Do you not see how biased you're being?
You mention how the Cavs took the Celtics to 7 games in 2008 and how the Lakers lost to them in 6, BUT... You don't bring up how the Cavs lost to the Magic in 6 in 2009, but the Lakers beat them in 5.
All I'm reading are excuses for LeBron. I can make excuses for Kobe in 2008 too. How Bynum was injured. How Ariza was coming off of a broken foot in his first season with the Lakers. How RADMANOVIC was the starter at small forward. How Vujacic played a big role. How Pau Gasol hadn't played with the Lakers for an entire season.
Even with all the excuses u make for Kobe fact is he still had a top 5 pf with Gasol through the wins and losses and a great coach in phil jackson.
Lebron now has a 2nd option and possibly a good coach in spoelstra, just wait and see, but when u see the heat beat the lakers in the finals don't say I didn't tell u so
Kobe Bryant is 32 years old and entering his 15th season. He's played in the playoffs every season of his NBA career, except one. The mileage on his legs is significant. The fact that there is even still debate as to who the best player is speaks volumes to me about just how good Kobe is. LeBron SHOULD be better. It shouldn't even be arguable, but... It is. That's how good Kobe is. LeBron is better, but I respect Kobe's game and the way he goes about it a lot more.
The Heat SHOULD win it this year. IF they don't, it's a failure.
heat better not look past boston or orlando.. BUt i cant wait for the first game between lakers and heat this year. It could be some record breaking numbers if both teams are healthy. Kobe getting rest all summer and watching his title summer being overshadowed by lebron and the heat is gonna have him pissed. Careful what you wish for heat fans.
The best point of this whole argument was that the main reason LAL even won the championship was because Allen, Pierce and Rondo sucked, and Perkins was suspeneded for game 7. Don't use championships to judge individual players so much.
I agree, and If Lebron can't pull through with this team, than it is a serious problem.
But, would you be willing to concede that he's better than Kobe if he does win? Because it seems like the people who are saying put up or shut up will be the same ones who say that it doesn't matter if he wins because his team was so good.
My how people forget....
Do we not remember Artest and Gasol having to save Kobe's ass off of missed game winners in the playoffs in very crucial games? Or in GAME 7 OF THE FINALS!?
And Kobe isn't even healthy going ino this year, his finger looks like 2 fingers morphed together, and he just had damn knee surgery...He isn't even playing yet.
I will take the Heat over LA 1000/1000 times this year, or any year.
Didn't you say the Cavs would be the Celtics last season because the Celtics were (and I quote) "Too old?"
What does that have to do with the conversation? Or do you just wanna be smart.
I won't have to concede that LeBron is better after he wins a title because I think he's better now. Younger, less mileage, better numbers... He's the more dominate player and better at this stage of his career.
For people saying how others saved kobes ass. Lakers dont get out of the first round without kobe stepping up and gaurdinng westbrook and hitting for 30+ in game 6 against okc. He absolutely torched utah and phoenix. Its laughable people are getting on kobe for the missed game winner against phoenix. He hit the shot that tied the game with 30 seconds to go but then shoots a contested double pump fadeaway 3 over 2 defenders and misses it and he didnt step up? lol. Anyone expecting him to hit that shot needs to lower their expetations a little.
ANd about game 7, kobe still had a good overall game. He got 15 rebounds, slowed rondo down as he did throughout the finals more then any other team was able to and scored double digits in the 4th quarter when the lakers won it. Perkins was injured, but considering the celtics only scored 79 points and rasheed wallace who started in perks place was one of their best offensive performers that game, im not sure perk would have meant a W.
"Anyone expecting him to hit that shot needs to lower their expetations a little."
Then, he shouldn't have shot it. right?
And on game seven... That just goes to show that the supposed "bes closer in the game" wouldn't have closed the biggest game of the year, I mean having a horrible game in that setting is unexcusable. But if your going to dismiss it like that then you could also say that Lebron had a good game against the Celts because he had 19 rebs and a trip-doub.
I don't know why the Lebron-Kobe debate is debatable honestly. Lebron's been better the past two years and Kobe's been the worse player on the much better team, that is the only reason it's debatable. This year there will be no debate
but he did close game 7 with a great 4th quarter where he got 10 points and continuously took ray off the dribble and hit a huge jumper with about 3 minutes to go when the game was on the line. He played great in the 4th when everything was on the line. And as for the shot he took against phoenix, he had to shoot it. They threw the ball to him with 3 seconds left and he was immediately trapped in the corner by a double team. He had no time or space to dribble or read the court, best thing he could do was try to get it up there qucick so his teammates had an opportunity to make a play.
If I remember correctly, he missed 2 game winners. One was put back by Artest and one by Gasol. I think...Correct me if im wrong. If there is time to put it back up after a missed jumper there is time to make an extra pass.
OK... Because YOU say so, it's not debatable.
yeah he missed a jumper against okc. Got a great look from about 15 feet and shot it a few inches long. He missed it. But no, he didnt have time to make an extra pass in the phoenix game becasue he was trapped in the corner by a double team and even another split second of holding the ball would have made it impossible to read where the next pass was.
The last second shot vs OKC was a legit shot. He just missed.
You would've liked a better shot against the Suns, but he was in a tough spot. He had to take what he could get in that situation. Still... I'd rather Kobe take that shot than anybody else in the NBA.
"OK... Because YOU say so, it's not debatable."
I say so too.
"The last second shot vs OKC was a legit shot. He just missed."
Oh, ok. Im sorry, it was a legit shot, so its fine that he missed, because it looked good.
Yea... Says the kid with LeBron wearing a do-rag as his profile picture.
I rep the best and he is the best.
you could make all the excuses you want, its just a simple fact that if you actually watch these two play it will become immediately clear who is better.
there is no simple fact about it when half the world is debating it.
there is no need for debate, its just unnecessary.
There's a big difference though between "LeBron is better" and "It's not debatable who's better." I think LeBron is better as well, but it's definitely debatable. There are pleny of fans, players, coaches, etc who think Kobe is still better.
And you have to get real with yourself... Kobe Bryant isn't going to make every shot. MJ didn't either. STILL though... I wouldn't choose anybody else in the NBA over Kobe to take that last shot.
"I wouldn't choose anybody else in the NBA over Kobe to take that last shot"
That's where we agree