Kevin Love & Michael Beasley
Just want to say that I'm loving their performances.
One day Love drops 23 and 24, then Beasley drops 42, now Love gets a 30-30 game while Beasley drops 36?
I know Beasley won't drop 30 every night, but this Duo looks like something.
& of course; I have them on both my Yahoo Fantasy Teams(:
Does anyone see these two helping Minnesota long term?
Is Beasley finally taking that step?
Is Love proving he deserves more minutes without a doubt?
When is Ricky Rubio going to join this team!?
They don't need Rubio.
Yada "BLOODY" Gaines!!!
I really do think that Beasley has taken that step. I feel like people were far too quick to give up on him.
What was I thinking when I said that the combo of K-love and Beasley wouldn't work, and that it was worse than the K-love and Big Al combo. Boy was I wrong. I'll call this one, C'MON SON.
Doesn't Miami feel stupid for giving him away for a 2nd round pick.
I see both of them staying in Minnesota for the next 3 to 4 seasons. Despite what the rumors say Love wants to stay in Minnesota. And he is not asking for a trade. And yes he will get more mins! I think B-easy has taken the next step. I could see him scoring 24 a night for the rest of the year. And if both of them keep playing this way i could see both of them in the All-star game in a few seasons. And as far as Rubio goes i don't think he will ever be a t-wolf! Oh by the way i am a huge t-wolves fan even if they stink haha. So everything i said is the best case scenario lol.
miami had some talents.. but just didnt know how to use them. they had dorrell wright who is doing well pretty well right now too.
The Heat are looking like the biggest gamblers in the NBA...
Beasley is and was the Beast in that Draft...Rose was the Clear pick but Beasley would have thrived in Memphis or Minnesota( If the Heat drafted Mayo instead )...He looks like a guy they wanted all along...they tried to make the best when they didn't get Beasley and netted Love, Although I hate how they traded Jefferson and wonder when the Wolves trade Rubio to a team desperate for a Spanish Pg, the Wolves remain a guilty pleasure to root for...Kaun can not screw this up...He's gotta turn Rubio and this years top 5 pick into 2 or 3 solid players...Flynn,Wes,Beasley and Love make this interesting...A top notch prospect and impact player could make this really interesting...
What team want's Rubio enough to make a Sweet Deal...
24 a game thats a lot esp. with scoring down around the league. Kobe and Mello are at 25 not sure Beasley will get up there.
Funny how Miami could've had Wade, Beasley, Bosh and money left over to sign a PG or Center if Lebron went to Chicago, NJ or NY. Then again the Big 3 had a plan for 2 yrs to play together. When is it ever a good idea moving the 2nd pick in a draft just a couple yrs ago. Maybe if that guy was Darko but anyone else you gotta give the player a chance.
If he stays focused 24ppg is within reach for Beasley with the minutes and scoring load he will be carrying. However, consistency has always been Beasley's problem so I predict closer to 20-21ppg this season. Glad that Beasley and Love showed they could have big games together and I hope Rambis keeps going to Beasley and Love. I think Beasley's scoring will go down when Webster comes back because he'll pick up some of the load, another reason why 20-21ppg is best case scenario this season.
Really hope Beasley keeps it up, love a good redemption story.
@T-Wolvesfan13: You're a big T-wolves fan? No way!
Kevin Love and Mike Beasley were 2 of the top 5 players in the high school class of 2007 and its possible that they developed a chemistry with each other while playing in all those AAU/All-Star events for the top high school players. I'm sure there were a few AAU/All-Star events in which they were teammates and led their teams to wins the way they have done the last 2 games against Sacramento and New York.
Playing with Wade did not suit him or help his game. Good to see him playing the way he is playing,I knew he just needed off that squead.
When Rubio joins this team, Sota is finally going to be relevant again in the post KG era.
big demarcus at c love at the 4 and beaser at the 3 very nice but kahn had to draft a sf go figure
Wesley Johnson has turned out pretty good so far at the shooting guard position. Good pick up
I wonder what will happen with Johnson once Martell Webster is healthy. Do you guys think he keeps his starting spot. I tend to think he will, just because the T-wolves probably see him as the future. But what's weird to think about is that both players are 23 years-old.
Does anyone see these two helping Minnesota long term? Not until they guard someone.
Is Beasley finally taking that step? No. Big numbers on a bad team that doesn't guard anyone is not a step. He has aa long way to go before helping a team become a winner.
Is Love proving he deserves more minutes without a doubt? It was Knicks-Timberwolves. Slightly more impressive than Marcus Jordan hanging 28 points in 19 minutes against West Florida.
