[TRC1991Participant]

Here are five players who have struggled thus far:

1) OJ Mayo- Ok so I know he is coming off the bench but still you can see in his game that he is horrifically uncomfortable coming off the bench. The results of his play can indicate this too. He is shooting under 40% from the floor and his averages of 12 points, 2 boards, and 1.7 assists are really not good since he is getting about 30 mpg. His FT shooting and 3PT shooting has also dropped. His defense has been sub-par and his attitude has been miserable. Can someone say Trade Deadline piece?

2) Richard Hamilton- Holy smokes has this guy sucked or what…3 = the # of games he has been ejected… 4 = the # of games he has 20+ points in…lets see which number ends up being higher. You know your team is a complete joke (detroit pistons) when your 2nd option is averaging 13, 2, and 2 (richard hamilton). This competitive former NBA champion is averaging 4 points less than his career average indicates and he is also shooting a frigid 41.2% from the field. Yuck. Oh, and theyre paying him over $12 mil a year to perform this poorly.

3) Joe Johnson- Christ all friday, this guy has been a morbid disgrace to the NBA this year. After his gargantuan contract this summer, one could only imagine he would be coming out firing on all cylinders yet this run-down vet has seen his shooting tumble and his scoring dip gruesomely. His PPG average hasn’t been this low since 04-05, he is shooting a freezing cold 40.9% from the field and his 3-point shot is a complete joke right now. He is firing at an awful percentage of 25.6. Oh and he is averaging the least amount of boards per game since 2002-2003…Somebody got their paycheck and fell on their face if i ever did see it.

4) Rashard Lewis- Damn man, 12.4 and 4.3 while shooting 42.6% from the field? You’re really living up to your $19.6 mil salary this year aren’t you pal. The one thing that bugs me about Lewis is his non-interested attitude. He never really cares when he is sucking it seems like. You could try to blame it on his age (12 years in the league) but at the same time hes only 31. This year compared to his career averages: down on every positive statistic…and up in fouls. Can someone please explain to me why he is getting paid 19 million to do what sonny weems is doing for $854,000

5)  Baron Davis- Baron, Baron, Baron. Oh sweet god have you been terrible or what? We know, you are pissed that Bledsoe has taken over and you are now a worthless and overpaid 31 year-old ballhogging backup. You have delighted the fans of the worst NBA team to the toon of 7 and 6 while shooting a swift 32.5% from the field and 17% from downrange. And you are costing LAC $13 mil a year. If only someone would be kind and take your contract off the clips hands…oh wait, i forgot it doesnt expire til 2013. Wow, you have F’d everyone.

runners up:

Tyreke Evans, JJ Hickson, Brook Lopez, Travis Outlaw, Quentin Richardson, Brandon Roy, and John Salmons

 

 

[DanEboyParticipant]

18.1 Pts 3 Reb 3 Ast for Brandon Roy? He should be in the top 5 instead of Lewis. We all knew he was pretty much done at this point.

[DanEboyParticipant]

18.1 Pts 3 Reb 3 Ast for Brandon Roy? He should be in the top 5 instead of Lewis. We all knew he was pretty much done at this point.

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

Mayo problem is he has been too unselfish..Trying to fit in…And it has him confuse about where or what he should do on the court…He’s not attacking the rim like he did his first 2 years,he’s setling for jumpers…

And even though Conley has improved his game alot this year, he still has poor court vision and sometimes fails to get teammates the ball in spots they are comfortable in..I say hold on to Mayo until next year when Henry will be a dependable starter..Right now Henry has been playing ok,but not great…

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

Mayo problem is he has been too unselfish..Trying to fit in…And it has him confuse about where or what he should do on the court…He’s not attacking the rim like he did his first 2 years,he’s setling for jumpers…

And even though Conley has improved his game alot this year, he still has poor court vision and sometimes fails to get teammates the ball in spots they are comfortable in..I say hold on to Mayo until next year when Henry will be a dependable starter..Right now Henry has been playing ok,but not great…

