[Toronto16Participant]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5395989

Lol, Lebron you should have just stayed in Cleveland.

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

dude had a right to go anywhere he wanted..

but if your a basketball fan that really loves the game you’d wish he’d went to some other place then go play with a guy some say is a better closer then he is….

we loved watching him battle wade & kobe

now they’ve created a superteam

people loved watching the original dream team destroy folks
but that is like the allstar games only happens every once in a while…
people will be interested in watching them if they win the title next year..it’ll be kool..

but some folks might not be willing to watch in 2012-2013 when they go on a 30 game winning streak…

[ChrischiParticipant]

Give Lebron a Kareem and he might have stayed. It’s funny because they all played together with other Hall of Famers, while everything that Lebron had were two 2nd options who shot less than 40% in the playoffs, a 40 year old Shaq, the Brasilian Muchacho and Mike Brown as a coach. Seriosly, the more I think about it, the more I respect his decision.

[arc1212Participant]

LMAO give him the all time leader in points in the nba hahahaha…no that’s not happening
those players weren’t put together because they wanted it…..they were either drafted to their teams or traded…they all built their legacies from day one together you know? they didn’t choose to play together after they had been in multiple all star games, played in the olympics, and only one ring between the 3 of them
it is his decision though…as a basketball fan i would’ve rathered something else though

[SlimParticipant]

Johnson said James, 25, also has a bright future once his NBA career is over.

“I think he will be, one day, a great businessman,” Johnson said. “The first order of business for LeBron is to win championships. If you build your brand on the court, then that will take care of the off the court brand.”
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Lebron’s favorite team to play
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtERS1vr1p8
, not the Raptors, and not the Miami Heat
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the Miami Heats signings were designed to beat the Lakers and the Celtics

none of these guys have ever met in the playoffs…theyre not rivals

[sheltwon3Participant]

A lot of these older guys are kissing up to the media because in honesty, it is not Magic’s place to say anything. He had Kareem, Worthy, Cooper, Scott and a lot of other player that were better than anybody that Lebron had. I wish this old guy would not be some cowardly as to talk through the media. I want them to actually debate this with Lebron and when Lebron brings up how they had Kareem, Worthy and it was easier to get guys to come to LA then they will have to shut up or look real stupid. I like Magic and Michael the player but I hate them both as people. They have some messed up personality traits. Michael did not really say anything bad from what I read. He said what he would have done but he said in hindsight meaning with him knowing that he won 6 rings but if he had not won those rings I am sure he may have had a different answer. Rings are hard to get no matter who is on your team. Stockton and Malone were a tag team and they go closer but did not get it done. Lebron did not even has a Stockton to help him. I like Mo Williams but he was not compatible with Lebron and he is a above average point guard but he is not a star.

[ChrischiParticipant]

Who knows if Magic stayed with the Lakers if he hadn’t so much talent around him. Who knows if Jordan ever won all those titles if he joined a sucky organisation who’s unable to put the right talent (and the right coach) around him.

Just saying..

[LawDeeZeeParticipant]

Magic’s right … Lebron should have stuck his flag in the ground in cleveland and said, this is my city, my team, and we’re going to win by any means … that’s the mentality that jordan had, magic had, bird had … and so on! It’s a totally different mindset then what Lebron has. Lebron’s motivation to win championships is to grow his brand, he doesn’t have the unwavering desire that kobe has.

And you can sh!t on cleveland’s players all you want, but we all know any move they made for the last three years went through Lebron, he signed off on everything and he knows as well as we do that practice would have continued into the future had he decided to stay.

[SlimParticipant]

the LAkers got the #1 draft pick after they won the 1981 NBA title, NCAA champion James Worthy aka Michael Jordan’s mentor in college

the NBA draft lottery was invented so no championship contender would ever get into the lottery again so easily

so in addition to MAgic and Kareem and All-Star J. Wilkes you then add the #1 pick…

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Celts made the playoffs and then drafted McHale#1

the 80s were a different time

[omark422Participant]

First, let me start off by saying that LeBron had every right and reason to leave Cleveland. There more than likely wasn’t a championship to be had there. Furthermore, James has the right to go wherever he wants and wherever he feels is best for him. As an NBA fan, I’m sorely disappointed that James chose to play with Wade and Bosh. I thought he should’ve gone to New Jersey and brought an All-Star PF with him there. But that’s all in the past.