When is Ricky Rubio going to join this team!? When someone drugs and kidknaps him.
beasley wouldnt have grown if he still wouldve stayed in miami
Yes mike has stepped up and yes those two will help long term that's why it's called long term. They will get better at defense and just all around better. Every team starts somewhere. You recall the thunder? Wasn't a good defensive team and durant/Westbrook putting up numbers on a bad team. A good player is a good player reguardless. If it's a good or bad team Jordan and the bulls didn't become a good team overnight either. It takes time which is what the twolves have. Love and beasley are both a good three years from there prime. Flynn rubio Webster, Johnson. Also years from
There prime. This isn't a finished product so let's remember that. What they are now, they won't be in the future.
Dude... Kevin Love dropped 20 and 20 on the Lake-Show..
This wasn't just a "fluke". Give him some credit.
Look the only fluke I see is whenever Minnesota stops someone from scoring. Bad teams have guys who put up big numbers. It doesn't make them good. Great teams have good players who put up middling numbers because there are only so much to go around. You have to apply context.
The problem with that is everyone knows beasley is good and love.
As well as
T.evans for sactown
E.gordan Blake griffen for clippers
Prince in det
Brooks,scola in Houston
Wall,blachte in Washington
Lopez,Harris in new jersey
Amare with the knicks
So yea that excuse doesn't fly at all
Great players make their teams better. It doesn't always happen right away, but you see progress. Where is the progress in Minnesota? That is an indictment on how good Kevin Love is. NJ took a huge hit when they tanked payroll for last summer, but if Brook Lopez and Devin Harris cannot find a way for the Nets to be some level of competitive it doesn't matter if they have All-Star numbers. Andrea Bargnani putting up Dirk numbers in Toronto does not make him Dirk. Dallas wins, Toronto isn't doing so. It doesn't mean he is a bum, but it means he is nowhere near as good as the numbers. Tyreke Evans is clearly making the Kings more competitive despite the fact that they are slashing payroll and stocking up on a lot of other young guys who might not ever be good.
It's year one of love and beasley. You want progress already? If it was Jefferson and love with the same players then I'd see you're point. But it's love with new players Webster,beasley,Johnson,Luke,telfair. New players. And even with that they are looking like a better team for the future. They are expected to take lumps. Prob for the next two years
both beasley and love look better then last year by alot
Beasley looks better because he has the ball and is under no expectation to guard anyone. Who is surprised that this guy can score? That isn't progress, that is getting exiled in Minnesota. Progress is Beasley would be using that great athleticism on the defensive end. Progress for Love would be understanding how a team defense works.
That's cool. You don't have to think he's gotten better at defense. Even if most agree there's always gonna be one that doesn't. That's life
No, Minnesota's crappiness defensively is pretty well known.
I dont know what games your watching, but Beasley is actually playing solid defense. He is bringing energy and fire on the defensive end.
Good to see Beasley turning in a couple of monster performances, it's early days but the T-Wolves suddenly have a nice core at 2 to 4 with Johnson, Beasley and Love. With Johnson being potentially a very good perimeter defender and Love being a rebounding machine, it has taken some of the defensive pressures off of Beasley and he has responded well so far with a few more solid defensive games. With Flynn to return and Rubio perhaps to come over only time will tell if the young core can gel enough to produce results. With Love and Beasley on fire then Darko can concentrate on his defensive duties and maybe finally become a solid role playing C without having to worry about his offensive game.
BothTeamsPlayedHard is such a sourpuss. Haha. I'm just reading over everything he says, and no matter how well someone plays he still hates on them. Typical conformist who goes by whatever ESPN says. I bet he loves Jim Rome too.
I am a season ticket holder for the Wolves, and I see a lot of the players when the cameras aren't on them (practice, develop, etc.) because someone close to me works within the Timberwolves' franchise. Defensively, sure, Love can't guard anyone very effectively, but Beasely can play more than sufficient defense on most 3's and 4's, so you're definitely wrong there BTPH. I'm not saynig he's a great defender, but what score-first player is a lockdown defender all the time?
The Wolves definitely have a long way to go before they can be mentioned as being in the top half of the league, but they definitely deserve more credit as a team than they are getting from the national media. Once they get all of their rotational players back, I think they will continue to improve.
