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Kyrie Irving

In case any of you care, Duke beat Princeton 97-60 and Kyrie looked pretty good tonight,

26 min, 17 points, 4 rebounds, 9 assists, 2 steals, 6-6 from the line, 4-10 from the field and 3-6 on three-pointers.

He missed some easy shots early, but ran the team well and played pretty good pressure defense.


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Oh and he had a block too.

Oh and he had a block too.

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I saw the second half

I saw the second half He,Singler, and Smith played pretty good.

Curry showed a good stroke

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He reminds me alot of CP3 ..

He reminds me alot of CP3 ..

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Yeah he looks ALOT like Chris

Yeah he looks ALOT like Chris Paul did as a Fr. I've always liked that comparison. He's going to be a good one for Duke this year, he's ahead of the curve as a PG, especially with the spread system runs. The spacing Duke plays with is very similar to that of an uptempo NBA team like the Knicks or the Suns.

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I think Irving is gonna be a

I think Irving is gonna be a stud. He should be highly considered for the #1 pick. I didn't get to see the game but I heard he ran the team VERY well and even Coach K was impressed.

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Ahhh

I'm going to get some negatives for this, but he reminds me of Mike Conley Jr.

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How does he remind you of

How does he remind you of Conley?

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Nomoney, Irving is much more

Nomoney, Irving is much more talented than Conley Jr., and I'm not just saying because I'm a Duke fan.

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Kid does remind me of PC3...

Kid does remind me of PC3...

Duke got a deep as team, I forgot they got Thortan to another top 100 player as a back up PG.

Curry's Jay is wet.

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Mike Conley Jr doesn't play

Mike Conley Jr doesn't play as aggressive as Irving does. Irving isn't as afraid to make mistakes. Irving also has a size advantage over Conley Jr.

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cp3

He does remind me of cp3 a lot..kids a flat out stud

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So is Kyrie Irving the best

So is Kyrie Irving the best PG prospect in the last 5-10 years? Because thats the way everyone is making it out to be, Mike Conley was a 4-5 star high school recruit and had a great freshman season at Ohio St, hes no slouch as far as a prospect. Is Kyrie Irving in Derrrick Rose's class as far as a PG prospect? I dont think so. Irving is receiving too much hype right now.

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I don't think he's the best

I don't think he's the best prospect in the past 5 years, but I do think he's better than Conley. Conley was a borderline 5 star and Irving was ranked anywhere from 2-4 in his class. It's also clear from watching him play that he's better than Conley.

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Mike Conley did not have a

Mike Conley did not have a great Freshman season at OSU, he had a good Tourney

He wasn't even a lotto pick till the Florida title game.

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His PPG wont idicate that he had a great freshman year because hes not a scoring PG, you really have to have seen the whole season to appriciate how he ran that team as a true freshman. I believe he was in the top 5 in APG in the nation and had a A/T ratio of 2.75, which is good considering hes a true freshman, plus he was one of the best defensive PG in the nation his 1st year. But im not here to defend Conley and how great/good he is, someone here made the comparison of Irving to Conley, and I think its the comparison is not that far off.

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I seen his freshman season

I seen his freshman season and remember, he wasn't even considered a first round pick by many draft people. His numbers were alright but I remember many people considering it a weak draft class for point guards and he rose up.

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Hmmm

Does he really have a size advantage? I thought both were around 6'1", similar build.

OK, Irving is listed by Yahoo as 6'2".

Anyway, they do have similar physical characteristics. Similar athleticism, quickness. Both good playmakers, solid defenders, excellent at playing passing lanes. Iggy, you're probably right about his timidness, but there is no perfect comparison.

I watched the game, and was very impressed by Irving. I didn't see Isiah Thomas or Chris Paul though, I saw Mike Conley Jr.

I am fully aware that this is only the first game of the season. We'll see where he goes from here. He's still my favorite to challenge Barnes for the first overall pick.

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Irving is about 190 lbs.

Irving is about 190 lbs. Conley is 175-180. Irving also has the frame to get bigger, much like Conley has. Irving is bigger than Conley was at the same stage.

"Anyway, they do have similar physical characteristics. Similar athleticism, quickness. Both good playmakers, solid defenders, excellent at playing passing lanes. Iggy, you're probably right about his timidness, but there is no perfect comparison."