Now then, everybody points to how Magic, MJ, and Bird had spectacular players around them and that there was never a need to leave. That is true. They didn’t have to leave. But one of the greatest players of all time that nobody mentions is Hakeem Olajuwon. This guy played his entire career in Houston (except for Toronto at the end but we don’t count that). He had about as unheralded talent around him as any other great to have ever won a championship. He’s the all-time great that we should point to as an example of why LeBron probably should’ve stayed in Cleveland.

[SlimParticipant]

While sources close to James insist his heart is in Cleveland and remaining with the Cavaliers was his preferred choice, they say he had concerns about signing a six-year deal there and ending up “31 years old, with bad knees and no title.”

Lebron didnt want to wind up old with no titles
the view is Hakeem had to wait until top dogs retired, Lebron doesnt want to do that

he wants to beat the Celtics, and above all I believe he wants to beat Kobe Bryant,

those guys are the intense rivals that the media are complaining Lebron destroyed when he went to Miami,

if anything the Heat hurt those two media markets, Cleveland and Toronto, its all about money$,

Executives r scared that those places are going to lose money next season, and that players forming superteams could hurt other cities in the future

[LawDeeZeeParticipant]

Great example bringing up the dream!

[TONYDABOSS77Participant]

He Actually Told The Press He Wanted To Be Traded Very Early In His Career & Once Told Jack Kent Cooke (Old Lakers Owner) That If He Didn’t Put More Money On The Table That He Would Stay In College ..

So He Shouldn’t Say Too Much About LeBron ..

[surveParticipant]

Point # 1- athletes have evolved even since Jordan. When MJ was playing, he only had about 2 other guys that were even close to his level. Meanwhile, in the last decade, we have had a collective of stars.
If MJ was playing now, he would not have the distance between himself and the rest of the players in the league. At the same time we have had guys like Kobe, Lebron, Wade, KG, Iverson, McGrady, Nowitski, Nash, Shaq, Duncan, David Robinson all battling for MVP honors and scoring titles at some point and time. Also throw in guys like Durant, Howard, Anthony and a young Vince Carter, Chris Paul….ALL-NBA performers. More players on the same level. There is less separation now because there are more top level superstars.

Point # 2- Magic and Bird single-handedly saved the NBA from going out of business due to their rivalry. The NBA would NOT have allowed them to join forces. Or that would have been bad for the NBA.
Now its more acceptable because of Point # 1…there are still plenty of stars and good teams. Yes, Miami has 3 of the top 10 players in the league, but that doesnt guarantee victory. Anthony and Paul could be playing together next year. Bryant still has a great team, and Howard has a pretty good team. The Celtics have 3 hall-of-famers too, just past prime.

Point # 3- the same people saying Lebron shouldve stayed in Cleveland are the same people that are saying he is overated for not winning with Cleveland. They will be the same people dogging his legacy 6 years later when he is 31 and title-less.

Point # 4- rarely in history has there been any team that won championships without 2 Hall-of-Fame players. The ones that jump out that didnt were the Rockets with Hakeem and the Pistons with Billups. All though they had some pros with very successful NBA careers like Hamilton, Horry, Cassell. Out of some that won you had Bird/McHale, Jordan/Pippen, Shaq/Kobe, Kobe/Gasol (highly possible), Thomas/Dumars, Johnson/Jabbar/Worthy, KG/Pierce/Allen and please lets not go back to the old Celtics.

[JoeWolf1]

Point #1- Clyde Drexler, Karl Malone, Hakeem Olajuwon, Charles Barkley, Isiah and the Bad Boys, Nique Wilkins, Magic, Bird, Kareem, David Robinson (who you mentioned earlier, but played most of his prime along side of Jordan) were all battling much as the top players of the early 2000’s were. You can’t mis read Jordan’s drive and legacy and forget about all those players that pushed him to achieve what he did. If you think Jordan didn’t have to work and had total seperation from his competitors than you didn’t watch NBA basketball in that time period and are basing your opinion of NBA films and stats.