[sacphil_08Participant]

I can’t agree with you more about baron Davis and Richard Hamilton. They’re overpaid and old and they play like it. Rasheed Lewis plays on a definite contender and everyone on that team contributes 10-15 a game (points) so to me the points thing isn’t an issue. His FG percentage is strange though. People were saying that in the 09 season he was overpaid and didn’t earn it but then he hit all kinds of big shots which led to them getting to the finals and people were discussing if he earned it then. Joe Johnson plays in a different system than before and he doesn’t get as many touches and it doesn’t look like he’s made a smooth transition based off of his shooting percentages. He’s definitely the most overpaid guy but I wouldn’t call him an LVP. OJ mayo has never really gotten a chance to be what he can be and I think he needs a change of scenery. He wasn’t expected to be the MVP of the grizzlies so how is he the LVP. tyreke has been hurt all season with plantar fascitis and an ankle sprain so he’s nowhere near the same. JJ Hickson was never as good as everyone was saying to begin with, brandon Roy is obviously hurt and hasn’t been able to play “without restrictions” the way he did when he was an all star

[sacphil_08Participant]

I can’t agree with you more about baron Davis and Richard Hamilton. They’re overpaid and old and they play like it. Rasheed Lewis plays on a definite contender and everyone on that team contributes 10-15 a game (points) so to me the points thing isn’t an issue. His FG percentage is strange though. People were saying that in the 09 season he was overpaid and didn’t earn it but then he hit all kinds of big shots which led to them getting to the finals and people were discussing if he earned it then. Joe Johnson plays in a different system than before and he doesn’t get as many touches and it doesn’t look like he’s made a smooth transition based off of his shooting percentages. He’s definitely the most overpaid guy but I wouldn’t call him an LVP. OJ mayo has never really gotten a chance to be what he can be and I think he needs a change of scenery. He wasn’t expected to be the MVP of the grizzlies so how is he the LVP. tyreke has been hurt all season with plantar fascitis and an ankle sprain so he’s nowhere near the same. JJ Hickson was never as good as everyone was saying to begin with, brandon Roy is obviously hurt and hasn’t been able to play “without restrictions” the way he did when he was an all star

[llperez]

the guy who concersn me the most is tyreke evans. He shot like 2-10 today and is around 38% on the year from the field. 17 points on arguably the worst team in the league.

[llperez]

the guy who concersn me the most is tyreke evans. He shot like 2-10 today and is around 38% on the year from the field. 17 points on arguably the worst team in the league.

[llperez]

but im not saying tyreke is the least valuable by any means. He just concerns me becasue he should be having all the freedom in the world but instead has taken steps backwards.

[llperez]

but im not saying tyreke is the least valuable by any means. He just concerns me becasue he should be having all the freedom in the world but instead has taken steps backwards.

[Anton123Participant]

 What’s so bad ’bout Hickson? He’s averaging 11 points 5.2 rebounds in 24 minutes. Doing it for 1.5 million

His turnovers are frightening, but that doesn’t make him an LVP. 

[Anton123Participant]

 What’s so bad ’bout Hickson? He’s averaging 11 points 5.2 rebounds in 24 minutes. Doing it for 1.5 million

His turnovers are frightening, but that doesn’t make him an LVP. 

[DowJonezBFGParticipant]

I agree except for Roy, he is playing far from 100 percent and his career and health is on the line considering he has no meniscus in both of his knees.This means there is no cartilage to absorb the pounding associated with running and jumping, he’s playing bone on bone so give him some credit for at least suiting up for his team.

[DowJonezBFGParticipant]

I agree except for Roy, he is playing far from 100 percent and his career and health is on the line considering he has no meniscus in both of his knees.This means there is no cartilage to absorb the pounding associated with running and jumping, he’s playing bone on bone so give him some credit for at least suiting up for his team.

[omphalosParticipant]

Yeah Hickson has made strides with his game, but nobody expected him to fill the void left by Lebron.

