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Luke Harangody Versus Dumb NBA GMs

It looks like my favorite college player from last year will once again prove how many dumb GMs there are in the NBA. Last year, another one of my favorite players, DeJuan Blair, made them look stupid for the umpteenth time. Blair literally destroyed Thabeet in college, yet Thabeet went in the top two while DeJuan lasted until number 37. Are you kidding?

I realize it's only pre-season, but last night in NY Harangody played 22 minutes, scored 16 points and pulled down 12 rebounds. The Knicks couldn't keep him off the boards where he had 4 offensive rebounds. More importantly he looked very comfortable and Doc Rivers seems to have a lot of confidence in the young man.

I repeatedly said this last spring, anyone who tried to tell me there were more than 50 draft eligible players better than Harangody were on drugs. I couldn't believe he was slotted at the end of the 2nd round. I projected Harangody as a late first or very early second round choice. Now many GMs will be sorry they passed on him for who?


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LOL..To be fair alot of teams

LOL..To be fair alot of teams were scared away from drafting Blair becuz of questions about his knee..Even after he had a surprisingly good rookie year.They still say he'll be in the league only 4 or 5 years becuz of his knee..

But Sometimes scouts put way too much emphasis on athleticism than rather or not a guy can play the game..Boozer was labeled too short and he got outplayed in workouts by more athletic guys like Chris Wilcox,Tyson Chandler and Marcus Haislip.Thats why he lasted until the 2nd round..

Luke wont get much playing time this year being behind guys like Garnett,Davis,and Jermaine O'Neal..But he should benefit greatly learning and listening to those guys..

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Some guys are just great

Some guys are just great competitors and overall basketball players. Just b/c guys like Blair and Haragody don't look like your typical great NBA players doesn't mean that they won't make it in the league. If your giving me a pick in the end of the 1st, teams like the CAVS (omg how did you not take Blair) should be looking at these proven college players. While may predict they won't be superstars, no one is saying that they wont contribute at all. Why not bring in a guy who is good to go and put up some numbers right now, then grab a guy who may have some potential upside but otherwise is a huge bust waiting to happen.

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To be fair the Knicks couldnt

To be fair the Knicks couldnt keep Earl Boykins off the board.

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That is a good point though

That is a good point though Rudeboy. I forgot about the "knee issues". Funny how now that "knee issue" is a positive given that he has no ACLs so he can no longer damage them. Dude is a freak of nature.

Just a moment for me to shed some light on what I think of DeJuan...

ONE OF THE GREATEST PEOPLE IN THE NBA

- never forgets where he came from, I saw him a grocery stores in Pittsburgh and went to his homecoming party

- still is very very humble

- treats all people with respect

- All around genuinely nice guy

- shiotty rapper

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im one of thos epeople who

im one of thos epeople who doubted harangody. I knew he should get drafted, but i thought mid-late second round was appropriate. I always saw him struggling to finish down low against longer defenders and figured his lack of athleticism would limit him defensively. But we'll see. Wish him the best and its always nice to see a guy who plays 4 years and works hard succeed.

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"Now many GMs will be sorry

"Now many GMs will be sorry they passed on him for who?"

Not a one. At best, he is a mediocre backup power forward. Feel free to go through the league and find the team lacking any sort of competency out of a backup power forward that they would want to use a first round pick to draft a guy with minimal upside to fill that role..

"More importantly he looked very comfortable and Doc Rivers seems to have a lot of confidence in the young man."

Doc has confidence in Stephane Lasme and Semih Erden as well... to play in the preseason so as not to waste the energy or further inure KG, JO, Shaq, and Davis.

By the way, why didn't you post this after Harangody was 1-4 with 5 fouls in 14 minutes the other night?

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Quick Note on DeJuan Blair: Yes I knew about his knees but he is only one of many examples you see in every draft where NBA GMs make one bad decision after another.

1. Unlike many guys in this forum I don't follow or watch pre-season games. I just happened to be watching the Knick game last night because nothing else was on. That's why I brought it up this morning.

2. I never claimed Harangody would be an all star. All along I said he would be a very competent role player coming off the bench. My prediciton was 15-18 mpg, 8-10 ppg and 5 rpg. That isn't too shabby for a guy coming off the bench.

3. The only comment you made that I agree with is your pre-season wake up. That's a valid point. Even though it was pre-season, watching him last night confirmed what I believed all along, he belongs in the league. Even in pre-season you can tell a lot about a potential prospect.

