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Lakers Vs. Mav's

Ask me yesterday, and I'd tell you that a thread isn't needed for this game. But if there was ever testament to how important gelling is, this game is clear evidence. And can someone explain what princeton offense is. I mean...this is terrible.


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they seem to be

scrapping the princeton offense for this quarter or atleast playing it more loosley as in not sticking to it.....they need a more uptempo offense if you ask me even with their age.......kobe and nash should be running up and down the court throwing lobs to howard and when the game slows down they should throw it in to pau and he can make a play to howard or score

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Mike Brown is offensively

Mike Brown is offensively challenged, we all know this, but this has gotten pathetic...how can you not score every possession? you have SO many weapons

also Dwight's free-throw shooting is horrendous

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I know what you're saying

The only problem with doing things like running the floor constantly at their age, if they do that they're expending a lot of energy. And when you do that it becomes hard to play on both sides on the court. It would be different if they had some kind of bench, but the Lakers don't have one. And I think thats whats happening this game. Miami was different, they had garbage bench but they are also slightly younger all around. So they could afford to play all those minutes. Lakers just can't...

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Don't forget Miami struggled

Don't forget Miami struggled their first season too. I think everybody needs to relax a bit. It's way way early in the season. Lakers will be fine.

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wow

wow

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quite honestly

the princeton offense is a BAD IDEA....it plays to nash and gasols strengths BUT at the same time neutralizes the need of a steve nash it turns everyone into the pg really instead of just relying on the great one that you have. It makes kobe a passer instead of utilizing his 1 on 1 talents and post game whichare the strongest parts of his game. The idea in mind was probably to get easy buckets for howard using this but in my mind the bad outweighs the good of using it. It takes a long time to get into and promotes low scoring, this should be a high scoring well oiled offense run and gun MACHINE.

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the lakers need a little

the lakers need a little time. dwight howard even said they're going to be playing "ugly-ball" at first

keep in mind the heat have a VERY hand-picked bench. players are not extremely talented but every player has an assigned role and they ALL fit our system perfectly.

kinda ridiculous how the heat have, to me, one of the most finest/ advanced gameplan yet i don't think spo deserves any COY honors whatsoever.

its all pat riley's plan. every player that plays* is hand picked to fit the system. i think the heat have a solid bench

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their AGE

is the only problem....that what's holding back a run and gun offense.....they need to atleast run SOME of the time....

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damn

howard just fouled out.....okay &$#%#&@! it, everyone get out the way time for Kobe hero ball

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my apologies

the infamous double post.....sorry

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The game got real boring by

The game got real boring by the second quarter, and I just completely stopped watching.

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you kinda get spoiled after

you kinda get spoiled after watching heat vs boston

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well i hope they just need

well i hope they just need some time to adjust.

fact is they shot 12-31 ft's. They shoot 67% from the line, and they score an extra 9 and win. It was disheartening watching all the misses and it wasnt just dwight as hill and pau and pretty much everyone else missed as well. It really sucked the life out of them as a lot of those misses came when they were down 5-10 points and were trying to get back in it.

Dwight couldnt finish consistently around the post missing the entire rim on some shots and really didnt have the defenisve impact he should have either at the other end.

Nash has trouble getting seperation from guys. I noticed that in the preseason. Thats not really something that can change over the course of 82 games, but hopefully he plays a little better. and gets some help with screens and high post play to throw the relief pass to get some of the pressure off him.

Bench is not good, but actually played fine today. They had a better +/- ratio then the starters, shot over 50% from the field and had a lower turnover per minute ratio then the starters. Im not saying they played great or anything, but this loss is clearly on the starters.

Kobe looked like he was going thorugh the motions tonight. Im not sure how much of that had to do with the ankle injury or him just trying to allow the other guys their chance to do their thing. But at no point did he go black mamba mode. He was 11-14 shooting and his misses were by inches, He was just letting it come to him though and hopefully he shows a little more aggression going forward.

the energy was all on dallas's side toinght. They were the much more animated and aggressive team.

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@llperez: Just on your

@llperez: Just on your comments with Kobe, isn't he doing what he should? 11-14 is extremely efficient by his standards and even if he was "going through the motions" everyone knows he's come to a point in his career where he can't bail them out of every game. It's the first game of the regular season, I think letting the game come to him is what we've been waiting for from him for years, with Dwight, Nash and Pau on board he needs to keep back for now and let them find a rhythm if they are going to be successful later on in the season.

My point is, be careful what you wish for, would you rather he go on a 40ppg spurt mid-season or have the whole team feeling confident and engaged come playoffs.

I'm a Celtics fan, I know it sucks to lose games like this, but we need to accept that we have a lot of new pieces and it's going to take some time before we look like we used to.