Mo Williams and Antawn Jamison have been the most disappointing Cavs in my opinion.

League-wide, I agree about Reke, can’t believe he scored 5 points in the loss to Miami, he seems well off his game at the moment.

[omphalosParticipant]

Yeah Hickson has made strides with his game, but nobody expected him to fill the void left by Lebron.

Mo Williams and Antawn Jamison have been the most disappointing Cavs in my opinion.

League-wide, I agree about Reke, can’t believe he scored 5 points in the loss to Miami, he seems well off his game at the moment.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

He is not slacking just has no cartilage at all,and that is going to hurt his career big time. Hickson was never that great so his performance is no surprise,never understood why people were gassed up on him. Tyreke needs to improve his jump shot they play him for the drive all the time. He also is a shooting guard who is not a great shooter. Evans is not a PG. Joe Johnson can’t not be your highest paid player or your leader. He is too laid back, and does not play with any passion.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

He is not slacking just has no cartilage at all,and that is going to hurt his career big time. Hickson was never that great so his performance is no surprise,never understood why people were gassed up on him. Tyreke needs to improve his jump shot they play him for the drive all the time. He also is a shooting guard who is not a great shooter. Evans is not a PG. Joe Johnson can’t not be your highest paid player or your leader. He is too laid back, and does not play with any passion.

[bdoody42Participant]

I thought Corey Maggette would really help the Bucks this year… but he seems to be doing the opposite. The team is not playing the same defense this season at all.

[bdoody42Participant]

I thought Corey Maggette would really help the Bucks this year… but he seems to be doing the opposite. The team is not playing the same defense this season at all.

[jaysmith1987Participant]

Sad to say but I think reke maxed out as a rookie he reminds me of larry hughrs a tall guy who can play point and b good on Tbad teams. Even tho he won rookie of the year last year I thought steph and jennings would be better pros. For reke to b succesful he needs to b at point and it looks like they using him at the 2 again

[jaysmith1987Participant]

Sad to say but I think reke maxed out as a rookie he reminds me of larry hughrs a tall guy who can play point and b good on Tbad teams. Even tho he won rookie of the year last year I thought steph and jennings would be better pros. For reke to b succesful he needs to b at point and it looks like they using him at the 2 again

[jaysmith1987Participant]

Reke strugled at the 2 in college its obv they got a coach who is a fan of conv basketball and sees a 6 5 guy and wants him to b a 2 guard.

[jaysmith1987Participant]

Reke strugled at the 2 in college its obv they got a coach who is a fan of conv basketball and sees a 6 5 guy and wants him to b a 2 guard.

[JNixonParticipant]

Tyreke Evans flaming out is weird, but I can understand it. Last year he was super ball-dominant, and he’s not a good shooter, so with a year of playing him and breaking him down with advanced scouting and such, teams have made him play to his weaknesses. And as someone said, Evans has also seen more time off the ball this year, so that also is less beneficial to him. We all saw at Memphis how mediocre a player he is when he isn’t allowed to dominate the ball. Evans hasn’t grown up much in terms of how to play or developed much in terms of how to improve weaknesses.

[JNixonParticipant]

Tyreke Evans flaming out is weird, but I can understand it. Last year he was super ball-dominant, and he’s not a good shooter, so with a year of playing him and breaking him down with advanced scouting and such, teams have made him play to his weaknesses. And as someone said, Evans has also seen more time off the ball this year, so that also is less beneficial to him. We all saw at Memphis how mediocre a player he is when he isn’t allowed to dominate the ball. Evans hasn’t grown up much in terms of how to play or developed much in terms of how to improve weaknesses.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

I don’t think Brandon Roy should be on the list since he’s playing injured. I also don’t think Hickson should be on the list.

I agree with everybody else though. Mayo isn’t even the same player. It’s gone downhill for him since getting cut from Team USA. Nobody wants to acknowledge it, but Mayo hasn’t improved since high school. He’s still the same player.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

I don’t think Brandon Roy should be on the list since he’s playing injured. I also don’t think Hickson should be on the list.

