[festar35Participant]

This is all hyperthetical, but if the Pacers were to trade Granger (moving George to SF) for a SG and it was down to these two who do you think would be the better fit? and Why?

Kevin Martin

Monta Ellis

[I May Be WrongParticipant]

As much as I love Monta and his game (which could fit in a lot of teams), having Collison and Monta would be a VERY underiszed backcourt. Kevin Martin is good though and he is an efficient scorer and he comes of screens really well. But doing a trade of Granger, who is a good scorer himself and a pretty underrated defender for a one dimensional player ike Martin would be a little lopsided. The rockets would have to include a young big man, maybe like Jordan Hill 

[I May Be WrongParticipant]

As much as I love Monta and his game (which could fit in a lot of teams), having Collison and Monta would be a VERY underiszed backcourt. Kevin Martin is good though and he is an efficient scorer and he comes of screens really well. But doing a trade of Granger, who is a good scorer himself and a pretty underrated defender for a one dimensional player ike Martin would be a little lopsided. The rockets would have to include a young big man, maybe like Jordan Hill 

[I May Be WrongParticipant]

As much as I love Monta and his game (which could fit in a lot of teams), having Collison and Monta would be a VERY underiszed backcourt. Kevin Martin is good though and he is an efficient scorer and he comes of screens really well. But doing a trade of Granger, who is a good scorer himself and a pretty underrated defender for a one dimensional player ike Martin would be a little lopsided. The rockets would have to include a young big man, maybe like Jordan Hill 

[ilike.panochasParticipant]

Despite Martin having 3 inches on Monta, Monta is still a better defender, so I don’t see your point of Monta and Collison being defensively inclined than Martin and Collison combo. And the Pacers can use another go to player, Monta is closer to being a 1st option player than Martin is.

[ilike.panochasParticipant]

Despite Martin having 3 inches on Monta, Monta is still a better defender, so I don’t see your point of Monta and Collison being defensively inclined than Martin and Collison combo. And the Pacers can use another go to player, Monta is closer to being a 1st option player than Martin is.

[ilike.panochasParticipant]

Despite Martin having 3 inches on Monta, Monta is still a better defender, so I don’t see your point of Monta and Collison being defensively inclined than Martin and Collison combo. And the Pacers can use another go to player, Monta is closer to being a 1st option player than Martin is.

[MagikKnickParticipant]

I’d go with Monta just because.. Paul George is a good scorer, but i see him as more of a Scottie Pippen, in the sense that…hes wayy better as a second option. I also see Martin that way, as a second option. while Monta seems more suited for the lead role. Im not even gonna mention defense, their both pretty terrible on that side of the ball imo

 

Not sure if that made anysense.. im not a fan of proof-reading during my summer…

[MagikKnickParticipant]

I’d go with Monta just because.. Paul George is a good scorer, but i see him as more of a Scottie Pippen, in the sense that…hes wayy better as a second option. I also see Martin that way, as a second option. while Monta seems more suited for the lead role. Im not even gonna mention defense, their both pretty terrible on that side of the ball imo

 

Not sure if that made anysense.. im not a fan of proof-reading during my summer…

[MagikKnickParticipant]

I’d go with Monta just because.. Paul George is a good scorer, but i see him as more of a Scottie Pippen, in the sense that…hes wayy better as a second option. I also see Martin that way, as a second option. while Monta seems more suited for the lead role. Im not even gonna mention defense, their both pretty terrible on that side of the ball imo

 

Not sure if that made anysense.. im not a fan of proof-reading during my summer…

[ghrghrParticipant]

 Kevin Martin scored 23 ppg as a first option for Houston, in a more efficient rate than Monta. He can be a first option in a 43 win team (with other good players, I know). That doesn’t mean he’s a better player than Monta.

I still wouldn’t trade either for Granger, who had a bad season last year, but is a very talented player, but if you ask me who would be a better fit it would be Martin, because Monta needs the ball more and wouldn’t let Collison create plays.

To me, the key for this Indiana team is Roy Hibbert. He must becomes a 16-17 ppg scorer, who can get the ball down low and create for himself.

[ghrghrParticipant]

 Kevin Martin scored 23 ppg as a first option for Houston, in a more efficient rate than Monta. He can be a first option in a 43 win team (with other good players, I know). That doesn’t mean he’s a better player than Monta.

I still wouldn’t trade either for Granger, who had a bad season last year, but is a very talented player, but if you ask me who would be a better fit it would be Martin, because Monta needs the ball more and wouldn’t let Collison create plays.

To me, the key for this Indiana team is Roy Hibbert. He must becomes a 16-17 ppg scorer, who can get the ball down low and create for himself.

[ghrghrParticipant]

 Kevin Martin scored 23 ppg as a first option for Houston, in a more efficient rate than Monta. He can be a first option in a 43 win team (with other good players, I know). That doesn’t mean he’s a better player than Monta.

I still wouldn’t trade either for Granger, who had a bad season last year, but is a very talented player, but if you ask me who would be a better fit it would be Martin, because Monta needs the ball more and wouldn’t let Collison create plays.

