Kevin Love does it again
Why is this surprising people? Love averaged 10 rebounds a game while playing only 28 minutes last season....And he averaged 9 rebounds his rookie year....
Guys like Love,Boozer and Pierce are showing everyone that you dont have to be super athletic to play in the league.....
because not many expected this from love. They knew he was a good re bounder and could score but did you honestly envisioned this? Leading the NBA in rebounding? Hopefully this finally convinces some ignorant people that you dont have to be very athletic or fast or tall to be a good player/allstar
Alright man.
Funny how you argued about Jared Sullinger and most ppl disagreed and now your KLOVEtheallstar all of a sudden when I almost swore you said on that All star ballot topic, you said Love wouldn't be a allstar.
Eh, pointless to argue just corny to me.
I said love probably wouldn't make the allstar team because of the Twolves bad record.
The same people who disagreed are the same people who didn't think love would be that good so i'm not losing any sleep over that. if its corny to you so be it life goes on
The same people who disagreed are the same people who didn't think love would be that good so i'm not losing any sleep over that. if its corny to you so be it life goes on
So you remember who said he's be a bust two years ago? Noone predicted he wouldn't have a 43-17 game? I didn't.
yeah they do just look at the Blake topics or the many people who post when there's a Kevin Love topic. Obviously people do wanna talk about a good power forward on a bad team. Or pg,sg,sf,c. As long as they are good people wanna talk about them
Exactly. Although i must admit i was one of the 99percent lol
No one seems to mention that when they say how bad a GM Kahn is which i still don't understand. The man made moves that will help them for the future by drafting the point guards. If Rubio pans out then alot of people will look pretty dumb, if he doesn't then Khan might look dumb but only if Flynn also doesn't pan out
Lee did deserve to make the playoffs, most of the players, reporters and analysts thought so too.
The 43pts surprises me, he's getting close to an automatic 12-15 rebs a night.
He must've really worked on his game after last season, whatever he did its really paying off.
I throw out last year for the Wolves but this year they should win some games with Love, Beasley they need a PG to play well badly though.
Lemmy break this down as clearly as possibly so all you ignorant people really understand this. I might even double post it so there is no way you can miss it
Michael Beasley is somebody who a lot of people call a very athletic combo forward. He's fast in the open court, very coordinated with tremendous body control, very quick especially on spin moves. And Beasley got hops. Throw the ball up and no doubt Beasley is throwing it down. Love on the other hand is considered unathletic and over weight but this really has everything to do with looks and perception because in real life they are not that far apart athletically, it's amazing how these two players can both test out to exact measurements but play a world a part on the court. It's all mental and how you play on the court and how you use what you have and everbody uses it different. Kevin Loves pure purpose on the floor is to take advantage of underestimating how fast and strong he is. Plus he knows where the ball is going to be before you do making him so much more dangerous then most players going for a rebound.
Ht. w/o Shoes Wingspan Stndng Reach Max Vert Lane Agility 3/4 Sprint
Beasley: 6'7" 7'0.25 8'10 35" 11.06 3.24
Love: 6'7.75" 6'11.25 8'11 35" 11.17 3.22
Then I compare them to a few other power forwards especially Amare because he's a monster and Love fairs stacks up well with them in terms of athletic ability.
Stoudemire : 6'8.50" 7'1.75" 9'0.5" 35.5" 11.19 3.25
Then a supposed athletic rookie from this class
Aminu: 6'7.25" 7'3.25" 9'0.5" 33.5" 11.29 3.30
The point is just because somebody doesn't play with extra flair doesn't mean he is unathletic. Love stores his quickness and speed and like Duncan only uses it when necessary like the last surge for a rebound. He also boxes out very well and can jump just as high as most elite power forwards and thats a huge attribute people fail to ever credit love with. Love can really get up there for boards. And with his body shielding off an opponent combined with his underrated quickness that got him in position to do it and you got a player people just really don't understand.
I predicted going into this season he could be a 17-14 guy, I have posted before about it. I thought he had the capability of having a 20-13 or 14 rebound season after seeing how well he was hitting his outside shot at the worlds and realizing he is going to be one of the leaders of this team and has earned the right to take most of the shots after his Olympic run so this is fun for me I am enjoying his breakout year. He is the only guy who played at UCLA or anywhere who sought advice from John Wooden before he died. He takes his craft very serious and is just scratching the surface.
They are the official NBA draft combine measurements. Love measured in at 6'9.5" in sneakers so they listed him at 6'10 he is really closer to 6'9. Love measured pretty much 6'8" barefoot making him atleast 6'9 by NBA standers. Aminu could be listed at 6'10 and nobody would take a second look. But the only guy who is really 6'10 that i listed is Amare the rest should be listed at 6'9.
It's gets on my nerves when I see Durant listed at 6'9. He measured in at 6'9 barefoot with mr. fantastic wing span. Durant should be listed at 6/11.
"Lee did deserve to make the playoffs, most of the players, reporters and analysts thought so too.
The 43pts surprises me, he's getting close to an automatic 12-15 rebs a night.
He must've really worked on his game after last season, whatever he did its really paying off.
I throw out last year for the Wolves but this year they should win some games with Love, Beasley they need a PG to play well badly though."
Then I am sure there must be a good explanation for why Golden State can sign a player to a $60 million contract and be no better than they were last year. That is some All-Star.
BothTeams has this love argument so well down pat.
Their is a distinct reason why all stars 99% of the time come from winners. Because truely great players can get their teams to .500 in the NBA. Taking a 2nd or 3rd guy on a team who is winning means more than taking K Love, and his 42-127 and his .248 career winning percentage. K Love isnt that great. Anyone that watches basketball knows this. D Rose got drafted same year. Hes made his team a winner. Russ Westbrook is helping OKC win games. K Love is putting up numbers on an aweful team.
