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McCollum vs. MCW

Who deserves to be drafted first?


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Bad question..depending on

Bad question..depending on what type of PG you need. Two diffrent type of PG's. One likes to score while the other rather pass the ball.

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I think McCollum depending on

I think McCollum depending on the situation. I can see him fitting in great with Sac, Det, and if they trade down Orlando. Both have potential to be starters in the NBA. I say McCollum.

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McCollum would not be a good

McCollum would not be a good fit in Sac or Det. He's a scoring PG. They have enough guards that want to shoot.

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I want to like McCollum but

I want to like McCollum but the NBA is full of guys with his skill set who can't get off the bench.

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McCollum

To be honest... I really don't Michael Carter Williams will be very good. Name one decent starting point guard in the NBA who isn't some kind of scoring threat? His skillset won't command double teams making it hard for him to get assists, which was his forte. Not to mention he's already somewhat turnover prone. Think Syracuse made him look better than he really is, as they do a lot of players. He's a HUGE potential bust and I think scouts recognize this. I'd pick CJ McCollum.

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Rondo is not a scoring

Rondo is not a scoring threat..(just naming one point guard)

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You've got be kidding? Rondo

You've gotta be kidding? Rondo is lightning quick and gets to the basket with ease, not to mention he has one of the best floaters in the game. If not.

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He's not a scoring threat?

He's not a scoring threat? His drive breaks down defenses with ease he could lay the ball up all the time

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MCW can score by driving to

MCW can score by driving to the basket, he just doesn't have a jumper - kinda like Rondo a couple years ago. Why would a player need to command double teams to get assists? I think there are a lot of screws to be tightened but MCW has the making of a good pass-first defensive minded PG. He already has a knack for steals because of his great length and ability to disrupt passing lanes.

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MCW has nowhere near the same

MCW has nowhere near the same handles or footspeed as Rajon Rondo. Rondo is special and to expect players to be similar to him is ludicrous.

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I was only comparing their

I was only comparing their scoring styles, nothing more.

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I don't think scouts

I don't think scouts necessarily recognize that. I think a lot of scouts look at this year's draft and are looking for potential. I think they see what he did in games like the Indiana game or even the UConn game (where Cuse was blown out), where MCW showed great potential as a scorer.

Personally, I think he'll prove to be an average shooter in the NBA, and he's already very good at getting into the lane. I think Syracuse actually held him back a bit. It's hard to look like a great PG when your big men can't catch any passes or make dunks and your wingmen can't make jumpshots (with the exception of Southerland, who was very streaky, and Fair, who has a very slow shot).

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MCW...for top teams

^^completely agree. McCollum currently has a much better skill set, but especially in a draft with little apparent star power in this draft I would expect teams toward the top of the draft to be looking at MCW and hoping that his jumper comes along. Also more and more reports have been coming out that his jump shot looks good it just doesn't fall, so he can work on that in the league like a number of other players do.

McCollum will probably be able to do more right away when he comes to the NBA, but the league is filled with guys who can "Ball" and score with the rock in their hands. I mean seriously these guys are PROFESSIONALS, the difference between a lot of these guys is the situation and work ethic. Do you think Blake Griffin is the only player in the league with the ability to do what he does dunking and athleticism wise???? No, he has Chris Paul (great situation) and a strong work ethic.

I just watched the "Gunnin' for the #1 Spot" documentary. If you havent seen it, I suggest you peep it. Where I am going with this is Michael Beasley looked like h would be Blake Griffin x2 back in the day. But he fell in a bad situation w/ a decimated Heat team, and most importantly a LACK of effort. So will McCollum advance his game or will he continue to just be dominant scorer with the ball in his hands? Where as you know MCW has skills, such as passing, ball handling, defense, and LENGTH that are much harder to find, and cannot necessarily be taught. Length/Wing span is becoming the 40 yd. dash of NBA combines, but w/ more translation to the field of play.

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McCollum. Any situation. 6'3

McCollum. Any situation.

