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Knicks @ Pacers

Pacers 93 - Knicks 82... Pacers take 3-1 lead and look to wrap this series up in NY.

Melo/Smith 16/45 FG and 1 assists. How can you win like that? That's selfish basketball. Melo didn't score in the 4th quarter.

The Knicks ended the season on such a high note. I'm surprised they're playing this poorly. I'm not surprised the Pacers are up 3-1 though. They're just too good defensively and on the boards. They damn near outrebounded the Knicks by 20 tonight.

The Pacers will be a much better opponent and challenge to the Heat.


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All year long I've pegged

All year long I've pegged Indiana as a much better matchup when facing the Heat. George can't shoot this poorly forever, and his overall floor game has bee fantastic against the Knicks. West and Hibbert should give the Heat some maaaaajor problems too. I'm really excited about this upcoming Eastern Conference Finals! I just hope the refs don't overdo things.. I'm expecting a hard-fought series between the Pacers and the Heat.

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Yeah you're right

You're right. The Pacers are the better matchup. I wanted to see Melo and Lebron compete to go to the Finals, but i'll be happy seeing how effective Paul George is going to guard Lebron in a series. It should be pretty interesting to see if the Heat Lebron on David West or if they play Big most of the time.

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"George can't shoot this

"George can't shoot this poorly forever"
Except he's shot like 40% all season + the playoffs.

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Except he's a career 43%

Except he's a career 43% shooter and he's been shooting about 33% in his past five games. If you have watched any of the games in these playoffs, you would know that he's also been missing some pretty wide open shots, even some gimmies in the lane too. So I stand by my statement, mainly because it's the right one, that Paul George can't shoot this porrly forever.

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43% and 33% for his career

43% and 33% proves he's not an efficient shooter... So I don't know why you would bring that up.

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I don't think you understand

I don't think you understand the phrase "can't shoot this poorly forever."

This statement means that George will not continue to shoot at a 33% clip for an extended period of time (since his career and season percentages are TEN percent higher that what he has been shooting).

That is unless he's been taking lessons from Jason Kidd.

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He's not going to shoot like

He's not going to shoot like this "forever" I'm sure, but he's not going to start shooting 50% at the drop of a hat.

He's been shooting this poorly for the last year. He shot 38% in last years playoffs, 41% this season, and 38% in this years playoffs. It's not like he's in a slump, he just can't score efficiently with so much of the offense coming to him. He will in the future but he's not going to shoot over 45% in a series this year.

I don't think you understand that.

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You haven't been watching the

You haven't been watching the games very closely, obviously. He's missing WIDE OPEN three pointers. And this is a player who is capable of getting very hot from deep. And on top of that, he's been missing a few easy layups each game. When that happens, yes, you are in a slump. Sorry to break it to you, friend. And I don't think he'll shoot 45% in a series either. If he did, the guy would average close to 30ppg because of how many threes he shoots. All I'm saying is that he isn't going to hover around 30% forever, let alone for the remainder of the playoffs. Unless LeBron decides to simply shut him down, which he absolutely has the ability to do...

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Stats dont tell it all

MElo and JR are shooting bad but they are not playing selfish at all. No one's playing well for them. He's the only player thats close to playing well.
You gotta consider their roster. Tyson Chandler cant score the ball and is not even looking to roll after setting screens.
Kenyon Martin gets the ball and wont even look near the rim.
Amare can score but is not getting playing time.
JR Smith is trying to score but is one of the worst shooting slumps I have ever seen.
Jason Kidd is getting slower and older by the day and plays a bunch of useless mins. He cant get off a shot unless its wide open, and he is hesitant to take those. He really shouldnt be on the floor. And he's a huge liability on defense.
Shump take shots here and there but mostly looks to pass the ball.
Felton takes shots but mostly looks to pass the ball.
The Knics have K Mart and Tyson on the floor, thats already two non-scorers. They set screens and get out of the way. That leaves Felton who likes to penetrate. But he over penetrates. He can rarely get a shot off.
Melo was 9-18 with 24 points at one point during the 4th quarter. He actually played a good game. Those last 5 shots he missed were desperation shots in the 4th.
1 Chandler lost the ball and Melo picked it up with 2seconds on the shot clock.
Another, Felton got stuck under the basket and threw it out to Melo who had to launch it up as the shot clock went off.
The problem is that earlier in the season, other guys wanted to play. Now they look around at Melo and JR like save us.Tyson Chandler is getting his butt kicked. He may be injured or something but Hibbert is beating him to every rebound and every loose ball. Tyson Chandler made a name for himself getting those tap out rebounds to wide open Knicks shooters. He's not doing that anymore. he's not even trying to get an offensive rebound. His effort looks pathetic. The Knicks are forced to double team Roy Hibbert on every catch because Tyson cant stop him. WTF? Im so disappointed in Tyson Chandler and Jason Kidd that it doesnt makes sense.
Jason Kidd is constantly making the wrong rotations on defense. George can make 2 3s in a row, and Jason Kidd will leave him open to go double David West on the next play. How smart is that?