To me, the key for this Indiana team is Roy Hibbert. He must becomes a 16-17 ppg scorer, who can get the ball down low and create for himself.

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

6’7 SG that is a lights out scorer or a 6’3 SG that is a lights out scorer??

Ehh, with a PG like Colison, I have to take the one that doesnt need the ball every other posession to be effective..

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

6’7 SG that is a lights out scorer or a 6’3 SG that is a lights out scorer??

Ehh, with a PG like Colison, I have to take the one that doesnt need the ball every other posession to be effective..

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

6’7 SG that is a lights out scorer or a 6’3 SG that is a lights out scorer??

Ehh, with a PG like Colison, I have to take the one that doesnt need the ball every other posession to be effective..

[ilike.panochasParticipant]

You act as if Collison is a scoring PG anyways, he’s a pass first PG and would have no problem playing next to a ball dominant SG. And Martin struggles to create shots for himself, most of his scoring are off screens, cutting to the basket and 3 point shooting, those are not the qualities you look for in a 1st option scorer. Monta is just as efficient a scorer, and is more versatile scorer despite being shorter, he is able to create his own with ease, and thats what you need on your go to player specially the last 2 minutes and you need someone to scorer for you. Monta is a top 5 SG, so I don’t understand how all of a sudden Martin is the better player. 

[ilike.panochasParticipant]

You act as if Collison is a scoring PG anyways, he’s a pass first PG and would have no problem playing next to a ball dominant SG. And Martin struggles to create shots for himself, most of his scoring are off screens, cutting to the basket and 3 point shooting, those are not the qualities you look for in a 1st option scorer. Monta is just as efficient a scorer, and is more versatile scorer despite being shorter, he is able to create his own with ease, and thats what you need on your go to player specially the last 2 minutes and you need someone to scorer for you. Monta is a top 5 SG, so I don’t understand how all of a sudden Martin is the better player. 

[ilike.panochasParticipant]

You act as if Collison is a scoring PG anyways, he’s a pass first PG and would have no problem playing next to a ball dominant SG. And Martin struggles to create shots for himself, most of his scoring are off screens, cutting to the basket and 3 point shooting, those are not the qualities you look for in a 1st option scorer. Monta is just as efficient a scorer, and is more versatile scorer despite being shorter, he is able to create his own with ease, and thats what you need on your go to player specially the last 2 minutes and you need someone to scorer for you. Monta is a top 5 SG, so I don’t understand how all of a sudden Martin is the better player. 

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

Collison is much more effective when he controls the tempo and where the ball goes.. See his days in NO when Paul was down.. If you put Collison on the wing standing and watching, you are doing him and your team an injustice.

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

Collison is much more effective when he controls the tempo and where the ball goes.. See his days in NO when Paul was down.. If you put Collison on the wing standing and watching, you are doing him and your team an injustice.

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

Collison is much more effective when he controls the tempo and where the ball goes.. See his days in NO when Paul was down.. If you put Collison on the wing standing and watching, you are doing him and your team an injustice.

[nateoak10Participant]

Monta does not need the ball to be effective, its just sometihng GSW does causeit certainly doesnt hurt giving him the ball. remember when his role was off ball guard 90% of the time except for the 50% hes at now? he was MIP

[nateoak10Participant]

Monta does not need the ball to be effective, its just sometihng GSW does causeit certainly doesnt hurt giving him the ball. remember when his role was off ball guard 90% of the time except for the 50% hes at now? he was MIP

[nateoak10Participant]

Monta does not need the ball to be effective, its just sometihng GSW does causeit certainly doesnt hurt giving him the ball. remember when his role was off ball guard 90% of the time except for the 50% hes at now? he was MIP

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

Everyone talks about the Pacers hole at shooting guard..But their biggest problem is lack of rebounding..They were near the bottom in the league in rebounding..That has effected Collinson’s ability to get in transition…Maybe they’ll bring Troy Murphy back..

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

Everyone talks about the Pacers hole at shooting guard..But their biggest problem is lack of rebounding..They were near the bottom in the league in rebounding..That has effected Collinson’s ability to get in transition…Maybe they’ll bring Troy Murphy back..

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

Everyone talks about the Pacers hole at shooting guard..But their biggest problem is lack of rebounding..They were near the bottom in the league in rebounding..That has effected Collinson’s ability to get in transition…Maybe they’ll bring Troy Murphy back..

[iguapops420Participant]

 Personally I’d rebuild Reggie Pacers with Collison playing the role of Mark Jackson and George playing similar to Jalen Rose. Hibbert is somewhat similar to Smits and assuming you traded Granger to get Martin, you potentially get Patterson or Hill assuming you get Patterson he could play an enforcer role similar to Dale Davis and have McRoberts spacing the floor similar to Sleepy Sam.

Hibbert/Hansbrough

Patterson/McRoberts

George/Rush/Posey

Martin/BornReady

Collison/AJ

[iguapops420Participant]

 Personally I’d rebuild Reggie Pacers with Collison playing the role of Mark Jackson and George playing similar to Jalen Rose. Hibbert is somewhat similar to Smits and assuming you traded Granger to get Martin, you potentially get Patterson or Hill assuming you get Patterson he could play an enforcer role similar to Dale Davis and have McRoberts spacing the floor similar to Sleepy Sam.