There definitely is no perfect comparison. You won't get an argument there. But when you talk about the mental aspect of the game, the difference between agressiveness and timid play is the difference between a star and a guy who is serviceable or worse in the NBA.

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Conley was very good. And he

Conley was very good. And he was considered a first round pick ( by scouts not these websites who base it off of there opinion). People tend to get confused and forget these Mick drafts aren't done by NBA GMs and scouts.  Some get some info from NBA teams but 9 times out of 10 it's incorrect because the teams don't want people knowing who they are gonna pick.  I remember seeing conley and thinking this kid has the most undercontrol handles I have seen in a long time. He played like a vet and could pass his azz off. He also had a lil flare when needed. And he was a very good defender. Not the scorer kyrie is but I can understand the comparisions. Alot of NBA scouts thought mike would have the season he's having Now in his rookie year. Teams were very high on him which is why he went so high and teams wanted to trade up to get him 

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Conley was very good. And he

Conley was very good. And he was considered a first round pick ( by scouts not these websites who base it off of there opinion). People tend to get confused and forget these Mick drafts aren't done by NBA GMs and scouts. Some get some info from NBA teams but 9 times out of 10 it's incorrect because the teams don't want people knowing who they are gonna pick. I remember seeing conley and thinking this kid has the most undercontrol handles I have seen in a long time. He played like a vet and could pass his azz off. He also had a lil flare when needed. And he was a very good defender. Not the scorer kyrie is but I can understand the comparisions. Alot of NBA scouts thought mike would have the season he's having Now in his rookie year. Teams were very high on him which is why he went so high and teams wanted to trade up to get him

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Well, some sites ( like this one) gets plenty of info from scouts. I looked at this site's mocks in that time frame in 2007, he didn't get on the mock's 1st round until like Feburary.

Also, the PG class was WEAK back then. D.J. Augustine was considered one of the top guys with Ronald Steele and Acie Law plus Gabe Pruitt. Also, Listen to ESPN's NBA Today podcast where they even discussed Conley's 45 million dollar contract and them going back saying he wasn't considered a 1st rounder by ESPN until the the tourney.

So, I remember he wasn't a 1st rounder, Aran didn't have him as a 1st rounder and ESPN didn't have him as a first rounder until the tourney in which he lead OSU to a title appearance while Acie Law flammed out, Pruitt didn't make it ( I believe) and Augustine lost in round 2.

He wasn't that good and he got drafted high because the weak class.

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Doesn't matter what sites had

Doesn't matter what sites had him as because NBA teams had him in the first round. Teams had him as a first rounder. Sites talk to scouts. But scouts don't draft players teams do and teams are rarely honest about who they like till after the draft that way they get the player they want. If they were honest then a team picking ahead of them could draft the guy they want then trade the player to that team while getting extra players 

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That's fair about the sites

That's fair about the sites to the scouts part but you cannot argue, that was a very weak PG class and he got the bump in putting himself as the De Facto PG of that class.

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 Weak class? Carl

 Weak class?

Carl landry
Durant
Jeff green
Al hortford
Jokim Noah
Rodney stucky
Oden

Aron Brooks
Big baby
Rudy fernandez
Marc gasol
Aron affalo
Nick young
Thadeuss young
Al thortan

Yea that's a pretty weak draft. And was drafted high just because he was a point guard  he went high because he was thought (by NBA teams not Internet scouts) to be a very good future NBA player. If NBA teams told sites who they were gonna pick the sites would get just about every pick right.  If you noticed alot of sites get the same amount of picks right that the average fan on here gets

And it's not outragious to think he wouldn't have went in the lotto in last years draft by the way he played before curry,Jennings,Ty Lawson.  In hind site of course gs wouldn't now but at the time he had a great freshman year and help lead his team to the NCAA title game. Take into account he was a freshman so teams were looking at what he could possible do later in his career.  People also forger he's still young and is getting better so he's not a finished product

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God, please let the Raptors

God, please let the Raptors draft this guy...

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I said a weak PG class 3

I said a weak PG class 3 times . Please read before critizing me. Thank you.

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Conley during his Freshman year has always been considered a mid-early 1st round prospect, and its not because of the "weak" PG class. Conley displayed elite PG "intangibles", ideal speed and quickness at the PG spot, he displayed great court vision (idicated by his high APG), a polished defensive PG and the fact that he declared as a freshman made his ceiling high because he was still getting better as a player. He had everything you want in a good PG except elite height and a working progress jumpshot. Now obviously he hasnt lived up to his selection, but back when he was a prospect, HE WAS worth a lottery selection and it had nothing to do with the weak PG class that he was in.