6'3 pg/sg with a 6'7 wingspan? is not bad, he has great handles and high IQ, I could definitely see him staring at PG for a team that uses him that correct way.

He's the best shooter in cbb. Last time I checked his shot release looked even more improved.

Mark my words, whatever position he plays, either starting or off the bench, he's gonna be worth a top 10 pick.

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hmmm....that is an impressive

hmmm....that is an impressive wingspan for McCollum, but does he have the defensive ability to truly utilize it? Both players definitely come into the league with high IQ's for sure.

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CJ McCollum is the better

CJ McCollum is the better player, and will produce more offense than MCW- that I'm sure of. I also am not the biggest of MCW fans but believe that he could be very effective if inserted in the right system.

MCW needs a team that has shooters (for obvious reasons, because he can't shoot), but also needs a team that has post players. A major advantage to having big PGs is the fact that they can easily pass over/around smaller defenders. This advantage is lessened considerably if there's not a reliable target down low.

This reasoning alone makes Detroit a great spot for MCW. He won't even be close to the BPA at that point in the draft but would complement Detroit's existing positions very well. They would be able to keep Knight on the floor, who is still in his developmental stage. And they would be replacing Calderon's role of getting Monroe and Drummond the ball down low.

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I like

MCW i like his size and game being able to cross guard the 1/2(he best be careful not to turn out to be positionless like Wroten 2 guard size pg game no jumper for either position) but CJ reminds me of a Young Billip. I gotta go with C.J with the slightest of edges.

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McCollum by a lot. In the NBA

McCollum by a lot. In the NBA a lot of times it comes down to simply being able to put the ball in the basket and McCollum is light years ahead of MCW where that is concerned.

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MCW

Carter-Williams looks like he fits better as an NBA point guard. If be can grasp the mental part of the game, running plays, protecting the ball on pick and rolls, he's going to be dangerous. I think Detroit is the absolute perfect place for him. They have 2 guards who can score and of course Monroe and Drummond: he's the final piece of the puzzle. Watching him against Louisville this year showed me yes not afraid of the moment, and as an NBA rookie, especially at point guard and probably starting, every time he brings up the ball will feel like the moment. It can make or break a player's psyche. Once he gets that down you're looking at a guy who can put up 16 ppg, around 7-10 assists per, and close to 5 rebounds. Kind I like Grevis Vasquez with more athleticism. McCollum is a potent scorer no doubt, and he probably can be a full time point guard. I prefer point guards who can make scoring easier by dropping dimes and manning the plays. #MCWat8

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Watching him against

Watching him against Louisville showed you hes not afraid of the moment? What about the last game of his career in the Final Four game against Michigan.... 1-6 FG 2 points and 2 assists? That performance there worries more a lot more than hitting a game winner in January excites me.

As for the Vasquez comparisons they are a bit off. Do you remember how good of a scorer Vasquez was at Maryland? He averaged over 17 PPG 3 different years and was a much more accomplished scorer as a young player. He was a better shooter than MCW and had better scoring instincts. So while MCW is more athletic the rest of his game is not nearly as refined as Grevis's was.

As a Sophomore Grevis- 17.0 PPG 43.2 FG% 78.2 FT% 6.8 APG 5.7 RPG
MCW- 11.9 PPG 39.3% 69.4 7.3 APG 4.9 RPG

That Maryland team did lose 15 games so no doubt MCW had better talent around him. That may slightly inflate Grevis's scoring and MCWs assists when doing a comparison but not 5 PPG.

MCW is definitely equipped to be the better defender but he hasn't played a lot of man to man the last 2 years and it will take him some time to realize his defensive potential. Offensively I would be worried about MCW because he isn't a great finisher or shooter. If he finds his outside shot he will be a capable starting PG but without a jumper to keep the defense honest I question how effective he will be in the NBA.

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McCollum is a SG. CW is

McCollum is a SG.

CW is basically Grevis Vasquez with defense.

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