Monta Ellis did this last year, and was marred as "a guy putting up numbers on a bad team" but for whatever reason, Love has this super obsessive following that doesnt know good basketball.
billyk, it's not Love's fault that his team sucks. He is an absolute monster who would produce in any lineup.
Yeah, winning is more important than numbers for a team.
But if you apply that notion to players, then Marquis Daniels is a better player than Kevin Love.
The NBA compensates for height by taking into account a player's wingspan and standing reach. Since nobody rebounds with their head the NBA players are listed at what we call "Valued Height:" If 2 players both stand 6'8 in socks but one player has a 6'10 wingspan while player B has a 7'4 wingspan. Player B obviously with his more length will have a greater Height Value then the first player.
And Love Rebounds!!!! That may be the only stat that is instantly transferable to other levels of competition and other teams. Rebounders will almost always rebound. Name a team that Love wouldn't get over 12 rebounds a game for......And another you guys are forgetting is that Love is getting over 20 points a game without a great PG and Beasley gunning from the other forward spot. Love isn't like a wing player who can get the ball and just shoot. Love players power forward. It's so much harder for him to score. How many Power Forwards in this league right now are averaging 20 PPG? Put Love on say....the Pacers you don't think the puts the Pacers in the playoffs and still gets like 17 and 14?
His numbers are impressive. Especially 15 rebs, 43 3PT% in only 36mpg and 28 eff.
But he is still shooting only 45% from the field and is not taking a lot of shots of the dribble. His offensive rebounds would be lower if his team was able to execute.
And just look at the Forwards from the west:
- Dirk
- Gasol
- Odom
- Durant
- Melo
- Scola
- Z-Bo
- Lee
- Blake Griffin
- Duncan
Who would you take Love over?
You can probably move Timmy and Gasol to the center spot because there are no centers in the west who would deserve it, maybe Chandler.
Dirk, Durant, Melo are locked as forwards also.
So far I would say that Odom is an All-star also. 16-10 shooting 58% with 3 assists for the Lakers.
Maximum four forwards. Coaches might pick Love because he is having 15rpg but I don't think he really deserves it as a player. Sorry.
Scola and Z-Bo have nice numbers on better teams. Blake Griffin has a sick season also and coaches might pick him over Love because he is a highlight-reel. Lee sux so far this season.
west front court:
pau gasol, tim duncan, dirk nowitzki, kevin durant, carmelo anthony are all locks in my mind.
That leaves 2 spots. Guys i see fighting for those 2 spots are lamar odom, blake griffin, kevin love, paul millsap, luis scola, zach randolph and david west. I would pick odom and love.
"and for those using wins against love, take kevin off the wolves and replace him with zach randoplh, david west, paul millsap, luis scola. How much better do you think they are?"
That is a very good argument, I agree.
The thing is there are 4-6 spots and the West also has a lot of guards who deserve it. Blake, Love and Odom would battle for the last 1-2 spots.
West Guards:
- Paul
- D.Will
- Nash
- Roy
- Kobe
- Westbrook
- Billups
- Manu
So have fun picking. I would rather go for more Guards than Forwards. Williams, Kobe, Paul, Westbrook are locked. Manu and Nash would deserve it also. Billups and Roy have bad seasons so far but they are proven.
If I look at the whole picture I still think he isn't an All-Star. Close though and like I said, coaches might be so impressed by his 15rpg that they pick him over someone like Odom who would deserve it more imo.
they usually go with 5 gaurds. I think kobe, westbrook, nash, dwill, paul all get in for sure. I guess manu would be another one so then maybe knock one forward off which would probably be love. SO yeah, i change my mind. Love would be the 13th guy and miss the all-star game.
"Derrick Rose went to a playoff team"
False. The Bulls won the lottery. Hence they were in the lottery, hence they were not in the playoffs. And after making the playoffs his rookie year, they lost their leading scorer to free agency and still lead them to the playoffs his 2nd year, and had his team with a winning record before their only major acquisition of this offseason returned. But D Rose is in the MVP conversatioon. K Love will be extremely lucky to be in the All star conversation.
"Then I am sure there must be a good explanation for why Golden State can sign a player to a $60 million contract and be no better than they were last year. That is some All-Star"
Yeah he was an All Star last year chosen by ppl with some real knowledge about the game. Players like Duncan, Shaq and guys on the Lakers had nothing but great things to say about David Lee last season. He played out of position and had no help behind him w/the Knicks front line esp. after the trade with the Rockets.
I think Lee is overpaid but he was still deserving of being an All Star last season, its not his fault the rest of the Knicks team was terrible look at the players on the team 3 of the 5 starters are coming off the bench this season. The Warriors traded away some contracts and depth in the offseason in Maggette, Turiaf, Randolph. They'll be good in a few years if they draft well, Lee missed 8 games they went 1-7. Curry missed 7 games the team has gone 2-5. When both Lee and Curry have played the team has gone 6-6 thats definately an improvement there. Right now the team has no back up forwards and the starting Center with a weak offensive game he's averaging 6.7ppg and shoots 25% on free throws. The main problem with this team has been their 1st round draft picks in recent years Brandon Wright, Udoh, Randolph, Belinelli, Diogu, O'Bryant only one player thats starting in Steph Curry.
The guy had 43 and 17. I know it baffles some who think a undersized non athletic guy shouldn't be putting up numbers like that. Especially one who is only 21-22 years old. All about skills,hustle,positioning, and hard work. Those things over come height,weight,athleticism. T Wolves still lost because they dont have more Love