Hibbert/Hansbrough

Patterson/McRoberts

George/Rush/Posey

Martin/BornReady

Collison/AJ

[iguapops420Participant]

 Personally I’d rebuild Reggie Pacers with Collison playing the role of Mark Jackson and George playing similar to Jalen Rose. Hibbert is somewhat similar to Smits and assuming you traded Granger to get Martin, you potentially get Patterson or Hill assuming you get Patterson he could play an enforcer role similar to Dale Davis and have McRoberts spacing the floor similar to Sleepy Sam.

Hibbert/Hansbrough

Patterson/McRoberts

George/Rush/Posey

Martin/BornReady

Collison/AJ

[ghrghrParticipant]

Paul George is serviceable at SG, and he should improve for next season. What needs to happen for this Indiana team is to get a better PF and for Granger to score 23, 24 ppg as he did a couple of years ago.

They could be a new Atlanta-like team, but with Granger as their star they aren’t even Conference finals caliber(unless he steps it up big time).

 

[ghrghrParticipant]

Paul George is serviceable at SG, and he should improve for next season. What needs to happen for this Indiana team is to get a better PF and for Granger to score 23, 24 ppg as he did a couple of years ago.

They could be a new Atlanta-like team, but with Granger as their star they aren’t even Conference finals caliber(unless he steps it up big time).

 

[ghrghrParticipant]

Paul George is serviceable at SG, and he should improve for next season. What needs to happen for this Indiana team is to get a better PF and for Granger to score 23, 24 ppg as he did a couple of years ago.

They could be a new Atlanta-like team, but with Granger as their star they aren’t even Conference finals caliber(unless he steps it up big time).

 

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

@RUDEBOY__

 

You’re 100% right… The Pacers are a TERRIBLE rebounding team and that’s the problem.

 

Murphy was a good player for the Pacers, but bringing him back wouldn’t be the answer. He was a great defensive rebounder and a better offensive player than people gave him credit for, BUT he couldn’t defend, had no back to the basket game and didn’t really get the Pacers any second possession rebounds.

We need a four man that can do those things.

But to the answer the question of the post… I’d go with Kevin Martin. He’d remind people in Indiana of Reggie Miller. He plays a similar game and I think that’d fit in well here with the rest of the young talent.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

@RUDEBOY__

 

You’re 100% right… The Pacers are a TERRIBLE rebounding team and that’s the problem.

 

Murphy was a good player for the Pacers, but bringing him back wouldn’t be the answer. He was a great defensive rebounder and a better offensive player than people gave him credit for, BUT he couldn’t defend, had no back to the basket game and didn’t really get the Pacers any second possession rebounds.

We need a four man that can do those things.

But to the answer the question of the post… I’d go with Kevin Martin. He’d remind people in Indiana of Reggie Miller. He plays a similar game and I think that’d fit in well here with the rest of the young talent.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

@RUDEBOY__

 

You’re 100% right… The Pacers are a TERRIBLE rebounding team and that’s the problem.

 

Murphy was a good player for the Pacers, but bringing him back wouldn’t be the answer. He was a great defensive rebounder and a better offensive player than people gave him credit for, BUT he couldn’t defend, had no back to the basket game and didn’t really get the Pacers any second possession rebounds.

We need a four man that can do those things.

But to the answer the question of the post… I’d go with Kevin Martin. He’d remind people in Indiana of Reggie Miller. He plays a similar game and I think that’d fit in well here with the rest of the young talent.

[iguapops420Participant]

 I’ve wanted MArtin in Indy for a few years now just because of how similar he plays to Reggie. Slight differnce in competitive fire though. Reggie would get dirty and physical occasionally. Both play D like girls though lol.

[iguapops420Participant]

 I’ve wanted MArtin in Indy for a few years now just because of how similar he plays to Reggie. Slight differnce in competitive fire though. Reggie would get dirty and physical occasionally. Both play D like girls though lol.

[iguapops420Participant]

 I’ve wanted MArtin in Indy for a few years now just because of how similar he plays to Reggie. Slight differnce in competitive fire though. Reggie would get dirty and physical occasionally. Both play D like girls though lol.

[surveParticipant]

Ellis is as good or better than Martin at everything except scoring efficiency….and although is a much better distributor, still Martin may be the better fit for Indy because he seems like a better role player if he had to be 2nd option.   But what would that really mean if they didnt have Granger?

[surveParticipant]

Ellis is as good or better than Martin at everything except scoring efficiency….and although is a much better distributor, still Martin may be the better fit for Indy because he seems like a better role player if he had to be 2nd option.   But what would that really mean if they didnt have Granger?

[surveParticipant]

Ellis is as good or better than Martin at everything except scoring efficiency….and although is a much better distributor, still Martin may be the better fit for Indy because he seems like a better role player if he had to be 2nd option.   But what would that really mean if they didnt have Granger?

[Author]

Posts