[surveParticipant]

who said Jordan didnt work? there is only so much separation that you can have in this time. Jordan was the clear leader when he was playing. I watched it, live, not films. I am the biggest Dominique Wilkins fan there is, but he is no Carmelo Anthony and for that matter Malone is no Duncan. The game has changed, and guys like Dwight Howard and Lebron James are proving that by coming out of high school and dominating. Lucky the rule was in place or John Wall wouldve came fresh out and dominated. Barkley was never battling Jordan as a top player, not sure if you were just caught up in the moment or not. Drexler was never considered to be on Jordan’s level. Rival…yes, equal…no. Lebron has done everything at 25 that Barkley did his whole career. When you talk about Jordan’s drive you act as if Lebron can do the same thing in times that are clearly different as far as athletes are concerned. Here is how close the divide is…if Cleveland wins the championship, Lebron is clearly the leagues best player, not Kobe. If Kobe wins, same applies to him.

[llperez]

rockets did have drexler for that second title and he is defenitely a hall of famer. Not nit picking, just pointing that out.

[tuck243Participant]

You know I love you bro and respect your opinions, BUT its not the same. They were all drafted there. Bird was, Magic was, McHale and Worthy. Jordan and Pippen were too. He chose to go to easily the Top 3 player in the leagues team. And what makes it worse is they have a similar game coming from the wing position. I don’t think it would be as bad if it was a big man. But Wade, LeBron, and Bosh? They CHOSE that.

McHale was selected 3rd overall BTW… And the Celtics had the #1 pick and traded for Parrish and the #3 pick… But still its NOT the same as choosing to team up via free agency. No one knew how great Worthy, McHale, or Pippen was going to be honestly. We all know just because you are the #1 pick it doesn’t translate to a Hall of Famer. The Heat are guys that are ALREADY established in the league and CHOSE to team up to thrash the league.

[surveParticipant]

we can argue this all day, draft picks are totally irrelevant. it doesnt matter if a team was drafted or put together. the point is you need good players to win and Lebron knows this, hence his decision. but if you want to argue that those guys were drafted, lets take it there. how about kareem was # 1 pick in 69, Magic was # 1 pick in 79, worthy was the #1 pick in 82, scott was #4 in 83. Not Lebron’s fault that the Cavs could not get 3 former #1 picks to play with him. oh, and the bulls? they got 2 lottery picks the same year with Pippen and Grant. How many lottery picks have the Cavs had since Lebron? me personally I didnt want to see him go to the Heat, but thats my opinion. You still cant compare his situation to anyone else, because the situations are different and so are the times.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Drexler was old and chasing a ring by the time he joined the Rockets though.

[SlimParticipant]

@IndianaBasketball

and Lebron says he didnt want to be Drexler, Lebron didnt want to wind up old with no titles

[tuck243Participant]

that he didn’t want to be old with no titles only proves how much of a B(&(*& he is… Im sorry but stop with the excuses… You suppose to have a kind of swag or arrogance about you that you can beat ANYBODY when you step on the court… Maybe he can say he doesn’t have a team if they limped into the playoffs… But they had the best record in the league 2 years running… When was the last time a star player said “Hell NAW!!! F NO… I’m tired of this s^&#!!! Its no way I can continue to play with you bums!!” When they just had the best record in the league 2 years running… WHEN??? Does that even make sense? So, that mean 1 or 2 things… Either you a punk and realize YOU just can’t win as the man or you so damn arrogant that you feel you are the ONLY reason YALL won those games… Im not thinking the latter because why would you go to Miami? Come on STOP the excuses…

The dude didn’t want to be the man and chose to go to Miami and join a superteam. Its NOTHING wrong with that… Just admit the damn thing… Stop continuing to lie to yourself…

[surveParticipant]

I am not sure who you are addressing but I am not making excuses for his decision. I am just saying there is NO comparison between what he is doing and what someone did 10-20 years ago. Jordan never really had the chance to explore free-agency like Lebron or he may have left Chicago. Not that one is right and the other is wrong, just different situations, Jordan said it himself…things are different now. If I were Lebron, I wouldve went to the Bulls or the Clippers, but damn sure would not stay in Cleveland so yall can kill that nonsense you talking. Cleveland is dead end organization, in ALL sports. If it were me, I would be looking at the future and history of the organizations, this is why Cleveland, NY, NJ would have been last on my list. I am not totally happy to see him go to Miami. I am just saying you cant use Jordan or Russell or anybody else as a frame of reference for what is going on TODAY.