"many GMs will be sorry they passed on him for who?"

Sorry you questioned my judgment. I projected Harangody as a late first or very early second round choice. Here are the last 5 guys taken in the first round and the first five in the second round. There are very few on that list I would take ahead of Harangody.

Quincy Pondexter

Jordan Crawford

Grevis Vasquez

Daniel Orton

Lazar Hayward

Tibor Pleiss

Dexter Pittman

Hassan Whiteside

Armon Johnson

Nemanja Bjelica

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"3. The only comment you made

"3. The only comment you made that I agree with is your pre-season wake up. That's a valid point. Even though it was pre-season, watching him last night confirmed what I believed all along, he belongs in the league. Even in pre-season you can tell a lot about a potential prospect.

"many GMs will be sorry they passed on him for who?"

Sorry you questioned my judgment. I projected Harangody as a late first or very early second round choice. Here are the last 5 guys taken in the first round and the first five in the second round. There are very few on that list I would take ahead of Harangody.

Quincy Pondexter

Jordan Crawford..."

So the 21 points, 5 assists, and 4 rebounds per Jordan Crawford has put up in his three preseason games doesn't impress you, but the one game of Luke Harangody confirms everything you already wanted to believe. Sounds reasonable.

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BothteamsPlayedHard, did you read what I wrote? I never singled out Jordan Crawford, I never said a word about him. I merely said there are very few on that list I would take ahead of Harangody. I stand by that comment.

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Yes, and you wrong. Who are

Yes, and you wrong. Who are these guys who should not have been taken? Tibor Pleiss and Nemanja Bjelica were drafted by teams that did not have roster spots for second round picks. So did you want Harangody taken with the sole purpose of being cut? That sounds smart. Quincy Pondexter is Luke Harangody, but athletic so that clearly can't be the case. Jordan Crawford is playing tremendous basketball, and the best pick in that group. Hassan Whiteside can be a complete bust, and still be worth a second round pick over your beloved 37 percent shooting backup power forward. The same goes for Daniel Orton and Pittman. Taking a young center is worth a pick even if the odds are against them finding success. And frankly, Harangody would offer Orlando and Miami absolutely nothing, and that is kind of a revealed preference on their part given that Pat Riley passed on him three times. Portland? Really? He would not make the team.

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BothTeamsPlayedHard Questioned My Opinion

BothTeamsPlayed told me I'm wrong. I'm LOL!

I'm not wrong, I just happen to have a different opinion of Harangody's value versus those other players you mentioned You obviously disagree with my assessment of Luke Harangody and that's OK.

I'm not going to argue about what you wrote above, but I will say in general I disgree with most of your comments. There's no point in going back and forth because there's no objective criteria to prove who is right and who's wrong.

Once again, I stand behind my statement that I made last spring and will reiterate here, Luke Harangody deserved to be drafted very late in the first or very early in the 2nd round. He played in one of the toughest leagues in America and was a monster for 2 years in a row.

Finding a guy who can both score and rebound is very difficult. In addition, he's a guy who will be a terrific teammate and create zero problems for his head coach. I'm betting that Doc Rivers, who's one of the best coaches in the league, is thrilled with Harangody so far. Doc is probably wondering the same thing as me, how or why could so many teams pass on a guy with so much going for him.

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IMO, Gody will be a 5-7 ppg

IMO, Gody will be a 5-7 ppg scorer and throw in about 3-5 rpg this season, He'll get some time early with Perkins out, not because he'll play center, but Jermaine O'Neil will play more PF when Perkins gets healthy. I have a feeling he'll have a hand full of DNP - Coaches Decision too.

He was a very good pick for Boston at where he went, and I'm sure he'll be a backup PF in the league for 8-10 years, but I doubt he'll ever get enough minutes 10 ppg scorer for a season. But he's in a different category from Blair. Blair was expected by many to go in the mid 1st round, but because of questions on his knees he slipped. Harangody is injury free, but had questions about his height, athleticism and his game translating to the NBA, and he didn't slip. I think most draft analyzers professional or amateur had him in the 40-50 range.

The only team I can really see that might reconsider is the Bucks, because I feel Gody will have a better career than Tiny Gallon, but on the other hand they have Jon Brockman and are very deep at PF. He was a good pick at 52 and again, IMO, he'll have a solid career as a backup, but he's not the type of guy that in 10 years one of the teams that passed him is going to be saying "Ahhhhh! if only we drafted Luke Harangody we'd have a 8 year backup power forward who has career averages of 6.5 ppg and 5 rpg and good shooting percentages!!" Sure, he's going to be a valuable player and it's not a knock on him, but in my opinion, the Celtics are probably pumped they have him, but no one else cares that they don't.

