I was shocked as hell that Dumars chose KCP over Burke...Joe Dumars' son Jordan is also very close friends with Trey.. I understand the pick that he made but he must have a lot of faith in Brandon knight to turn into a legit PG... personally... knight plays better as a SG... Should've drafted Burke and slid knight to the SG... it would've been a small backcourt but that's why you got Andre Drummond protecting the paint...
I haven't lost faith in Knight as a player... but him playing the PG position ive already started to question dating back to the season... Overall... Dumars is an idiot.. I used to defend him but now its just pointless
And as a side-note, the Wolves were pretty bummed out that they stole their man at #9. They were targeting KCP for quite some time now.
Muhammad can become a much better player if he can get his act together. I think KCP not falling to them was a blessing in disguise.
Maybe all the thoughts that the Pistons lost confidence in Brandon Knight as a point guard wasn't true. I mean if they had lost faith in Knight as a point guard they certainly could have drafted Trey Burke or MCW.
Overall I do agree with your feeling though that Joe Dumars is an idiot.
that's what im saying.. im saying that they haven't lost faith in knight as a PG which led them to choose KCP
I'm from Detroit and I believe I speak for the whole city when I say "JOE'S GOTTA GO". As a die hard Pistons fan I may have died last night.
If nothing else Burke would have sold tickets and brought the fans back. I'm of the belief he will be a great point in the league, but if nothing he'll be more of a TRUE point than Knight will ever be. Shooting guards are a dime a dozen and the Pistons have a ton of cap space this off season. They could've found a 2 easy in free agency. Good points don't grow on tree's. There options now are resign an aging/injury prone Jose Calderon... hopefully, or Will Bynum who's no starter.
Marco Belinelli, O.J. Mayo, Monta Elis, J.J. Redick, J.R. Smith, Kevin Martin, Nick Young,Tyreke Evans, Manu Ginobili, Randy Foye, ALL attainable shooting guards in free agency, not to mention you could trade Stuckey too, who's contract will expire next year! I've lost all faith Joe Dumars. Once great, but now...
I read that Calderon wasn't just supposed to be an end of the year rental, that they had longer term plans for him.
Do you think they'll try to retain him? If so, at what price? It could cost them more than they think because supposedly Calderon wants to go somewhere he can win and i don't see the Pistons as a playoff team next yr.
I don't see Knight as their future point. I just don't.
You are EXACTLY right!! Calderon is a good point... when healthy I'm sure a title contender can use him as a insurance policy. Then of course you have the sorrier teams like THE PISTONS that are STARVING FOR A POINT and could use him, and for those 2 reason he'll command a hefty contract in spite of his medical history. A young promising Trey Burke would've made WAAAAAAY more sense for the core of the team.
I think Trey Burke would have been the best guy on the board and you make it work somehow. Brandon Knight would be better off the bench as a combo guard I think. Trey Burke is more of a franchise guy at point. I think there is a big difference.
And, like you said they would have sold tickets if the Pistons had taken Trey Burke. Not sure any team will sell more tickets now due to this draft. Maybe the Wizards with Otto Porter? I know people in Memphis would be more likely to go to a Grizz game if D.J. Stephens was drafted here and played well.
I am not sure that KCP is the guy for Detroit. I would have also looked at MCW instead.
Not that I don't like KCP. He's really good, but he can't dribble very well. He would have been best paired with a good facilitating point guard. Hmmm, wonder if there any good facilitating point guard we could've got at 8???
Last years team was garbage. Corbin sat our lotto picks on the bench most of the season behind inferior vets (especially in the case of Hayward and Burks, Favors and Kanter you can at least make an argument for playing behind Al and Sap), ran the offense entirely through Big Al, and had terrible play from the PG spot all season. I don't think we're going to win as many games next year, but with Burke manning the point and Kanter and Favors training with Malone all summer, it's going to be some exciting basketball. I went to zero games last season, but am already planning on going to at least 5 this year. And I am far from the only Jazz fan who feels this way.
8th and 9th should have switched. Trey could have really been great for the Pistons, but he will be just fine in Utah as well. KCP would have been a great fit for the Wolves as well, but oh well...
Let's just wait and see how Knight plays this season. Holiday and Lawson did take some time too. I like them giving him the chance to run this team and by the way the Pistons have cap space too. Maybe they still go after Jennings or Reke or better Iggy who would be a perfect fit playing in his point forward role.
Detroit got a pretty good player and who knows they may still have some move left. Dumars may not be the greatest but his last few drafts have been great. KCP could have possibly gone higher if he played on a better team. If KCP is pretty good then you have to give Dumars his due. Some of it was luck that Monroe and Drummonds fell but he was bold enough to take them when nobody else would. Now all Detroit needs is 3 man and a possibly upgrade at point guard. They have enough cap space and assets to get it done.