Kahn Lucked up with some nice situations that were gimmees but still don't let them success that Kahn had little to do with overlook the stupid moves he has made. Imagine how good they could be if they had Steph Curry and Turner in the back court with Love and Beasley. Throw in a Darko with more confidence and you have a legit starting 5 . Kahn was practically given Beasley because Heat wanted their big 3 so bad. I am sure any Gm that Miami came with that deal would have said yes but they somehow went to Minny because Minny 2nd round pick could be on par with a late first rounder. Miami should have never taken Beasley or never kept him. They could have traded the 2nd pick for a whole bunch of needs. I knew when they made the move it would never work and though they should have taken Mayo. Defensiveless, a Mayo Wade backcourt would have been on point. Also Wade is a good enough playmaker that you could have played both together.
If it was possible to have more confidence then Darko id be Will Ferrell.
And did you really just say throw in Darko? thats like saying throw in the greates player of all time.
Anyone who still has hope for darko needs their head examined. Lol
^I completely agree stanfordhoops, I mean what else is there to hope for with Darko. I mean he's attained G.O.A.T. status.
Mr. Morrison, I am a conformist why exactly? ESPN has been pumping up Love for being better than he is since he started doing commercials for them a few years ago.
If you want to go back, I'm sure you can find the thread where I wrote that Beasley would put up monster numbers in Minnesota. Rearranging minutes and numbers on a bad team doesn't give them hope for the future. It wasn't hard to predict, neither was calling them a 20-win team before the year, which is what they are. Go back to the Andray Blatche stuff, the Hassan Whiteside craziness, the immortal Omar Samhan stupidity, or even those wonderful Adam Morrison apologists. Basketball isn't a game where individual point or rebound numbers dictate wins. Why do you think bad teams celebrate their guys' numbers while Spur fans don't care? Is there a single Orlando Magic fan concerned with Dwight Howard's rebounding numbers? Heck, do you even think there is a Laker fan that cared that they were sleepwalking when Minnesota came to town? Enjoy your four years of Darko.
You forgot to answer this from nbanflguy.
"I dont know what games your watching, but Beasley is actually playing solid defense. He is bringing energy and fire on the defensive end."
As far as i'm concerned, being a Barça fan and also loving Minnesota project, I can assure you 2 things:
1) Ricky Rubio has stopped developing from 2 years ago. The same old story with a lot of young prodigys. He reached his potential earlier than the rest and this made people think he could be greater than he actually is. Not a scorer. He'll never be. Not dominant in Europe. He'll never be.
2) Said that, I'm convinced he's gonna make an impact on the NBA. Why? Because NBA game adjusts better to his playing style. In USA his passing skills, dribble and ability to defend passing lines will be brighter. With a little of build up work to his body, which i'm absolutely convinced he'll be forced to do in any NBA team, he's going to be a poor man's Rajon Rondo. Not that bad, uh? Don't worry about his current stats, he's a certain +10 assists on the NBA for sure.
When is Ricky Rubio comming to the NBA? Next season for sure. He has won it almost anything in European basketball. Only lacks spanish league title (last year his team lost the finals) and Barça is also super favourite for this season. Even if they don't win, I think this is Rubio's last season in Europe. His contract has an upgrading salary and a descending clause of exit year by year. Next summer the fee is going to be 1 million dollars. Being the Timberwolves and the player itself capable of paying each half of it, it's a done thing.
Another fact on your side is that Ricky hype has lowered a lot even in Spain. People here realize he's not fullfilling expectations. He's now aware of his place in a european top team. Starter and a regular contributor but not a superstar. He's not in the position to choose a place to be anymore. He's lucky that an NBA team wants him so bad as Timberwolves do. Believe me, if he rejects the possibility to sign with Minnesota next summer it'll be a major surprise.
IMO a Rubio, Beasley, Love combo in the Kurt Rambis's system fits perfectly. Lots of pick&roll and fast pace basketball. I'm not sure if it's enough to make the playoffs but definitely fun to watch.
The Heat should have kept Beasley instead of getting Bosh and signed some role players for depth with that money they spent on Bosh. It's stupid they gave him away for a 2nd rounder. When the trade happened, I wanted to say something on the forums about it, but I thought people would have been like well they got 3 of the best players... To give up a legit #2 overall pick for a 2nd rounder is asinine. I'm sure teams would have given up much more for Beasley.
I know Bosh was expected to do much more than what he is doing right now, and I'm not counting him out for the season. Bosh's play can only get better hopefully, but essentially, Beasley could play the role that Bosh is playing right now for the Heat which is really a jumpshooting forward... Haslem could have started if Beasley stayed on the team, and they could have used that money somewhere else. With that being said, kudos to minny for being gifted a legit #2 overall pick, and I think Beasley is thriving in Minny as the #1 scorer.
