Let's get RACIAL!!
That chart was DUMB take a few sociology classes if you what an explanation of race diffrences.... I like it better when the topics are about the DRAFT.
I've never understood why its okay to say that groups of people may evolved different coloring, hair texture, and facial features to adapt to their environments, but when it comes to physical prowess at certain sports everyone freaks out. There's a reason people of West African descent make up about 75 percent of the league while being only ten percent of the US population, and its not just a cultural thing. There's a reason the fastest sprinters at the track meets are usually black, the best throwers usually white. I could go on and on about cultural (and population) history and how it relates to the sports we love, though there's no where near enough room (or real reason to) on this format. Since we're talking internationally, does anyone else think its interesting how basketball mad China, a country of 1.5 billion, produced only 4 NBA players, compared to Lithuania, a country of about 5 million, producing...well I don't know, but a lot more. Or how about Senegal, which doesn't have a very developed basketball program, but still manages to produce a few NBA players (and a ridiculous number of sprinters and soccer players).
Oh and for the record, in anticipation of whatever ignorant (and hopefully some not) comments may come, I'm white, black, and Indian (which is actually a really common mixture in this country).
Rudy and Manu are definitly caucasian( white). In America we consider Spanish speakers to be NON- White because the vast majority arent white. Most of them are Mestizo( Euro- Native american mix) or Mulato (Euro- African mix)or a combination of the 2 . Manu most likely considers himself to be Italian- Argentine, Just like for example a character like Tony Soprano considers himself to be Italian American .
No one is saying but for argument sake, I am pretty sure neither of the players you are refering too consider themselves white. People that talk about basketball do not consider them white. I do understand a lot of what you are saying and by looking at them you can tell their is more to them than them being white. I would think they were Mexican if i did not know where they were from. I also know that some Mexicans can put white on their birth certificates and other identification. In this country we do separate black from white from Hispanic from Asian. Going by this those players would not fall under white. All that technical stuff means nothing when nobody speaking of the sport suggests that those players would fall under white. Also Kris Humphries I think is mixed sort of like Blake Griffin.
Hey Iverson3, thanks for posting an intelligent set of thoughts on this subject. I've been so used to one ignorant comment after another that I began to wonder if anyone on this forum could discuss the subject intelligently.
I read that article and found it very interesting. Of course we could have come to the same conclusion using common sense.
Thanks, I'm glad you read it.
The thing is, without articles like this it is very hard to come to consensus conclusions using common sense (meaning in a discussion with other people.) The reason is that anybody can read a headline or short article, and claim that scientific studies have proven blah-blah-blah about race and pick your attribute. And you might reply with your doubts or other thoughts on the matter, but then they will repy "But the studies proved it- you are just being emotional about the matter."
A scientific study can show basically anything, depending on who is funding the study. Just this morning I was hearing about how the tobacco industry has spent millions of dollars on hundreds or thousands of 'scientific studies' over the years, all of which 'scientifically proved' there was no link between smoking and cancer. Gee- imagine that!
And even when we don't have an obvious agenda, our personal biases are going to come into play. I will be the first to admit that I find the general idea of link between race and intelligence to be not only grossly inaccurate and over-simplified in my personal opinion, but actually very revolting as well. So that affects how I view these things, and what I tend to pick up on. But that Gladwell article is a real eye-opener, and should at least raise plenty of doubt for anyone who thinks this is a scientifically closed issue.
I sorta took the OP's original post in jest, because it was just a little fun exercise in my eye, and because who cares, this is a NBA draft forum. Regardless of what the trend of a limited sample may or may not show, I doubt it would affect my judgement if I was a NBA GM at the top of the draft. Because there are far more DIFFERENCES between Larry Bird and Adam Morrison than similarities (i.e. skin color.) You don't draft a skin color in general, you draft a specific player.
Once again, even if we disagree [and we don't], it's so refreshing to read intelligent thoughts on this subject or any other one. You know it all started for me when I tried to point out the following. Probably 80 to 85% of all the players in the NBA are great athletes. Most of the exceptions are the slow, lumbering big guys.
The great athlete moniker includes ALMOST EVERYONE in that 80 to 85% range, both white and black. There are some great white athletes in the league and there are black guys who aren't very athletic. You simply cannot generalize about entire groups of people. Why is that so hard for people to understand?
I was also amazed by the number of people who cannot distinguish between facts versus opinions, which border on, or are out and out racist. For example, if someone said most of the great athletes in the NBA are black, that's a fact. But when they say the average black guy is a better athlete than his white counterpart, now we're talking opinion that is on the edge of being racist. It really depends on how it's phrased.
And then they were incapable of discussing the subject without firing off one ignorant insult after another. It's as if they've never engaged in an intelligent debate in their life.
As for race and intelligence, I've always said no one race has a monopoly on intelligence or stupidity. There are brilliant black doctors, scientists, CEOs, and there are black basketball players who can barely read or write. I think our President is brilliant and there couldn't be a better role model than him.
There are extremely intelligent white people who have advanced degrees in a variety of subjects such as physics, something I could never grasp. And then there are white people who are just plain ignorant and incredibly stupid. They have no clue when it comes to thinking logically and/or analyzing facts.
Anyway you're right, this is all about the draft. I tried to stay out of what I thought was an idiotic thread, but there were so many ignorant comments, that I couldn't take it any more. OK, I have a couple of more comments that I'll post in another message and then we can hopefully call it a day.
as far as overrall in every sport you have a point iverson..but i guess the ones that can jump just dont wanna play basketball
Thanks for your thoughts. That's a great point about NBA players- pretty much anyone in the NBA is a world-class athelete, period.
The other funny stereotype is the 'gym rat'- the scrappy white guy who is behind the ball athletically but compensates and excels by living in the gym. I am guessing that anybody who achieves any level of success in Division 1 college ball has basically lived in a gym since they were 8 or 10 years old. Some players of course work harder than others, but come on.
lol...dickie v loves the "gym"rat
Iverson wrote, "The other funny stereotype is the 'gym rat'- the scrappy white guy who is behind the ball athletically but compensates and excels by living in the gym."
Yes that's one of the most frequently used stereotypes of white players. Almost every player in the NBA lived in the gym virtually all of their young lives.
Another one we all hear is white players with a high basketball IQ. I'm sure there are just as many, if not more, black players with a high basketball IQ.