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LeBron & His Situation

Competitive Nature ? Give Me A Break Man . . Its All About Winning Rite ? LeBron Just Went To The Best Possible Situation . . & Please Say Jordan Wouldn't Have Done It . . Because Jordan Wasn't EVER In This Position . . The Only Difference Is That The Bulls & Phil Jackson Hap Pieces Put Around Jordan . . Dan Gilbert Can't Do That . . & Bosh & Wade Need LeBron As Much Or Maybe More Than LeBron Ever Needed Them . . .

Stop Comparing LeBron To This Person & That Person . . Lets Just Appreciate What He's Giving Us . . . No Matter If You Love Him Or Hate Him , You're Still Going To Be Watching Him . .


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but....

jordan wouldnt have done it. mike was determined to do it himself an dbe the best player in the game and the world. No way mike would have shared that spotlight with another duo of all stars and a guy who could potentially be called betterthan him

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That's What I'm Saying . . LeBron's Not Jordan . . & He's Not Too Much Worse Than Jordan . . Titles Are A Team Thing . . Individually LeBron Is The Sickest Ever . . He Can Do Anything Anybody Who Has Ever Played Can Do . Bt They Can't Do Wt He Can Do . . Just Appreciate Him Man . . He's Averaging Like 28-7-7 w/ 2 Steals & A Block Every Game Of His Career . . The Only Person Comparable To That Is Jordan . .

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"He Can Do Anything Anybody

"He Can Do Anything Anybody Who Has Ever Played Can Do ."

Except Win.....

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Micheal Jordan was in his

Micheal Jordan was in his position from 86-90. People forget NY tried to get Micheal Jordan in the 80's.

I think he made the best choice but Kobe nor Micheal would have never left there starting team without a NBA Title first. LeBron made the choice to be known as a robin. It's tough for me to say because I'm flippant on my words but:

LeBron could win 7 titles in a row and will never be known as the greatest player in NBA History. He did something a Alpha Dog wouldn't do, he doubted himself and decided to go to the frontrunning team.

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LeBron Made a Mistake

1. Even if he never won a championship with the Cleveland, the home town fans loved him. Now they hate him. People love loyalty and they hate traitors [perception is more important than reality].

2. Winning a championship in Miami will never be the same as winning in Cleveland.

3. You can only have one maestro in a Symphony Orchestra. For that and other reasons, I don't think Miami will win a championship any time soon. They will be good because of their talent level, but I don't think they have the right team chemistry to win it all.

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Nt Everyone Has Win . . &

Nt Everyone Has Win . . & Everyone That Has Won Has Had Another Great Playing With Him . .

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Nt Everyone Has Win . . &

Nt Everyone Has Win . . & Everyone That Has Won Has Had Another Great Playing With Him . .

Why do you put cap at every word? Also, Yes, that's true but most cases- The guy who wants to be the goat cannot go play on a team with 2 of the top players at that position. D-Wade was 2nd in points at the SG position. Bosh was 2nd in points at the PF position.

LeBron could win 7 titles and will be ranked behind Kobe and Jordan

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???

How'd He Doubt Himself ? He Made The Best Move For HIM . . Nt Me , You Or Anyone Else . . You Guys Were Saying That You Would Love It If He Jus Stopped Being So Nice & Gt Some Dog In Him . . Well Now He Has That Dog & You Don't Like It ?

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How'd He Doubt Himself ? He

How'd He Doubt Himself ?

He doubted himself by leaving. Name one superstar all time who LEFT a city without bring them a title to pursue a title somewhere else?

Jordan
Kobe
Kareem
Magic
Bird
Wilt
Russell

The Real Greats never done it.

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Real Greats . .

All Those "Real" Greats All Had Management Who Gave Them Great Players To Play Along Side

Jordan Gt Pippen

Kobe Gt Shaq Then Gt Pau & Artest & Odom

Kareem Gt Magic & Vice Versa

Bird Gt McHale , Parrish , Walton (Bad Health) , DJ

Wilt Gt West & Baylor

Russell Gt Cousy , Havlechik (Spell Check) . .