I agree with everybody else though. Mayo isn’t even the same player. It’s gone downhill for him since getting cut from Team USA. Nobody wants to acknowledge it, but Mayo hasn’t improved since high school. He’s still the same player.

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

Lord, please. OJ Mayo would be a FANTASTIC Knick. Please.

I do think Taylor is being a little tough. Hamilton is STRUGGLING because Detroit has the WIERDEST sub pattern in the NBA.

I agree with the rest however, just a little too rough TC lol

 

I disagree Indiana, I think Mayo just lost ALL confidence. Remember, he was the 2nd best player on Memphis last season. To go from that, to no contract extension talks, to benched isn’t something anyone wants.

I think Mayo is the perfect 2nd/3rd guy. He’s a 18-4-4 guy who’s plays super defense at a position full of scorers. I want him NOW.

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

Lord, please. OJ Mayo would be a FANTASTIC Knick. Please.

I do think Taylor is being a little tough. Hamilton is STRUGGLING because Detroit has the WIERDEST sub pattern in the NBA.

I agree with the rest however, just a little too rough TC lol

 

I disagree Indiana, I think Mayo just lost ALL confidence. Remember, he was the 2nd best player on Memphis last season. To go from that, to no contract extension talks, to benched isn’t something anyone wants.

I think Mayo is the perfect 2nd/3rd guy. He’s a 18-4-4 guy who’s plays super defense at a position full of scorers. I want him NOW.

[WizardofOzParticipant]

Reke has been far from impressive this season, but he’s been playing through a foot injury all year, and it’s probably bothering him.

[WizardofOzParticipant]

Reke has been far from impressive this season, but he’s been playing through a foot injury all year, and it’s probably bothering him.

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

hamilton is only gettin 26 mpg and still averaging 13 ppg…  he just needs more mintues

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

hamilton is only gettin 26 mpg and still averaging 13 ppg…  he just needs more mintues

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Rudy Gay. Zach Randolph. Marc Gasol. I’d say OJ Mayo was the third or fourth best player on Memphis last season.

Mayo isn’t the super defender you seem to think he is. IF that was the case, why didn’t he see one second of playing time during the fourth quarter vs the Clippers yesterday to defend Gordon? Tony Allen played majority of the third and all of the fourth quarter. And Mayo gets torched by bigger two guards… He’s a decent defender who tries to play aggressive when he’s up close.

The truth about Mayo is, he’s a tweener. And I don’t think his passing is as good as people think either (3 assists per game in 38 MPG last season). He’s pretty much just a scorer, which makes the sixth man role actually pretty good for him if he’d embrace it. He’s the top option on a second unit that has little scoring… Why he isn’t playing well is confusing.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Rudy Gay. Zach Randolph. Marc Gasol. I’d say OJ Mayo was the third or fourth best player on Memphis last season.

Mayo isn’t the super defender you seem to think he is. IF that was the case, why didn’t he see one second of playing time during the fourth quarter vs the Clippers yesterday to defend Gordon? Tony Allen played majority of the third and all of the fourth quarter. And Mayo gets torched by bigger two guards… He’s a decent defender who tries to play aggressive when he’s up close.

The truth about Mayo is, he’s a tweener. And I don’t think his passing is as good as people think either (3 assists per game in 38 MPG last season). He’s pretty much just a scorer, which makes the sixth man role actually pretty good for him if he’d embrace it. He’s the top option on a second unit that has little scoring… Why he isn’t playing well is confusing.

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

We respectfully disagree this time. From games I saw, it was Randolph-Mayo-Gay-Gasol in terms of roles on that team.

I think Tony Allen is a better defender then Mayo. I agree, he gets beats by bigger SG’s, but not as much as you think. I remember him defending guys like Joe Johnson and Kobe Bryant well last season.