[llperez]

@indiana basketball, clyde drexler was 32 and still an all-star. He averaged 22-6-5 that year and was a go to player on offense when hakeem needed a break. Not exaclty an old guy chasing a ring comparable to what malone or payton did with the lakers.

[omphalosParticipant]

Surve, Jordan played in a golden age of the NBA. The League was loaded with talent in players like Ewing, Miller, Barkley – who certainly was contending for best player, dude won MVP during Jordan’s first 3-peat. I think you are confusing athleticism with talent. The NBA is surely more athletic, but the players aren’t that much better than the 80s/90s if at all.

As for LeBron, I seem to recall that Jordan won more championships and MVPs after the age of 31. So that sort of comment sounds like a whole lot of crap to me. Honestly, it was probably made because LeBron knows he relies on his athleticism more than any elite basketball skills and that will fade by that age.

[surveParticipant]

once again, you are making a comparison when there is none. Jordan didnt rely on athleticism? yes he did, and you just proved my statement by saying players are more athletic today. correct. Jordan had an athletic advantage over the guys he was playing against then, than if he were playing today because his athleticism stood out more, same as Alcindor’s. Top player and best player are 2 different things. Top player goes along with team accolades, records, voting, etc….Top college player last year…Turner, best player…Wall. simple enough. Barkley is not and never was in the class of Jordan. I dont care what he won. The players are better, say what you want. If they were not, they wouldnt be coming straight out of high school and IMMEDIATELY dominating on the next level. I remember growing up and scouts were saying that Jason Kidd was better than Kenny Anderson. I thought it was an absurd statement at that time. Anderson was already in the league and Kidd was in the 10th grade IIRC. Kidd was not much more superior to Anderson in athleticism, but as time changes, the skills are more advanced at an earlier age. There was NO Garnett or Howard in Jordan’s era.

[JoeWolf1]

maybe I mis understood you, I think I read that Jordan had seperation from challanges and not being the best player. I agree there was no question Jordan was the #1 player, at all because he was winning titles, but before that there it was up for debate, but he had various challenges from teams and other top players, thats my bad I mis read your post. As far as the game changing you are right, but it’s all relative. Without Michael Jordan, Isaiah, Malone and others guys like Lebron, Carmelo, and Durant would be completely different players. If Lebron were born in the late 60’s like Jordan he’d probably be a great power forward, its just the passing of the torch and the evolution of the sport.

[surveParticipant]

yes, we are in agreement that Jordan was #1 player, as Bird said “God in basketball shorts”, but even without the titles he was still the #1 player…Bird conceded it even before Jordan won a title. Somewhat like Lebron is now (Kobe has more support). The fact that Jordan had the titles put that much MORE distance between him and anyone else who was even close to him. Had Lebron has won this year, that wouldve made him # 1 over Kobe, but only slightly. They are close to equal, just one closer to prime than the other. Here is something to think about though….Lebron will not average as many points with the Heat as he did with the Cavs, but if any person has a chance to average a triple double since Oscar Robertson….its him. With Wade and Bosh to pass to, certainly we can expect his assists to be the same or better.

[SlimParticipant]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMA9LiQIgKA

superteam or not…
I will watch that…Miami Globetrotters
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the Miami games are going to be so wide open, now instead of 1 transition option the Heat have 2, they can fast break anytime they want

all the reports of not being able to share the ball are media trying to cause insurrection

[surveParticipant]

oh yeah, another thing, Barkley said about Lebron….”you dont go to play with other guys, they come to play with you” well remember, a lot of people didnt want to play with Charles….lol. so what is he talking about? secondly, Lebron has done everything Charles has already done and he is only 25, he just doesnt have a ring…but neither does Chuck! so Barkley’s comments on this subject are weightless. He is not Magic or Jordan, he just rides their jock pretending to be in the same class of competitiveness.