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I dont think Lebron doubts

I dont think Lebron doubts himself he probaly feels uncomfortable wearing another uniform considering he has worn a CAVS uniform his whole career... You CANT win a TITLE without playing on a STACKED team... Its funny people can Lebron a frontrunner cause he wants to win NOW.. No team is BEATING the Lakers this year except for the HEAT.. If the CAVS took care of business this wouldnt be happening... He is probaly sitting under a cabana sipping a Mai thai and laughing at all his haters who are stuck on legacy and alpha male &$#%#&@! when the whole point of playing is to win championships...

Jordan (well is the GOAT)
Kobe (played with SHAQ who won all the Finals MVPS and has played with some very solid players in their primes)
Kareem (played with multiple HOFERS)
Magic, Bird, Russell (see: Kareem)
Wilt (was the man and average video game stats and still could win until he went to a team with multiple HOFERS)

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Yes, true but most of those

Yes, true but most of those players were drafted into those roles.

Pippen ( Drafted)

Magic (Drafted)

McHale ( Drafted)

West, Baylor (Drafted)

Cousy, Havelchik (Drafted)

LeBron wanted some talent but didn't get help in the draft. I agree he made the right choice but he won 61 games last season and were a small piece away from winning it all last season. The Cavs could have added more talent but didn't. LeBron had all the players he wanted around him and went if failed.... Really bad on his part.

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Thank You , My Point Exactly

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You CANT win a TITLE without

You CANT win a TITLE without playing on a STACKED team

You serious?

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My Dude . . He Averaged 29-9-8 On 50% Shooting w/ Like 3.8 Turnovers Per Game . . Thats Not Choking

You Think He Choked Because He Couldn't Drag A Bunch Of Scrubs To A Title . .Everyone Choked For The Cavs Bt 23 . . Mike Brown Sucks ; Mo Williams Sucks ; Shaq's Old ; Jamison Couldn't Hit Any Jumpers . . . Get Real

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Serious... Who has won a

Serious... Who has won a TITLE without playing on a STACKED team..

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why are you guy saying lebron

why are you guy saying lebron a robin lebron is better than wade he can do everthing wade soes better other than clutchness he won't be robin and will be batman

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Thats Not Choking- I never

Thats Not Choking- I never said he choked. He Failed.

Depends on what you mean by Stacked. The Spurs never really had a stacked team. The Rockets of the 90's were never stacked. The Bulls never had a legit offensive post player.

I think when you say who had the better number one option? Yes. But Stacked? I dunno.

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The people who are saying MJ

The people who are saying MJ wouldn't have ever done this are right, he took a max contract every time his contract ran out so it was literally impossible because of his, dare i say it, greed.

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i Get Why You Guys Are Now Upset w/ LeBron . .

He Didn't Live Up To Your Expextations . . .

He Never Said He Was Jordan Or Kobe & In Fact He Said Multiple Times That They Were Both , Along w/ Magic , The Best Ever . .

Basically . . . He Had The Game Of THose Two . .. Naww , Forget That
He Had MORE Game Than Anyone Who Has Ever Laced It Up & Is Still Improving . . Bt He Didn't Have That Relative GOAT Mentality ; That Me Over Everything Mentality . .

Bt He Started To Enter That Territory , Bt It Wasn't His Goal . . He Was Just Playing The Game . . Every Interviewer That Has Ever Asked Him Wt He Wanted At The End Of His Career , He Said "He Wanted Respect On The COURT & Rings" . . He's Got Respect , So Now He's About To Go Get His Rings . . . & You Can Say What You Want . . Bt It Really Doesn't Matter . . He's Gonna Win The 2011 Title . . & After That He Doesn't Have To Win Anymore . .

