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- Posted on: Thu, 06/05/2014 - 7:16pm #56110
valentineYes this does apply to the Sixers but don’t check out now. I have been discussing this topic for a few months now.
You have Stauskas, Harris, Lavine, and James Young.
Here are my thoughts and comparisons.
Harris to me will be just a body in the NBA.
Harris – average defense, average shooting, limited size. Whats there to like? He’s just an average player. No real explosiveness. And he’s short.
Lavine – Explosive. Grew 6 inches, used to play PG, so will be a tremendous off guard. Has great size and length, and his shot is beautiful.
Stauskas – incredible shooter. Great length. Needs help on defense but certainly isn’t a liability. A little too slow for my liking. I don’t think he has the footwork of a Gordon Heyward but I think he is a better shooter. I don’t see him being a starter on a championship team, but a great guy off the bench. A very good sixth man. He’s not Ginobli, he’s not athletic enoguh to be Ginobli. But simply for his shooting, if we draft Wiggins at 3, I would be very happy with him as my SG.
James Young – great size and length. Has a very good shot it just dind’t always fall. According to Charles Barkley, he was the best player on the court in the NCAA Finals. I always thought that myself watching Kentucky play. He has an NBA body. I don’t get the Nick Young comparisons AT ALL. Nick Young does not have the body James Young has. No way Nick Young would ever play the 3 for Kentucky as a freshman. Nick Young is an incredible scorer when he’s hot but has NO BBall IQ or conscience. He just shoots the rock, and doesn’t make anyone around him better. I think James Young will be very good.
I’m taking Lavine > James Young > Stauskas > Harris.
Let’s see how it plays out draft day.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/05/2014 - 7:41pm #914739
kngojcParticipantI like Stauskas a lot more than the 4th out of those 5. You’re giving too much credit to Lavine for his upside. I thought Tyrus Thomas was going to be good when he came out, look where he is compared to Aldridge. I’m getting pretty sick of these comparisons between white guy to white guy like they’re all the same though. I see more Austin Rivers in Stauskas than I see Hayward.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/05/2014 - 7:41pm #914607
kngojcParticipantI like Stauskas a lot more than the 4th out of those 5. You’re giving too much credit to Lavine for his upside. I thought Tyrus Thomas was going to be good when he came out, look where he is compared to Aldridge. I’m getting pretty sick of these comparisons between white guy to white guy like they’re all the same though. I see more Austin Rivers in Stauskas than I see Hayward.
0- Posted on: Thu, 06/05/2014 - 8:07pm #914745
ConezdParticipantAustin Rivers is a white guy. And no Stauskus is not similar to him regardless of skin color. Way, way, way better shooter than Rivers. Less athletic, though, not as much as it may seem. Not gonna be playing much time at PG.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/05/2014 - 8:07pm #914613
ConezdParticipantAustin Rivers is a white guy. And no Stauskus is not similar to him regardless of skin color. Way, way, way better shooter than Rivers. Less athletic, though, not as much as it may seem. Not gonna be playing much time at PG.
0- Posted on: Thu, 06/05/2014 - 10:13pm #914769
OhCanada-ParticipantHow could you possibly come to the assumption that the son of a black man Doc Rivers is white.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/05/2014 - 10:13pm #914637
OhCanada-ParticipantHow could you possibly come to the assumption that the son of a black man Doc Rivers is white.
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- Posted on: Thu, 06/05/2014 - 8:22pm #914749
he_gets_bucketsParticipantYou are really underrating Gary Harris. He is an above average defender at least, and his jump shoot is extremely solid mechanically and not being an offensive focal point will make his % soar as he will just have to hit open shots in the league not take the hard contested shots as the shot clock is winding down like he had to at Michigan State. Yes he is only average size, but he is not limited athletically, he is a sneaky good athlete. I think he will thrive in a sixth man role/fringe starter for many years in the league as a Courtney Lee type of aggresive defender and knock down shooter, a 3 and D guy at the 2 spot.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/05/2014 - 8:22pm #914617
he_gets_bucketsParticipantYou are really underrating Gary Harris. He is an above average defender at least, and his jump shoot is extremely solid mechanically and not being an offensive focal point will make his % soar as he will just have to hit open shots in the league not take the hard contested shots as the shot clock is winding down like he had to at Michigan State. Yes he is only average size, but he is not limited athletically, he is a sneaky good athlete. I think he will thrive in a sixth man role/fringe starter for many years in the league as a Courtney Lee type of aggresive defender and knock down shooter, a 3 and D guy at the 2 spot.