I am obviously in Detroit and have heard all the backlash from word of mouth to the radio callers talking about its a bad pick, joe messed up, this is darko all over again (which is just crazy talk) and all that. Everybody is talking about what Burke is and what he can do.........Not once has anybody said it was a bad pick based on KCP's game. Maybe cause people don't know about him or they are stuck on the whole UM to Detroit story. I think if B mac was there and they took b mac it would be the same reaction, at least in the city. Its messed up that this pick is getting looked at so badly and KCP is getting &$#%#&@! on before he even steps on the court.......
Im probably in the minority on my feelings about Burke but I just dont think he will be that great of a pro. I liked McCollum, MCW, Shroeder more than him to be better NBA pg's. I could say that I think its because he's a little short and wont be able to get his shot off very easy and that he doesnt make up for a lack of size with elite quickness or even end to end speed, or even that I dont see him as being a distributor at this level, hes not a pass first pg to me by any means and he'll have to be I think. MCW will be an all star to me. So his shot isnt great yet, it will get respectable but aside from that, hes obviously a huge, long pass first PG. He can see over defenders and he will learn to be very effective on the block. His size, athletic tools and pass first mentality will make him really good. I just dont see how Burke overcomes his disadvantages. They just seem like things that are hard to improve, things that are seemingly out of his control. And Detroit will be ok with KCP, because he will put the ball in the hole. He rebounds amazingly for his size and that is because he is tough and smart. He'll be a good pro.
And I also like Nate Wolters ending up in Milwaukee. He'll get a chance to play there and I think he is very underrated. Not many weaknesses in his game other than the typical "skinny white kid, not athletic" stuff. He's pretty quick and is an excellent ball handler. Overall a good player. And no pressure in Milwaukee, no glitz, glam blah blah blah stuff. Not that he'd get any of that anyway.
People get over it! Trey burke is not a piston and KCP is. Some of you posters act like he would've been the pistons savior from mediocrity. In reality burke will be good, but we do not need an undersized guard who will most likely struggle against bigger guards defensively. I would rather trade or sign for one in FA. Some of you guys act like BK is just the worst...but in reality he is 19 or 20 and still getting adjusted to his position. I strongly believe he is going to come back next season having a career high season (because so much is weighted on him). Also he's can still learn from Cheeks(and Calderon, if resigned) as well.
As for KCP, it is what it is.. He has potential to be good but its not like he's gonna be the first go-to guy on offense.. In which I think that role is saved for whoever we sign or trade for. I see him being in the slightly same role as Rip hamiton back in 03. People give dumars a break. We didn't even see him play in a game yet. At least withofld your judgments until the summer league is over with..
Overall, I believe KCP is exactly what the pistons needed and Burke was not
Just chill on dumars, im pretty sure that Dumars and his son, had their impression on KCP
I like the pick. If we'd taken Burke we would have a hugely undersized backcourt. With KCP we have size, athleticism and shooting - all things we need. Lets see how knight goes with a former PG as a coach and with someone who can space the floor in KCP.
Burke would have been an OK pick but I preferred seeing KCP at 8.
Don't understand all the hate for Joe. Yes he drafted Darko but he has done pretty well in drafts since. Burke is not as sure-fire as people are making out.
KCP played on a bad team, Trey Burke played on a good team.
In terms of talent, they are pretty equal, KCP is younger, and is a pure scorer while I'm not sure what Burke will do in the league. He's too small for his lack of athleticism.
I like KCP quite a bit. It was a solid pick but I also feel like Burke could end up as the best player in this draft and has a better chance of being a star caliber player than KCP. That doesn't mean KCP can't reach that level but I am pretty confident that Burke will be a special player. I understand the frustration of some of the Pistons fans especially since many fans have given up on the idea that Knight can develop into a point guard. I'll say that I am not at all disappointed with KCP, I think he was a top ten player in this draft.
I love KCP's ability to defend, rebound, and shoot. There is even more to like about his game. He is great in transition, doesn't turn the ball over a lot despite having the ball in his hands often at Georgia, gets to the free throw line at high rate. My hope is that he becomes stronger and is able to confidently drive to the hoop and finish around the basket. His reliance on his jumper is a glaring weakness in his game. He has the ability to create his own shot off of the dribble but he settles too often for jumpers when he has the opportunity to get all the way to the rim with his speed and athleticism. He needs to work on his ball handling and strength. I'm confident he can be a solid starter without even reaching his ceiling so I wouldn't rake Dumars through the coals just yet.
KCP is my sleeper for ROY. He reminds me of Terrence Ross except he has much better shot creating and dribbling ability and less athletisism. I think if you can shoot, dribble, and have a good first step in this league you can be an above average scorer. You rarely find players with all three, for instance a guy like Shabazz has been criticized for his shooting, dribbling, and explosiveness all throughout this draft process. KCP should be very good, not saying he is better then Burke I probably would e gone with Burke then tried to make a deal for Afflolo with Knight but Im not going to dismiss the selection or undervalue KCP.
I actually thought Carter Williams was the no brainer pick for them as he'd allow Knight to play SG but guard PGs and MCW was far and away the best passer in the draft and would of made the game so much easier for Drummond and Monroe.