Yes , He Said He Wouldn't Leave Until He Gave Cleveland A Title . Yes He Put It On Himself To Do That . . & Yes He Did Come Up Short . Bt The Cavs As A Team , A Unit , Front Office & Ownership Did Too . .

Say What You Want . . Bt DON'T Act Like He's Nt THe Best Passer . . The Most Potential . . .The Most Intimidating Player In The League [Dunks On Anyone , Rejects Anyone , Even Kobe (Look It Up On Youtube) ] . . . Triple Double Night Mare . . Most Athletic Ever . . . Strong As Dwight . . Fast As Wall . . Don't Say Anything About His Work Ethic . . True Kobe Might Be Shooting Jumpers Right Now . . Bt LeBron Has Spent 3 Years Pumping Iron To Get His Body Ready For The Constant Abuse He Takes (His First 4 Or 5 Years He Played Off Of Raw Power) . . He Knows The Game . . He Lives By Jordan Man . . . He Knows Everythings At Stake . . Bt Watch Him Succeed From It THough . . . . .

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He Never Said He Was

He Never Said He Was Jordan

When you come into the NBA with all that hype and decide to put on the "23" you better win a title. Simple as that.

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You are being ridiculous

Lebron hasn't won a Championship because the players around him have sucked. You say the spurs weren't stacked? Duncan, Ginobli, Tony Parker? Given just one of those players Lebron would have already one a championship. Are you honestly telling me that if Lebron had had Gasol for 2 years he wouldn't have a Championship? That if he'd played with Shaq he wouldn't have a Championship. Lebron has yet to play with one high quality All Star. I understand that people don't like him, I don't much care for him either, but he is an absolutely special player who has taken teams with mediocre talent very far.

Another thing, Lebron is NOT playing Robin to Wade's Batman. No way. Lebron has almost an identical skill set to wade except for that he is bigger, stronger, more athletic, a better passer, and is a better shooter. Lebron is too good to play second fiddle to anyone.

I know most of you probably won't agree with this, but I feel like many people are allowing their hatred of Lebron to blind them to just how good he is. If you are starting an NBA team and can choose one player, there is NO WAY that you take anyone but Lebron. Not, Durant, not Dwight Howard, not Dwayne Wade.

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STACKED = atleast 2-3 solid

STACKED = atleast 2-3 solid ROLE players in their prime, atleast 2 HOFER or all stars players in or close to their primes..

Duncan played w/ Robinson, Manu, Tony Parker, Stephen Jackson, Sean Elliot, Bruce Bowen, Robert Horry
The Dream played w/ Kenny Smith, Robert Horry, Sam Cassell, Clyde Drexler, Mario Ellie, Otis Thrope
Jordan played w/ Pippen, Toni Kukoc, Rodman, Cartwright, Ron Harper, Paxson

None of the players Lebron has played with could start on the BULLS, ROCKETS, or SPURS championship teams...

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STACKED = atleast 2-3 solid

STACKED = atleast 2-3 solid ROLE players in their prime, atleast 2 HOFER or all stars players in or close to their primes..

Duncan played w/ Robinson, Manu, Tony Parker, Stephen Jackson, Sean Elliot, Bruce Bowen, Robert Horry
The Dream played w/ Kenny Smith, Robert Horry, Sam Cassell, Clyde Drexler, Mario Ellie, Otis Thrope
Jordan played w/ Pippen, Toni Kukoc, Rodman, Cartwright, Ron Harper, Paxson

None of the players Lebron has played with could start on the BULLS, ROCKETS, or SPURS championship teams...