0- Posted on: Thu, 06/05/2014 - 9:41pm #914767
PhillytheKiddefender: i’ll give you he’s above average and he’s somewhat athletic. But I don’t think he’s guarding Kobe or another dynamic 6’6” SG or even a quick new age PG.
extremely solid J mechanically: I dont’ get it. I think its average. its not on the level potentially of Lavine, or close to Stauskas. Its just an average J. The best mechanical J doesn’t always translate to the NBA, because you have to be athletic enough to get open. Maybe a spot up 3 shooter like you said. But I don’t want Thabo Sefolosha. I want James Harden.
He was not a focal point at Michigan State. He was a role player on that team. He did not stand out in any way whatsoever on that team. I never saw him being "the guy".
I don’t want Courtney Lee wtih my 10th Pick if I’m the Sixers. I want at least Jamal Crawford in Lavine (he’ll be a lot better than that total-game-wise), or a ridiculous shooter like Stauskas.
I am trying to build a team I see playing in the finals. I dont see Garry Harris guarding D Wade.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/05/2014 - 9:41pm #914635
PhillytheKiddefender: i’ll give you he’s above average and he’s somewhat athletic. But I don’t think he’s guarding Kobe or another dynamic 6’6” SG or even a quick new age PG.
extremely solid J mechanically: I dont’ get it. I think its average. its not on the level potentially of Lavine, or close to Stauskas. Its just an average J. The best mechanical J doesn’t always translate to the NBA, because you have to be athletic enough to get open. Maybe a spot up 3 shooter like you said. But I don’t want Thabo Sefolosha. I want James Harden.
He was not a focal point at Michigan State. He was a role player on that team. He did not stand out in any way whatsoever on that team. I never saw him being "the guy".
I don’t want Courtney Lee wtih my 10th Pick if I’m the Sixers. I want at least Jamal Crawford in Lavine (he’ll be a lot better than that total-game-wise), or a ridiculous shooter like Stauskas.
I am trying to build a team I see playing in the finals. I dont see Garry Harris guarding D Wade.
0- Posted on: Fri, 06/06/2014 - 7:38am #914796
King CaluchaParticipantOK… so you want James Harden, who plays no D, but you complain that Harris is a below average defender…. smh
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/06/2014 - 7:38am #914927
King CaluchaParticipantOK… so you want James Harden, who plays no D, but you complain that Harris is a below average defender…. smh
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- Posted on: Fri, 06/06/2014 - 1:10am #914780
vulture711ParticipantI like his game but at 6-2.5 in socks he’s lucky to hit 6-4 which is fine for a point but not a 2. Unless he miracuosly develps into a point guard he’s the second coming of Jodi Meeks (or Willie Green). Not that there is anything wrong with that – they’ve carved out nice careers – they just aren’t really starters
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/06/2014 - 1:10am #914649
vulture711ParticipantI like his game but at 6-2.5 in socks he’s lucky to hit 6-4 which is fine for a point but not a 2. Unless he miracuosly develps into a point guard he’s the second coming of Jodi Meeks (or Willie Green). Not that there is anything wrong with that – they’ve carved out nice careers – they just aren’t really starters
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- Posted on: Thu, 06/05/2014 - 9:02pm #914757
trelos6ParticipantCurrently, they line up
Stauskas > Harris > Young > LaVine.
But if each player hits their potential
LaVine > Young > Harris >Stauskas
Realistically (what I predict will happen)
Stauskas > LaVine > Young > Harris
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/05/2014 - 9:02pm #914625
trelos6ParticipantCurrently, they line up
Stauskas > Harris > Young > LaVine.