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As you already know, I truly respect your opinion, and as usual, you made some excellent points. And you might be right about his playing time during his rookie season. However, the one area where we disagree is the level of role player Harangody will eventually become.

As I mentioned earlier, he isn't All Star material but I think Harangody will prove to be a better role player than you project. And I do believe there will be some GMs who regret passing on the guy. Let's face it, a very late first or an early second round choice is never going to be much more than a role player, so taking him in that portion of the draft wouldn't be much of a gamble.

Anyway, I think these kinds of opinions and discussions are fun and can't wait to see how it turns out.

As for DeJuan Blair, what you said about him was very true. I used him as an example because he was one of my favorite players and it happened just last season. As you might recall, I love guys who rebound. More importantly, you could return to just about every draft and find guys who went far too low while others had no business going so high.

I'm not talking about hindsight, which is 20/20. I'm talking about choices you know the day of the draft were idiotic. Those kinds of choices have me shaking my head and wondering about the judgment of many NBA GMs every year.

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rtbt, you've made some good

rtbt, you've made some good points and I know what you're saying about Harangody and I don't doubt that when all is said and done there will be quite a few guys drafted ahead of him that didn't pan out or that Harangody surpassed with career accolades. I too like guys who rebound and to be completely honest Jon Brockman was one of my favorite players drafted in 2009 so I know where you're coming from.

I differ in thinking GM's will regret not choosing him because of the trends 2nd rounders usually take. Many sign 1 or 2 year contracts (I'm not sure what Gody's contract is like) and if they do make an impact they bolt after those 2 years for a team who needs what they are strong in for offers higher than the team that drafted them will offer. Also, there isn't really a shortage of power forwards in the NBA right now. Many 2nd round draft picks who are good enough to contribute, but not good enough to warrant a 4-5 year contract ( again this is where our opinions differ) end up being journey men, good players than can be thrown into a trade , have value, often surpass players that were drafted ahead of them and GM's want to sign in specific free agent situations and often win championships in those roles, but rarely stick with the teams that drafted them. It's not a knock on Gody, just the situation I feel he is in.

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"Once again, I stand behind

"Once again, I stand behind my statement that I made last spring and will reiterate here, Luke Harangody deserved to be drafted very late in the first or very early in the 2nd round. He played in one of the toughest leagues in America and was a monster for 2 years in a row."

Notre Dame was better without him last year.

"Finding a guy who can both score and rebound is very difficult."

He has never been an efficient scorer, and he isn't a special rebounder. You are praising this guy for one preseason game against Anthony Randolph and Landry Fields.

"In addition, he's a guy who will be a terrific teammate and create zero problems for his head coach. I'm betting that Doc Rivers, who's one of the best coaches in the league, is thrilled with Harangody so far. Doc is probably wondering the same thing as me, how or why could so many teams pass on a guy with so much going for him."

All a bunch of nonsense based off nothing but you hoping it to be true.

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Luke Harangody Stats at Notre Dame

The stats below are for the open minded members of NBADraft. net. They aren't for someone who goes out of his way to be negative, close minded, and criticize at every turn.

Only an idiot would project a good NBA career for any player based upon one game. Unfortunately we have a group member who doesn't read carefully and makes incorrect assumptions that he makes up in his own mind. My comments on Harangody are based on his career performance and watching him play the last 3 years at Notre Dame. He is a walking double double who had a fantastic college career in one of the toughest conferences in the NCAA.

I realize his game isn't perfectly suited for the NBA game, but I still believe he will become an excellent role player. And as I've said many times on this site, you cannot win championships unless you have valuable role players on your squad.

There are very few players in the NCAA who rebound and score consistently. Luke Harangody's stats for his last three years at Notre Dame, in the very tough Big East Conference, prove he was a high caliber player. And I truly believe he can become a very effective role player in the NBA.

2007-08: 20.4 ppg and 10.6 rpg

2008-09: 23.3 ppg and 11.8 rpg

2009-10: 21.7 ppg and 9.1 rpg

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He will be a good role player

He will be a good role player and he got drafted exactly where he should have been drafted.