I will say that I don't like Mike Brown being the head coach with Eddie Jordan practically running the show. If you've got a defensive specialist and an offensive specialist, I feel like you're better off with the offensive guy running the show and managing substitutions, because outside of training camp and practice the offense needs more direction in-game and Jordan would have more clout if he was the head coach.

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How about brandon wright..

How about brandon wright.. Guy looked really good on the boards and finishing in traffic. Also real mobil.. came away very impressed by wright and collison tonight. Vince looked a little more animated than he has the past few years as well, but its doubtful that will remain constant throughout 82 games.

As for the lakers, give them some time. Obviously they looked out of sorts tonight but remember that kobe didn't play in the last two preseason games, howard only played in two total and the rest of the guys havn't played much with each other. Give the offense a decent sample size before we call it a complete bust. Although, I must admit, that did look pretty ugly. I think nash needs the ball in his hands a lot more.

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fgrrghg

that last line of your post is biggest reason i think they should scrap it. The pg responsibilities are SHARED with the princeton.

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i thought the offense looked

i thought the offense looked a lot better in the first half when they actually ran the princeton vs the second half where they ran a lot mroe jsut straigh tpost ups for dwight and pau withouth getting the high screen and back cuts. You cant give up on the offense after one game either way. If they make ft's at an even average rate, we arent talking about the offense anyways tonight. You cant blame 12-31 on mike brown.

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EWING THEORY!!!

EWING THEORY!!!

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nash

Nash is only affective in a run and gun offense. He was off the ball most of the game. Nash has no room to create in a pick and roll because the opposite big man was on the other elbow constantly due to the f'n PRINCETON OFFENSE! They need to let Nash probe with the ball and just have pick n rolls with howard while gasol is in the short corner while the rest of the team is spotted up ready to shoot or ready to penetrate again. Also you could just have howard and Gasol sub for each while they run the pick n roll. If they don't want to do that then they need to get rid of nash and just go back to the triangle. If their not going to run up in down then why did they get nash?

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if nash cant adjust to

if nash cant adjust to playing a pcik and role offense and he needs the whole thing catered to him it doesnt say much about him as a basketball player does it? Fact is he is better then we saw tonight and he needs to prove it. I dont expect him to put up huge numbers, but he had trouble initiating the offense and was poor on d. The lakers are not a slashing spot up shooting team. They are big man post up oriented team. This is not phoenix run and gun. This is a halfcourt inside out offense.

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It was the first game guys...

It was the first game guys... smh.

The things that are being said about Mike Brown now were being said about Erik Spoelstra 2 years ago.

The things that are being said about the Lakers now were being said about the Heat 2 years ago.

Look at the Heat now, NBA champions.

Give it some time, they'll gel eventually.

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It doesn't matter if its one

It doesn't matter if its one game, the Lakers got their ass kicked by a team missing their 2 best players. The Lakers have a 2 year window to win, which is why mike Brown is under a ton of pressure

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Defense

The offense is something that needs time to be ironed outt before its going smoothly. The problem tonight was the effort on defense. Kobe played none, Nash played none, Metta just watched, Pau was involved but got dominated. A lot od the time on defense, it seem like Dwight would rotate and contest a shot but no one would drop backside. THERE WAS NO ROTATION AT ALL.

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I did not see the game but

I did not see the game but the Lakers after a poor pre-season getting beaten by an understrength Dallas team does seem a bit worrying. I'm not going to start making rash judgements and will give this team 15 to 20 games to see where they are results and performance wise.

The idea to run the Princetown Offence is a strange one as it is not Nash's prefered style and we all know that Kobe excelled under the triangle offence. I would not look to set the team up around Nash but if a system worked well woth Kobe, MWP, Gasol and Bynum before then why change it as D12 effectively plays an enhanced Bynum role.

The thing that does concern me is if you have Eddie Jordan running offence along with Coach Brown plus two proven offensive leaders in Kobe and Nash then will things come to a head if results don't go the teams way. Kobe certainly has the power to make an issue about this and if results did not go their way then the Mike D'Antoni as an offence co-ordinator or even a Phil Jackson return will start doing the rounds.

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I don't know too much about

I don't know too much about the Princeton offense, but why not just run the triangle? They both seem somewhat similar plus and minus a couple of things... At least Kobe, Gasol, Artest, etc would be used to running that.

I also think the Lakers should run more, at least when there's the opportunity. This offense doesn't seem to play to Nash's strengths.

Game 1/82 though. I actually expect the Lakers to start out slow this season while Dwight gets healthy and they get used to the offense. Dwight is still regaining his explosiveness and ability to cover ground on defense. He's one or two steps slow.

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Lakers are just not that good.

You can't put big names on a roster and expect to win championships all the time. Reminds me when they got Karl Malone and Gary Payton and everyone was swinging off the Lakers nuts.

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