But if each player hits their potential
LaVine > Young > Harris >Stauskas
Realistically (what I predict will happen)
Stauskas > LaVine > Young > Harris
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/05/2014 - 9:35pm #914765
morestealsthanscoresParticipantI think the original poster does a good job assessing the upside, and late lottery, maybe that’s a good thing- especially the teams that aren’t in ‘win now’ mode like Philly and Orlando.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/05/2014 - 9:35pm #914633
morestealsthanscoresParticipantI think the original poster does a good job assessing the upside, and late lottery, maybe that’s a good thing- especially the teams that aren’t in ‘win now’ mode like Philly and Orlando.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/06/2014 - 2:42am #914807
barbabodomParticipantI have a feeling that LaVine will go to Boston…there´s too much upside in him and Avery Bradley is not a starter material.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/06/2014 - 2:42am #914675
barbabodomParticipantI have a feeling that LaVine will go to Boston…there´s too much upside in him and Avery Bradley is not a starter material.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/06/2014 - 2:52am #914814
The Scare Crow RisesParticipantIMO the 10th pick should not be used exclusively on a SG unless he’s the BPA
The 76ers cannot afford to waste a pick on a player simply because they fill an immediate role like SG, That’s how we passed on Favors/Cousins/Monroe for Evan Turner
Lets wait until the draft unfolds to see who rises and falls, maybe the 76ers absolutely hate Staukas and love Jordan Adams or Pj Hairston, what if the have other players higher than Harris, Young and Lavine on their Big Board?
Lets just wait and see what the 76ers do in 20 days…Enjoy the finals man…
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/06/2014 - 2:52am #914684
The Scare Crow RisesParticipantIMO the 10th pick should not be used exclusively on a SG unless he’s the BPA
The 76ers cannot afford to waste a pick on a player simply because they fill an immediate role like SG, That’s how we passed on Favors/Cousins/Monroe for Evan Turner
Lets wait until the draft unfolds to see who rises and falls, maybe the 76ers absolutely hate Staukas and love Jordan Adams or Pj Hairston, what if the have other players higher than Harris, Young and Lavine on their Big Board?
Lets just wait and see what the 76ers do in 20 days…Enjoy the finals man…
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/06/2014 - 3:23am #914694
SpartanGloryParticipantPhillythekid, before you post this stuff, you should preface it with "I do not watch college basketball and know nothing about these prospects except what their profile says on nbadraft.net and my imagination".
1. Harris – best two way player, will make best imediate impact. Izzo called him one of the most talented players he’s ever coached. Great feel for the game, doesn’t need the ball to contribute, and has the best mid range game out of all sg’s.
2. Stauskus- best 3pt shooter but is weak and has an overrated handle. Going to need to spend time in the gym and get stronger with the ball.
3. Lavine- purely off potential and amazing athletisizm. Will he reach it? Who knows, but if he does he could be the steal of this draft.
4. Young- good shooter, good athlete, but what else does he bring? Needs to show more game than what he did at Kentucky.
Swriously if you just watch these guys play, it’s fairly obvious that Harris is the most ready, plus he’s really young for a sophomore. Some of the rankings in this post are laughable though.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/06/2014 - 3:23am #914824
SpartanGloryParticipantPhillythekid, before you post this stuff, you should preface it with "I do not watch college basketball and know nothing about these prospects except what their profile says on nbadraft.net and my imagination".
1. Harris – best two way player, will make best imediate impact. Izzo called him one of the most talented players he’s ever coached. Great feel for the game, doesn’t need the ball to contribute, and has the best mid range game out of all sg’s.
2. Stauskus- best 3pt shooter but is weak and has an overrated handle. Going to need to spend time in the gym and get stronger with the ball.
3. Lavine- purely off potential and amazing athletisizm. Will he reach it? Who knows, but if he does he could be the steal of this draft.
4. Young- good shooter, good athlete, but what else does he bring? Needs to show more game than what he did at Kentucky.
Swriously if you just watch these guys play, it’s fairly obvious that Harris is the most ready, plus he’s really young for a sophomore. Some of the rankings in this post are laughable though.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/06/2014 - 3:38am #914698
BallinAIstyleParticipantI’d rank them Lavine, Young, Stauskas and then Harris
I agree with you on Harris…didn’t have the year we all thought and then to make it worse his measurables didn’t stand out to the point in which they needed too. He could be a solid player don’t get me wrong but just haven’t been overly impressed.
