the game at a level where you played against guys that size, you can pretty much look at a guy on tv and get a good gauge on his height, well at least I can. Hansbrough always looked 6-9 on the court all of a sudden he became a questionable 6-8. You guys need to do your homework before you make yourselves look dumber than you actually are.
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looking at a guy on tv and not knowing there height has nothing to do wit looking dumb or knowingthe game..ive played the game on hs college and not pro level in europe and i dont always get a guys height right by seeing them on tv..that has nothing to do with being dumb or understanding the game..that was just a ignorant comment
yeah that pretty much didnt make much sense..the first part of ipowers comments i agreed with untill the parts about if youplayed against guys that size u know there height when u see them on tv..if he would have said after seeing them in person then it would have made more sense
like i said earlier, football players play in pads and cleats, baseball players play in spikes...all i'm saying is measuring guys in shoes seems redundant. delonte west for instance used to be listed at 6'4 when he actually measured at 6'1 and change, i believe. thats just one example off the top. kg, durant, etc... however, are listed at their actual barefoot heights. its misleading, and since the listing doesnt affect anything that happens on the court, i wonder why they do it? and this notion that the game is played in shoes so we should measure everyone in shoes is ridiculous if you really think about it. lets measure hockey players in skates too i guess. lets weigh catchers in catchers gear and goalies in skates and pads. get my drift? on a serious note, do they weigh the players in shoes as well?
Im surprised Earl Clarks measurements arent being talked about more. He is a legit SF prospect and he measured in at 6' 10" with shoes and a 7' 2" wingspan. Thats huge and he has the body frame to put alot more muscle on. He may have the best potential build in the draft.