I agree he’s a tweener. Maybe in NY, he can become that guy next to Felton? I dunno. I just feel, a slump shouldn’t be " let’s kill O.J. Mayo" I feel there’s still upside there and he could be a great fit.

NYK Bias part

If NY had to move to get him, I would believe Chandler and Randolph ( cash or a future draft pick) would have to be involved for him. If that’s the case, I think he’d be perfect next to Felton and the perfect 3rd option with Felton and Stoudemire. Also, you gotta throw in the fact he’d be loved by the crowd. I think he’d get into that groove again with so much support around him. In Memphis, they booed him a bit the past 3-5 games. I just feel it’s time for Mayo to leave, not because I love him to be a Knick, but because he seems to be the odd man out and the excuse why Memphis is struggling this season.

Stoudemire ( who’s passing the ball really well this season)- Felton- Mayo- Gallinari would be a exciting 4.

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

We respectfully disagree this time. From games I saw, it was Randolph-Mayo-Gay-Gasol in terms of roles on that team.

I think Tony Allen is a better defender then Mayo. I agree, he gets beats by bigger SG’s, but not as much as you think. I remember him defending guys like Joe Johnson and Kobe Bryant well last season.

I agree he’s a tweener. Maybe in NY, he can become that guy next to Felton? I dunno. I just feel, a slump shouldn’t be " let’s kill O.J. Mayo" I feel there’s still upside there and he could be a great fit.

NYK Bias part

If NY had to move to get him, I would believe Chandler and Randolph ( cash or a future draft pick) would have to be involved for him. If that’s the case, I think he’d be perfect next to Felton and the perfect 3rd option with Felton and Stoudemire. Also, you gotta throw in the fact he’d be loved by the crowd. I think he’d get into that groove again with so much support around him. In Memphis, they booed him a bit the past 3-5 games. I just feel it’s time for Mayo to leave, not because I love him to be a Knick, but because he seems to be the odd man out and the excuse why Memphis is struggling this season.

Stoudemire ( who’s passing the ball really well this season)- Felton- Mayo- Gallinari would be a exciting 4.

[bdoody42Participant]

Amare had 11 turnovers the other night he is passing real well… to the other team.

[bdoody42Participant]

Amare had 11 turnovers the other night he is passing real well… to the other team.

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

Amare had 11 turnovers the other night he is passing real well… to the other team.

You know….you can get turnovers without passing.

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

Amare had 11 turnovers the other night he is passing real well… to the other team.

You know….you can get turnovers without passing.

[CodySLCParticipant]

 Atlanta’s crazy for giving Joe Johnson a max deal. O.J. Mayo has the proven talent to not be on this list, but his skills are being used well right now.

[CodySLCParticipant]

 Atlanta’s crazy for giving Joe Johnson a max deal. O.J. Mayo has the proven talent to not be on this list, but his skills are being used well right now.

[PlatypusParticipant]

Mayo and Carrol or Arthur or Haddadi (or 2 of them) for T-Will and Humphries?

 

Nets become

Harris – Mayo – Outlaw – Favors – Lopez

Farmar – Morrow – James – Murphy – Petro

 

Grizz become

Conley – T-Wil – Gay – Randolph – Gasol

Vasquez – Henry – Young – Humphries – Thabeet

[PlatypusParticipant]

Mayo and Carrol or Arthur or Haddadi (or 2 of them) for T-Will and Humphries?

 

Nets become

Harris – Mayo – Outlaw – Favors – Lopez

Farmar – Morrow – James – Murphy – Petro

 

Grizz become

Conley – T-Wil – Gay – Randolph – Gasol

Vasquez – Henry – Young – Humphries – Thabeet

[omphalosParticipant]

I actually really like that T-Will deal. Terrence could be that playmaker for the Grizz, which lets Conley be more of a scorer and Gay remain unthreatened as go-to guy.

[omphalosParticipant]

I actually really like that T-Will deal. Terrence could be that playmaker for the Grizz, which lets Conley be more of a scorer and Gay remain unthreatened as go-to guy.

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