Stauskas I think is going to be a solid pro..just doesn’t have the upside Lavine and Young have so I have him slotted here. I’m not quite sure he is a starter in the league on a championship team but I get a big Wally Szcerb vibe for him and think he can be big time contributor as 6-7th man on a really good team.
Lavine and Young to me just depend on personal preference. Young contributed nicely down the stretch to UKs championship run and then fact that Lavine only scored 11 points in his last 5 games vs tournament competition really erks me but…reality to me is either or..I have Lavine before Young mainly because lavine is obviously better all around athlete..better defensively in my opinion..and even shot better than Young this past year averaging about 10 points only on 7 shots a game..Young as much as you want to ride him..his defense is awful and only shot 34% from 3 which for him needs to come way up..also Youngs vertical i think was 35-36..Lavine has 10 inches on that!
Imagine the fast break with MCW, Lavine, and Wiggins, and Noel for PHILLY!
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/06/2014 - 3:38am #914828
BallinAIstyleParticipantI’d rank them Lavine, Young, Stauskas and then Harris
I agree with you on Harris…didn’t have the year we all thought and then to make it worse his measurables didn’t stand out to the point in which they needed too. He could be a solid player don’t get me wrong but just haven’t been overly impressed.
Stauskas I think is going to be a solid pro..just doesn’t have the upside Lavine and Young have so I have him slotted here. I’m not quite sure he is a starter in the league on a championship team but I get a big Wally Szcerb vibe for him and think he can be big time contributor as 6-7th man on a really good team.
Lavine and Young to me just depend on personal preference. Young contributed nicely down the stretch to UKs championship run and then fact that Lavine only scored 11 points in his last 5 games vs tournament competition really erks me but…reality to me is either or..I have Lavine before Young mainly because lavine is obviously better all around athlete..better defensively in my opinion..and even shot better than Young this past year averaging about 10 points only on 7 shots a game..Young as much as you want to ride him..his defense is awful and only shot 34% from 3 which for him needs to come way up..also Youngs vertical i think was 35-36..Lavine has 10 inches on that!
Imagine the fast break with MCW, Lavine, and Wiggins, and Noel for PHILLY!
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/06/2014 - 4:26am #914710
JoeWolf1Gary Harris is one of the best defensive guards in this draft. He plays in the same conference as Staus, and averaged 21 ppg and 3.3 steals per game against Michigan in 3 matchups. He hung 20 on Kentucky, the most NBA sized team in the NCAA this year.
Yeah, he’s not very big. That is a concern, but in a big backcourt he could guard NBA point guards better than every prospect in this draft not named Marcus Smart or Elfrid Payton. I think he makes a lot of sense at 10, where he could play next to a big point in MCW. I don’t think he gets past Atlanta at 15.
He’s not explosive? Gary is quick, strong and can get up a lot better than Staus or Young can. Again, his lack of height is a concern, but while Staus and Young are both excellent size for NBA SG’s, Harris is the 2nd most explosive out of this bunch behind LaVine.
That’s fine if you think he’s 4th out of the bunch, I disagree, but I feel you’re analysis of him is vague and off base.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/06/2014 - 4:26am #914840
JoeWolf1Gary Harris is one of the best defensive guards in this draft. He plays in the same conference as Staus, and averaged 21 ppg and 3.3 steals per game against Michigan in 3 matchups. He hung 20 on Kentucky, the most NBA sized team in the NCAA this year.
Yeah, he’s not very big. That is a concern, but in a big backcourt he could guard NBA point guards better than every prospect in this draft not named Marcus Smart or Elfrid Payton. I think he makes a lot of sense at 10, where he could play next to a big point in MCW. I don’t think he gets past Atlanta at 15.
He’s not explosive? Gary is quick, strong and can get up a lot better than Staus or Young can. Again, his lack of height is a concern, but while Staus and Young are both excellent size for NBA SG’s, Harris is the 2nd most explosive out of this bunch behind LaVine.
That’s fine if you think he’s 4th out of the bunch, I disagree, but I feel you’re analysis of him is vague and off base.
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