[surveParticipant]

and Johnson only had to worry about how to beat Bird, Lebron had to worry about beating Wade and Shaq, Howard (who upset them already), Garnett/Pierce/Allen and a potential threat of a young Hawks team….now…thats just the EAST. lol. Its not the same….its not easy for ANYONE to win a title, thats not a knock on Lebron but evidence as to how much more common the top level opposition is. With Bosh and Wade on the same team and the Lakers going for 3-peat, its unlikely Lebron could win a title anywhere without pairing up with someone great. The East is hard enough to get out of then you have to deal with a very balanced even if unspectacular Western Conference.

[NJHooper95Participant]

First off, I believe as a free agent you have the right to go anywhere you choose, that’s why you are call FREE Agent. Yet, i do believe Lebron move is from a lack of competitiveness. Secondly you cannot compared Magic and Michael and, Larry situation to Lebron. First of all Kareem was traded to the Lakers, Magic did not call him and say come play. Magic and worthy were both drafted by the Lakers. Parish was traded from golden state to the celtics, Larry did not called Parish to come and play for the Celtics. Mchale was drafted to Boston and no one knew he would turn out to be that good. His first three of seasons as a celtic were average. Michael had Scottie, a player drafted out of Central Arkansas who noboby had heard of. No one can honestly that they thought Scottie would emerged into a hall of famer when he got drafted. So Magic and company are right this is a lack of competitiveness by lebron and his crew. But maybe we were wrong, everybody wants Lebron to be like Mike, maybe he is more like Scottie than mike and if so thats cool.

[jjmass22Participant]

NBA players look better than ever with no hand checking, if you honestly think players are overall better on today’s gameyou need to evaluate yourself as a basketball fan, because it not close, players were better back then, they just had defense so it didn’t look so easy

[surveParticipant]

jjmass22….if you DONT think players are better today, then perhaps you would like to explain why they have a complete set of skills by the time they are 18, like John Wall? How guys like Howard and James can come straight out of high school and dominate? explain why scouts are looking at players from a junior-high level now. explain why some kids are considering getting tutors and considering playing overseas at 16 years of age. the competition level is different, if you cant see that then you are blind or have your own agenda for saying what you are saying. Lebron has taken a bunch of average players to the finals already, but had to face a GREAT San Antonio team. its not as easy to win today as you guys make it seem. Am I speaking in terms of athleticism, yes…but thats a part of being able to compete. The more athletes advance, the less the separation. When MJ was playing, who was really athletically in his class? Only a couple of guys like Dominique. Now, even though Dominique was athletically in his class he wasnt quite on Jordan’s skill level. Great but still a step below. Today you have more than one player who has those attributes. When McGrady was healthy he was on the same level as Kobe. Athletically and skillwise. Guys like Durant would average 50 points per game easy if they were playing 30-40 years ago. If you dont think so you must be stuck in your own little vacuum of time.

[sheltwon3Participant]

tuck243, is it Lebron’s fault his Gm’s suck.

If LA, Chi town, Boston did not get quality players then I could say that you can compare Larry Bird, Magic, and Jordan together but they had pretty good Gm’s or were very lucky but back in those days players were not getting these crazy contracts and it was easier to trade and move players. Nowadays you have have untradeable contracts and players that are not a good fit but are paid so much can cripple your franschise for half a decade or more

[surveParticipant]

sheltwon3 agree with you. the fact that Magic’s team was not put together through free agency does not change the fact that he had great players around him. thats all Lebron wants. once again, did I want to see him go to the Heat…NO. Lebron’s situation is different, so what if nobody knew who Pippen was when he was drafted??? Lebron never really had a chance to get a Pippen. If you want to say the Bulls were lucky, fine, the Cavs were not that lucky. that goes along with draft picks….and I dont remember the Cavs having a top 5 pick after James. that also goes along with the talent available in the particular draft crops. people can say its a lack of competitiveness all they want but its not the same competitive era. Not one team is particularly dominant, not even the Lakers or the Spurs. If you want to compare James to Magic, then you need to get him 2 # 1 picks and a #4 pick. Regardless of what method you bring them together, thats the only way you can compare situations. This is why you cant compare Sugar Ray Robinson to Floyd Mayweather….or vise-versa!!! There is no comparison in sports between athletes of different eras! Lebron is catching flack because Wade and Bosh didnt go to Cleveland….1st of all they both couldnt, second of all, I dont think they would if they could. Cleveland sucks as a franchise…and not just in basketball. Who’s to say if David Geffen owned the Clippers and not Donald Sterling, that Lebron would not have went there? I dont think his decision was as easy as him saying I want to play with Bosh and Wade.

