Kawhi Leonard..... not sold
I feel now is the time to discuss my true feelings and thoughts regarding Leonard. I am not a fan of his, I respect what he does but I think its absurd to think he is a top 10 talent. Even worse is the fact there a rumors swirling that my beloved raptors may take him at 5. I watched numerous games of his this season and I realized he really does not have any ball handling skills, if you watch closely he bobbles it and its just doent look fluid and another issue is his range did not even expand out to the college 3, how will he deal with the nba 3? I think he will be a bust and I hope the raps do not take him. I realize this is a very weak draft but to take him at 5 is disturbing. I dont like his long term potential either. I am not sold on him at all.
Kabricky Leonard. I'm not sold on him, he might be a decent or good NBA player but never a great one, never an all star. Teams have him ranked too high.
Not nearly as athletic as Sean Marion or GWallace as people are comparing him to. Vertical was only 32" that's not good for the type of player he is.
Im not sold on him at all. I dont even want my Bobcats taking him at 9 if hes there. His comparison is Gerald Wallace but this guy is light years from bringing what Wallace can bring to the table, hell it took Wallace years to develop from what he once was which was similar to Kawhi Leonard to someone who could crack the rotation. I dont think hes ready to contribute right away nor do I think he has tremendous potential. If he lives up to Wallace he will be well worth the pick but I feel thats such a long shot that I wouldn't take him top ten.
I don't think anybody is considering him to be an All-Star caliber player.
Who exactly is a better small forward in this draft?
yeah same here i actually have him going 9th to the Bobcats and have Marcus Morris going to the Wiz at 6 because Marcus Morris is a inch taller( maybe 2) , had a higher vertical , had more on the bench (at the combine ). Marcus is also obviously a better offensive player that some people say has a Paul Pierce outside game and a Antwan Jamison inside game . Marcus Morris can rebound the ball also and Morris said his game was restricted at Kansas so I think he could be a good versitile player unlike Kawhi Leanord who didnt impress any one at the combine and he is suppose to be this athletic guy that can defend. So why would you take him at 5 or 6 in the draft if he cant prove his athleticism in the combine
+1 @kanyedabest, I've been saying this all year that he was overrated. He's got subpar ball handling and shooting. Great rebounder for a small forward but does that warrant a top a 5 pick? Not in my opinion. I saw he was ranked in the lottery all year and I thought the same thing that happened to Honeycutt would happen to him and he'd drop to the 20s. Instead he has started climbing the boards. He's somewhat of a safe pick in the fact that you know he can play defense and rebound, two things that translate well, but I don't see him being much of an offensive threat at the next level.
Yes he kind of reminds me of Stanley Robinson that played for Connecticut drafted 59th last year...
It is definitely a big risk taking him but he could end up great.
How high do you draft an all hustle defender that needs serious work to be a complete player, as much as I like his attributes and overall style of play I wouldn't draft him in hopes he'd make an impact in my starting lineup, career role player, not bad because I think that's what most players should aspire to be but let's he real people have teams as high as the Wizards picking him, I can see picking him at 18, but jot 6th like most people have him going...
Some mocks have him going 5th! He should at least have some all star potential.
I wouldn't want my 5th overal pick to just be a decent NBA player, his upside isn't as great as some of the other players. I just think it's a reach where some mocks have him ranked.
He had some impressive physical measurements but watching him play he doesnt have much offensive skill or explosiveness. I really dont think he should be a lottery pick. He looks a lot like another Mbah a Moute, a very good defender but definitely not a top 7 pick.
it's a weak draft thats why he is so high.
I go to California State Long Beach, which is about an 90 minute drive from SD. I was able to watch all their games this year. His defensive is good no doubt about that. But anything higer then top ten is a reach with this guy. He has no offensive skills, besides on fast breaks and rebounding put backs. He would pretty much be dead weight in a half court system on offensive. I havent seen his J lately but i cant imagine he has improved it where he would be anything close to a consistent three point shooter this year. His dribble is what suprises me, he was really physical allowing him to mask his bad handles in college. He never looks smooth, it has this robotic feel watching him create his own offensive. I honestly cant understand how he is a lock for the lottery. But that is why i am here and they are working in the NBA! lol Still at best i see him as a Kirlenko......at BEST. I honestly see him as a Desean Stevenson (as far as production) with more emphasis on D and less on O compared to Desean. I know some people down in SD who know him, but i have never met him and i would guess if you ask anyone from SDSU they would say they "know" him ahah. So i cant give anymore insignt on that. But i can see him as a 13-8 type of guy in his career. I hope he does well its always nice when some one from the state schools down in SO-CAL get some love in the NBA. Being right next to UCLA and USC can get annoying.