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 I saw what you wrote and I

 I saw what you wrote and I answered. I said he was drafted high because he was good. Teams don't draft a point guard just because the rest of the point guards are good. That makes no sense. How many teams passed on other point guards after John wall was picked up? It had nothing to do with how weak a point guard class it was. So if there's only one center and he's not that good he's gonna go lotto because it's a weak class for centers??  Mmmmm no

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Conley displayed elite PG

Conley displayed elite PG "intangibles", ideal speed and quickness at the PG spot, and the fact that he declared as a freshman made his ceiling high because he was still getting better as a player. Now obviously he hasnt lived up to his selection, but back when he was a prospect, HE WAS worth a lottery selection and it had nothing to do with the weak PG class that he was in.

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No he wasn't. He was not a better prospect then most of the players selected before him. He was considered the best PG in that class and a level better then Acie Law. He had a good tourney. Before the tourney? He was a mid 1st round guy at best. Before Oden got back? He wasn't a 1st round pick. We can argue this until tomorrow but he wasn't a better prospect then Joakim Noah, Thad Young or you can make the arguement for even Aaron Brooks. The fact his team got to the title game PLUS he had a excellent tourney pushed him into a top 10 pick status. He was NOT worth a lotto pick at the time.

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Memphis drafted Conley because it was A NEED, Im not going to argue if he is or not a better prospect than Joakim Noah, Thad Young, etc. or why he was drafted ahead of those guys, because Memphis needed a PG that year thats why he was drafted where he is. Regardless, he was still a mid-1st round prospect, and if Memphis would have passed up on him, he would not go lower than 20th pick. If you just watched him play at Ohio St instead of looking at draft websites, you can see he was a legit 1st round prospect based on his court vision, poise, leadership, defense.

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Come on now, now I didn't see

Come on now, now I didn't see him play? That's weak.

Yea, I saw him play. Looked pretty good next to Cook and Oden. I disagree Conley was a need because they had Juan Carlos Narravo and Kyle Lowry. They could have went with Noah and play him at C next to Pau Gasol. What lineup looks better (even at that time)

Lowry-Miller-Gay-Gasol-Noah

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Conley-Miller-Gay-Warrick-Gasol

Come on, he wasn't a need either.

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So tell me, why do you think Conley was not a legit 1st round prospect? You haven't really explained why, all you have brought up was it was a weak PG class and he was selected high by default. Court Vision? check, Intangibles? check, Speed/Quickness? check, Defense? check.

So tell me what was missing in Conley's game that did not make him a 1st round prospect in your eyes?

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I think its funny that people

I think its funny that people want to compare a guy who just played his first college game against Princeton to arguably the best PG in the NBA.

Last I checked, Chris Paul is pretty damn good. Not to many guys get to that kind of level. I won't say Irving can't, but how likely is it in all honesty? He may be a good player, but to compare him to Chris Paul is plain foolish and setting the kid up to fail. Conley did have a pretty solid Freshman season at Ohio St...he averaged about 11 ppg and 6 apg on a team with 4 other guys who could score in double figures.

Lets stop comparing the guy to Chris Paul though, thats stupid. He may have that upside, but lets let him get into conference play first.

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When people compare Irving to

When people compare Irving to Paul they don't say he will be as good or better then Paul. They just mean they have the same or similar strengths, weaknesses, and/or playing alike.

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I forgot to post this

I forgot to post this yesterday, but he had 13 and 9 against Colgate with zero turnovers. He looked fantastic getting into the lane and breaking down the defense, creating offense for himself and others. Granted this wasn't exactly against a top team, but he looked impressive nonetheless.

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I like the Conley comparison

I like the Conley comparison over Chris Paul because of personalities. I think Irving's demeanor is more in line with a Mike Conley, having the subtle, smooth game and being a laid back leader. Paul on the other hand is in the Isaiah Thomas mold of being a fiery guy who will get in a guy's face if he has to. It just sounds better to say Chris Paul because people(including me) expect Irving to be better than Conley in the NBA. But to this point in their careers, Irving reminds me a lot of Conley. Lets not forget how good Conley was that year at Ohio State.

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