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I love the fact that everyone

I love the fact that everyone said the Cavs were the best in the NBA and for the past two seasons most people thought they'd win it all and now that Lebron has left you blame his cast for him losing. You cannot have a bad supporting cast and win two consecutive 60+win seasons, it doesn't work like that. He had a good enough supporting cast to win it all, he just didn't and he gave up and became so frustrated and looked at Miami as the easiest way to win, and win now. He could've done it himself in Cleveland but didn't wanna have challenges and hard obstacles to win so he left to team with two superstars, and that to me isn't a great player,and Jordan would never team up with his enemies, Jordan quit the game of basketball for a short time because their was no challenge for him, but he waited 7 seasons to get his championship if I remember correctly, he waited to win and would not stop until he won and that is what makes you an all time great, sure he had Pippen but everyone knows you need a legit 2nd option to win, Lebron paired with a number one option and a number two making him a coward and a guy who gives up to easily. Lebron gave up everyone, he made a promise, didn't fulfill that promise and is now running because he is doubting himself. I am not mad at Lebron for leaving but he just gave up on his teammates and himself which is not a great mentality to have.

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Whoa. Mo Williams and Antwan

Whoa. Mo Williams and Antwan Jamison aren't scrubs sir. Jamison could have started on either Spur or Rocket team. That's too easy.

I just disagree. I think LeBron had the players he needed around him. You don't just win 61 games without talent. Mo Williams and Antwan Jamison are solid players who did there own. SHAQ was a TERRIBLE addition and I said it from the start. The Cavs needed Amare Stoudemire and had they gave up J.J. Hickson they would have won a title.

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Yea , They Shoulda Gt Amare . . Another Error By Dan Gilbert

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I would have to disagree. A team will never be great with Mo Williams as their starting point guard. And It's not like Lebron had Jamison in his prime. But that's beside the point. No other player in the league could have made that team a contender. I can say that with absolute confidence. If Lebron had a quality number two opion(Mo Williams does not qualify) he would easily have a championship by now.

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. . .

There Is Only One Maestro . . .Patrick Riley

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My Point Exactly

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I thought I said that? I said

I thought I said that? I said Clevleand should have went to get Amare. They won 61 games with the best player in the NBA and 2 #3 options.

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Now they get to keep their

Now they get to keep their franchise player J.J Hickson because they were too stupid to trade him for Amare who would've defended KG way better then Jamison even though he isn't a great defender.

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NOW He's The Best Player In The League ?

Yea . . WOW

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Talent wise? Yes, he's the

Talent wise? Yes, he's the best.

But he's not the most clutch and WILL take a backseat behind Wade.

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I'm Not Even Entertaining This Anymore . . . . . . . . . . .

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Lebron

Simply will not take a backseat to Wade. I'm not buying it.

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Lebron carries Damon jones,

Lebron carries Damon jones, boobie, gooden, varejao and Z to the finals. Can you all honestly say that if you throw artest, odom, Gasol, and Bynum on that team lebron doesn't win??? Hell no. Lebron is gonna show the world what he can do with a supporting cast this year. Keep in mind MO WILLIAMS is the best player he has ever played with, who would be the 6th best player
MAYBE on the lakers.

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Lebron is a grown man and I

Lebron is a grown man and I think people mistake what maturity is. He made a decision and he seems man enough to face the consequences both good and bad. Also if he wins championships, the future will decide if he is better than so and so not the present that is wishy washy.

The media and fans say one thing about Kobe and then they change and the same will happen with Lebron. When it is all said and done his numbers will determine where he goes. Lebron could care less about what the media perceives.

If you are confident in who you are why should you worry about what another person thinks. That bs that fans pay Lebron so he should do what they say all the time is stupid because right now the Miami fans are supporting him and they have no issues with Lebron but the fans that are not paying him in Cleveland do. They had no problems paying him and supporting him when he played there so people need to realize this is business and everywhere that Lebron went he earned his keep.

He does not owe Cleveland anything and slandering a man because he does not do what you want is immature and weak.

Real world is people dont always get what they want.

Cleveland fans did not get Lebron to stay.

Move on.

I am a Saints fan and we were terrible for a long time and we finally won despite going through Katrina and now this oil thing.

You guys talk about hurt when you are just talking sports.

The people of New Orleans really suffered so I am sorry no sympathy for you.

Grown up and look at the big picture or go cry somewhere

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