I totaly agree with you man. I mean look at these numbers:
Beasley: 20 ppg 47% shooting
Love: 18 PPG 14.6 RPG playing under 30 MPG
Timberwolves: 3-7 record.
I mean these guys suck. They are terrible.
What about that steve nash guy. Suns are only 4-4. That guy is a joke
Danny Granger? Pacers are not above .500. He is like the worst player in the leauge.
That Dan Marino guy. What did he ever win? He sucked. One of the worst players of all time
Most sports are a team game. No matter how great a player is, he needs a supporting cast around him. There are plenty of great players that could not win because they did not have the supporting players and coaching staff to compete. Beasley and Love a good players with the potential to be great. Where is the improvement in minnesota? in case you dont remember the timberwolves didnt win their 3rd game untill the 20th game of the season. This year it took them 10 games. They are making the team better
I agree with BTPH's premise, there are definitely mediocre players who put up good stats on terrible teams. But Love and Beasley have made the Wolves better. They are vastly improved from last year and while I doubt they'll be winning the West any time soon, it's certainly a start.
why are so many people getting on miami like the season is almost over?..lol...every smart basketball person knew that it was gonna take some time. the not so smart ones thought just because you put three very good players on one team then they will just start blowing people out. It takes time to gel plus they are very very weak at the pg position and the center I hope this finally shuts peopel up who thought with those three you can put anyone else with them and they will dominate from the word go
You forgot to answer this from nbanflguy.
"I dont know what games your watching, but Beasley is actually playing solid defense. He is bringing energy and fire on the defensive end."
Energy and fire to the tune of 109 points per game for opponents. 46 percent shooting, 6 percentage points higher than they are shooting. They are giving up 30 free throws per game. A staggering 25 assists to opponents per game. Wonderful. Fire and passion all the way to 20-62. Those two will improve the team right into Harrison Barnes or Perry Jones.
either way hes playing better defense then he has before. they werent expected to win a bunch of games so they are pretty much on course to what was expected which was to take there lumps and get better as the seasons pass just like every other team has at one point or another
Who really didn't expect Beasley to put up big numbers? Everyone knows he can score, but it doesn't mean if he's not helping a team win. I've watched Beasley play 2 or 3 times this year as a big fan of his, but he's still a below average defender. He tries more than he ever has, but he's still not a guy who is effective for more than spurts. I maintain that Beasley is a 6th man off the bench on a good team, despite his scoring ability. He isn't a winning player if he's pacing your team in scoring playing legit starter minutes.
Kevin Love is an absloute monster on the glass and solid scorer too, but who can honestly say he's the type of player you win big with as a centerpiece. He's too bad on D and he doesn't possess the endurance. Maybe T-Wolves/Love/Beasley fans want to believe he's a centerpiece, but truth is Love is a big reason why the Wolves team D is so bad.
I essentially agree with Bothteamsplayedhard about both of these guys.
Teams can improve dramatically in the NBA from year to year. A good team defensive scheme takes a commitment from top to bottom. When good coaches (Larry Brown, Avery Johnson, McMillan, Skiles, etc) take a job, they bench guys who don't play defense to set the tone. You end up seeing guys like Keith Bogans getting more minutes than some of the money guys for that reason. Luc Richard Mbah a Moute took Joe Alexander's gig. Avery will put out Kris Humphries when Troy Murphy doesn't get it done on that end. Rambis tried to send a message to Love for not moving his feet and got killed for it. Bad organization from top to bottom that deserves every loss it gets.
Big men typically take longer to develop and right now Darko is in the best place to regain his confidence. He showed a pretty good defensive center in Orlando one year when his confidence appear to be higher than it is now. The skills and ability is there but the mental is lacking. The mental can be worked on over time. Also Telfair may get an opportunity to show he can actually start or be a top bk up in this league with the minutes he will be getting with guys out. They may have lost but Telfair appeared to have played well( did not see the game because hey it is the wolves although at least now they have Beasley who I think can match Durant in some ways stat wise if he can continue to learn the game and not get into trouble. I know that is a big if but so far so good.
Same can be said about rose. Good at scoring and passing but below average defender
WOW! I never thought I would see JNixon-Iggy9 and BTPH agree on something.
To a much greater extent though. And Rose has proven he can lead a winning team.
Darko's ft% is almost twice as much as his fg % odd.
This is what his 8th year, outside of his shot blocking he does very lil.
The rebs are decent surprising that he doesn't get more mins the Wolves have no depth really esp. in the front court, he'd be a decent backup for teams def.