[bullsfan121212]

was putting up lebron numbers when he was healthy and jordan was still winning. rookies could still dominate

[ChrischiParticipant]

Cleveland not only sux as a franchise, it also sux as a town.

[dipt1982Participant]

@surve, you are clearly blinded by what you see. Correct, the players of now are looked at through a telescope at age 16, but that’s only because everyone in this era is trying to find the “new guy”, the “next MJ”. This whole decade is completely media driven, unlike in the 80’s and 90’s which was a time when players actually honored traditions and played in college for four years. Players have changed and times have changed. It’s completely unfair to compare the two when they are completely different times.

As for LeBron, say what you want, but he’s taking the Drexler and Malone role at 25 years old to chase a ring. If you think it’s so difficult to win in the East against the competitors you names, then how was it a problem to win 60+ games the past two seasons with the same cast of players he had in those playoffs. He just couldn’t live up to the hype. He tried to convince Bosh to come to Cleveland, but there’s a point when you realize your not going to make it work, I don’t hate the guy, just don’t think he can do it without superstars around him.

Another ridiculous comment you made was that “Malone is no Duncan”??? Are you F-ing serious??? Your obviously about 15 and have never watched Malone play, he is undoubtedly the greatest PF to play the game, 2nd on the ALL-TIME scoring list and never won a title due to the competition of facing Michael Jordan. Sure, he played with Stockton, and NO ONE else, Duncan had a much better team around him for most of his career. Malone never had a Parker, Ginobili, or a David Robinson all on the team with him…

[tuck243Participant]

Are you insane? Are you saying complete skill set or athletic ability? Which one? whatever you do PICK and stick to it. And let me take you to school… Clyde Drexler was atheltic… No? Dr. J? Darryl Dawkins? Didn’t Moses Malone get drafted out of high school? James Worthy? I swear Wilt AND Bill Russell both ran track and participated in the high jump in college… Hmmmmmm… Chamberlain ran a 10.9 100 yard dash… Shut the F%& UP!!! You have no clue what you are talking about… As far as overall basketball skills… WHERE ARE THEY? Stuffing the stat sheet isn’t the same. Where is Dwights post game? Wall’s jumper? Or LeBron’s mid-range? And you DARE to say some of these fools would dominate back then?

Sheltwon and Surve…

It is difference first to Sheltwon. LeBron gave them NO long term flexibilty for they had to win NOW… The trades they pulled off was ridiculous… They traded Damon Jones for a 18 point scorer in Mo Will (the Bucks didn’t want to pay Mo). They traded Ben Wallace for Shaq who was coming off a 17 n 8 season. They traded NOTHING for Jamison!!! The rest was free agent role players… But they had the peices to fit around LeBron… Do you really think if they had Chris Bosh last year instead of Jamison they would have beaten the Celtics? KG dominates Bosh, Amare, and Jamison… There wouldn’t be a difference to the outcome. You have to go to your players in order for them to do something. Jamison average 7 shots a game that series. How can ANYONE be effective that way. Everyone said Shaq clogged up the lane. NewsFlash Shaq ALWAYS clogged up the lane. For Penny, Wade, and Kobe he freed the lane up for them to do whatever they wanted, BUT with LeBron he clogs it up? Hmmmmmm… Shaq was still getting doubled team last year… Like I said if you dont go to your players its no use in having them. Whats the purpose of having Shaq if you don’t give him any touches? What can he do for you? Call it bad coaching, BUT LeBron had every type of playing style last year playing with him and still couldn’t win STOP making excuses. The man is 8 years into the league and still getting excuses made for him.