I cant see how anybody can say that Melo and JR Smith are playing selfish. They are the only offense the team has right now. No one else wants to shoot. They rather throw the ball away or just dribble dribble dribble. The New York Knicks finished 2nd in the East because they shot the ball. They did nothing else but shot the ball. Melo led the league in scoring by shooting the ball. JR got 6th man of the year by shooting the ball. Thats what they do. Let if fly. The difference is, they were making it. And when they were not making it, their teammates were making it. But when none of them were making the shots, TYSON CHANDLER was fighting on the boards getting putbacks and tapouts for second chances at that 3point shot.

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ok, being a die-hard knicks

ok, being a die-hard knicks fan (for some reason i feel like i always have to say that, idk why) i now have to admit that carmelo anthony just doesnt do it for me. the funny thing is, last series i heard people saying melo can never be the guy, and i was mad, i didnt want to ehar, and i criticized the person who said that in a similar rant to this one. however, im falling off the melo ship instead of on. a team cannot win with 1 or 2 guys shooting most of the time. just cant happen, dont even know why i ever thought it could happen. what im saying is we will never see carmelo in a championship until this style of play he plays is turned around. hes very 1 dimensional and it hurts the other players.

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While I do think

Indiana's stellar defense and tough play is taking its toll on the Knicks. I think this says more about NY over all. You live by the three, you die by the three. When the shots stop falling, Miami knows to go hard in the paint and either draw fouls, or use execution to get around defenders. Boston unfortunately already showed how to trump the Knicks. They just didn't have the youth nor the athleticism to do it consistently. The Pacers do.

Not to mention, the rebounding battle (if you can call it that) is completely one sided. You have to rebound the ball, and the Knicks have yet to do that consistently.

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now with that being said.. i

now with that being said.. i agree with bigchamp, they just dont have the right players surround carmelo either. im going to throw out a few names who i think you can put around carmelo and be successful. I AM NOT SAYING WE CAN GET THEM. just pointing out who i think would be perfect complintary players to play alongside carmelo.

1) Taj Gibson
2) JJ Redick
3) Andrea Bargnani
4) Derrick favors
5) Kendall Marshall

Iman shumpert is a perfect role player for carmelo.

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The only way the Knicks can

The only way the Knicks can come back in this series is if Melo and JR stop just trying to get their's and start believing in the ball movement that they had for most of the season.

It's easy to say their teammates aren't shooting the ball well right now, but:
1. Neither are JR and Melo
2. Their struggles shooting the ball means that the offense should focus more on getting out in transition and trying to move the ball quickly to get better shots, not running isolation plays every series down so that everyone tenses up from sitting around watching Carmelo.

Moreover, if the Knicks are hellbent on running all these Iso's for Melo and JR, they need to get the correct personnel on the floor for that.
PG: Felton
SG: Pablo
SF: JR
PF: Melo
C: Chandler
Run with that lineup, so that it spreads the Pacers defense out and opens up more lanes for Melo and JR. If the Pacers collapse, they have 3 guys they can kick out to that can actually shoot the ball.

The Knicks tried going big tonight and still got eaten alive on the glass. They might as well just go back to having Melo at PF like he was early in the year when the Knicks moved the ball so well and just hope that everyone tkaes some pride in getting rebounds and playing as a team.

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The worst part is this team

The worst part is this team is in win-now mode. Chandler is getting dominated this series and nobody outside of Shumpert is going to improve next season.

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@BigChamp12 I know Melo is

@BigChamp12

I know Melo is one of your favorite players, but I don't see how you can continually defend him. He's not playing like he did to start the season when he was playing very efficient and moving the ball. He's shooting 39% in the playoffs and only has 17 assists in 10 games. He rarely EVER makes the extra pass.

That's selfish basketball. He's playing ball dominant, isolation and hero ball.

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