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The reason Luke Harongody

The reason Luke Harongody dropped so far is not because the people drafted above him were better, because most of them are not better basketball players...but because of his combine numbers. Luke is only 6'6 in socks, had 11% body fat, his highest vert was 29" and his wingspan was a half an inch longer then John Wall's at 6'9.5. Not only that his lane agility and court sprint were both pathetic.

With that said he was the strongest player in the draft and showed off his shooting in every workout. He is an intelligent basketball player who will do the dirty work, grab rebounds and hit 3's.

The Grizzlies didn't need him so they drafted Vazquez who is a clutch proven winner.

I would trade Pondexter for Gody in a heartbeat tho because I just don't think Pondexter has a role in this league. If Pondexter plays in the NBA why cant James White stick in the league?

But Miami would of greatly benefited from drafting him. Gody would of been the dirty work player that every championship team needs, i.e. Mark Madsen, But Harangody can also spread the floor for James and Wade. And not only that despite his size he has enough strength and rebounding prowess to play center along side Bosh. Gody can body people up.

Orlando already have a stud in Ryan Anderson but i think Gody may have a better career then Orton because Orton is made of peanut brittle.

And Gody will have a better career then Lazar Hayward too.

But in the end Scottie Reynolds is another undrafted player who I felt should of been drafted he owned the Big East one of the toughest conferences in America for 3 years how is that overlooked?

Manny Harris should of been drafted like come on, Ryan Reid and Pape Sy got drafted and Harris didn't

But the biggest Mistake of the draft were taking Turner over Cousins.

Wes Johnson over Cousins or Monroe

Udoh over Aminu, or Xavier Henry.

Gordon Hayward over Xavier Henry.

They are the type of picks that will come back to haunt teams IMO.

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Mr. 19134 on Harangody

Let me start by thanking you for an excellent, thoughtful, and interesting post. Even if I didn't agree with everything you said, reading intelligent arguments with logical conclusions was a pleasure.

Your summary of Luke Harangody's results at the Combine reminded me of a story that I believe was on NBADraft.net 2 or 3 years ago. They posted the top 15 overall scores of the players who were at the combine. In that list were the guys with the fastest times, highest verticals, longest reach etc. Guess what? Very few guys in that top 15 made it to the NBA.

The point of that article is that knowing how to play the game is far more important than raw combine scores.

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True and I love the combine

True and I love the combine and wait for it every year but it doesn't tell you much of how a players skills will translate.

Look at Jason Smith the big man the Sixers just traded. He had amazing combine score even better then Noah. He was a 7 footer with a 38 in vert who ran the floor like a guard. He also showed he could dribble and shoot in college and has a lot strength. But Jason Smith don't have a clue in the NBA.

Rodney Carney another example

Look at Jason Alexander he's a freak athlete who is another player who don't have a clue how to produce on the floor.

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Mr. 19134 on Alexander

I think you meant Joe Alexander. You mentioned both Jason Smith and Joe Alexander. I found that fascinating because both of them are on the same team in New Orleans. I think Jason Smith might be their starting PF while Joe Alexander doesn't get off the bench.

I must admit that Joe Alexander's demise is somewhat of a surprise to me. I know he had very little experience when he left WV early. In light of that, I thought with all of his immense physical talent, it would take him 2-3 years to develop. But so far he's shown absolutely nothing.

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The main problem is that the

The main problem is that the PF spot on most teams is pretty stuffed with a lot of talented players. I don't think Harangody is a 18min guy. More like a 5-7mpg guy like Scalabrine. Maximum. And he will never be a 10 5 guy in 18min. He sure is productive but not that good. I think mid/late 2nd round fits pretty well.

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Chrischi on Harangody

Chrischi, I clearly disagree with you. How you can compare a guy like Harangody, who kicked butt in the Big East for the last 3 years, with a chump like Sclabrine? Look at Harangody's stats @ Notre Dame. Scalabrine couldn't score that many points against a high school team. And forget about rebounding with Scalabrine. In fact, I'm trying to figure out how he stayed in the league so long.

Harangody's Stats @ Notre Dame

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2007-08: 20.4 ppg and 10.6 rpg

2008-09: 23.3 ppg and 11.8 rpg

2009-10: 21.7 ppg and 9.1 rpg

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What I was trying to say was

What I was trying to say was that he could take a Scalabrine role. I would take him over scal also "so far". But I don't think that he is a back up PF in the NBA. Just look at all teams and how stuffed the PF position is. Also, I think he'll have problems on defense. He's okay, like I said 3rd PF and playing with Boston he will probably not look too bad. But I don't think he is a 18mpg guy.

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