LeBron realizes he needs great players to win because Magic, Jordan, and Bird had it… LOL… Its not the same and to even say Jordan probably would have did the same is NUTS too. Every NBA player has to sign a contract (even back then believe it or not) its NOT new… LeBron, Wade, and Bosh CHOSE to structure their contract that way. Jordan never had a chance to hit free agency because he never wanted too… He didn’t HAVE to sign a extension with Chicago. f&#^ out of here… Stop giving the submissive 6’8 260 pound MAN excuses…

[ChrischiParticipant]

I think you can compare Bird and Magic to the players today. But everything before that is worse. Serioulsy look at Wilt. Put him in his prime into the NBA right now. I don’t think he would have been more than a solid center. He only dominated because he was the tallest guy.

Nobody said they were complete players, so stop saying “where is Dwights postgame” and” LBJ’s mid-range game” that’s just bs. Did Jordan have a reliable 3pt shot when he was 25???

[surveParticipant]

you are right chrischi, these fools dont know jack about nothin, I am not 15, I am 40 and grew up down the street from chapel hill and knew who jordan was when he came out of high school when most of these fools never heard of him til his last year at UNC or rookie season in the NBA. Dwight Howard is dominant as hell and he dont even have a complete skill set…YET. Durant is not even close to being as dominant player as he will be, he is just scratching the surface. scary right? to the fool that said I aint seen malone play, u are plain ignorant, I seen him play, as well as duncan for 4 years at wake and his whole nba career and if you think malone is better I would like to know your basis for that, especially when he didnt win jack s**T. I didnt say Wilt was not an athlete. Why not throw Jesse Owens in there while you are at it….like Usain Bolt is not crushing records. Athletes are not only getting better but great athletes are more common today. I did say players are more athletic and coming with a more complete game at a younger age, I wasnt flip flopping. Wall will revolutionize the PG position in the league and you are right, he doesnt even have a complete game yet…so what does that tell you. you are blinded, but I dont know by what. I just had to get that off my chest because you fools need to get a good set of common sense before you just start sprouting rhetoric just because you dont like a player or hold them to some dumb-a$$ double standard. later suckas.

[tuck243Participant]

Did you not read when I said Wilt ran a 10.9 100 yard dash? Name ONE 7’1 300 pound player that can do that? He Broke records in the high and long jump…

Dwight Howard is 6’11 260… Wilt is Bigger… Longer… Faster… Athletic… More fundementally sound… And just more dominate than D.Howard… And YOU… YOU!!!!!!! Think Wilt in his prime can’t play in this league today? Hmmmm… Especially a time (today) where athletic ability is the MAIN thing you need to be a superstar? Hmmmmmm… You know what you’re right… Im bugging…

[sheltwon3Participant]

Wilt was 300 lbs I did not know that

[sheltwon3Participant]

Also I think Dwight is 275 280 right now

[stanford hoops]

@surve Players could have come out of hs and played well or dominated back in the day as well. Wilt could have. Kareem. The big o.

And I wish people would stop confusing the regular season with playoffs. It’s basically two different seasons. Lebron didn’t have a championship caliber team. Name one title team that his the was in the same leauge with. No one could take the cabs to the title so he’s not to blame.

The goal of players is to get paid and win titles. Yeah some want a best player ever legacy but not as much as fans want. Titles and getting money is more important

[billykParticipant]

I dont care who you are you are NOT winning a championship with Mo “frontrunner” Williams at the point… Why do people act like a over the hill Shaq and Jamison are championhip quality players… Shaq clogging the middle for Kobe and D wade is a DIFFRENT Shaq clogging the lane for LBJ… Jamison averaged 7 shots a game because he was INTIMIDATED by Garnett.. Wilt would kill in the NBA he was a bigger nastier version of Dwight Howard… Wilt in his prime would put up 30 and 10 in the league.. His size and skill level was far before its time…

[ChrischiParticipant]

if you look at wilts wikipedia all those records are in his early years when he was weighing WAY less than 300 lbs, so stop lying to make him look better. I have to admit that I am way to young and never watched a live game or anything with him. But like in every sport, people’s bodies, technics, tactics, scouting and all that stuff improves over the years. Thats why I think that Wilt would never be able to have a 100 points game, because today’s center are as long or longer, and as strong or stronger than him. That’s just a fact.

[billykParticipant]

What center in the NBA today is longer and stronger than WIlt.. Of course he would not be able to score 100 pts in the NBA today, but he could average 30 and 10… He had the physical attributes (7’1 275 in his prime)…

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