I doubt BC would take Kawhi Leonard at #5. If he does, I would be very disappointed.
I would take Bismack Biyombo, Brandon Knight, Kemba Walker, Jonas Valanciunas, Jan Vesely, Tristan Thompson, and probably Alec Burks over Kawhi Leonard. He's like #10 at best on my draft board.
Seeing Leonard all of sudden become top 10 material right before the lottery was settled was a bit surprising but here is the reasoning behind it.
Leonard has always been a defensive beast. He has always been considered as one of the most athletic prospects in this draft. He was well known for his defense while his offense was a bit suspect. His defense, his superb athleticism, his huge hands, and his humongous wingspan (Over 7 ft) are what merited him as a late lottery pick. Then during his workouts in Las Vegas, Leonard showed scouts his ability to shoot the ball well too. He showed scouts that he was not just effective on the defensive end but also on the offensive end. In other words he was effective on both ends of the ball. Yes, he can shoot the NBA 3. He proved that to scouts in Vegas. True, he is not a great 3pt shooter but good enough. But even if he couldn't shoot the 3, doesn't mean he can't play well in the NBA and it certainly doesn't mean he is a bust. Leonard is a terrific rebounder. He averaged 10 boards per game at SDSU this year as well as last year. As all of us know rebounded is one of the few things that for sure transfers over to the NBA well. Those things, Defense, huge hands, supreme athletic abilities, the ability to shoot the ball somewhat well and his huge wingspan are what make him unique and a top 10 pick, possibly even a top 5 pick.
I think he would do well in Toronto. His defense would be welcomed as the Raptors are one of the worst defensive teams in the league, and his athletic ability would look pretty good next to Derozan. The Raptors would become a very athletic team with Derozan, Davis and Leonard. I disagree, I think will do well, and I think any team should consider themselves lucky to have him.
As I asked, who's a better small forward than him in this draft?
^ doesnt matter man.. when u have the 5th pick in the draft u draft the best player available not by need and he is not worthy of a 5th pick..... id rather have sonny weems any day all day then leonard
Jan Vesely is a better SF than Kawhi Leonard. Him being the 2nd best SF speaks to the weak SF's in the class as opposed to him being worth a top 10 pick.
I'd honestly rank Honeycutt and Hamilton above Leonard, they will both play a lot of Sf later in their careers...both have more potential than Leonard, I love Leonard as posted above but I'm not drafting in the top ten no matter what they call this draft class...
Being the best small forward in this class is like being the worlds tallest midget, congratulations...
"id rather have sonny weems any day all day then leonard"
Well, there's not need to argue with that logic... SMH
"Jan Vesely is a better SF than Kawhi Leonard."
That may be true, but at the moment, Vesely is a higher risk than Kawhi. Not saying Kawhi isn't a risk either, but Vesely is a higher risk.
I agree. He can't shoot, jump, or dribble.
I've heard many people compare him to Gerald Wallace and Shawn Marion, but he's nowhere near as athletic as those two. He's an overrated athlete, and people found that out at the combine.
He's a good rebounder and defender, but I think there are more talented players that might go behind him in this draft. I hope my Wizards don't take him, because Chad Ford has him going to us, and I heard that he had a good workout with up.
Some people projecting him as the #1 SF in this draft shows just how weak this SF crop is. He's a safe pick, but he shouldn't be a lottery pick. More like late 1st, but will go in the lottery because this class is so weak, maybe even top 5.
"That may be true, but at the moment, Vesely is a higher risk than Kawhi. Not saying Kawhi isn't a risk either, but Vesely is a higher risk.:"
What makes Vesely more of a risk than Leonard? Vesely can do all the same things Leonard can and can't do, but he's 6'11 240 and is still a great athlete. Leonard is a 6'7 combo forward. Vesely is a 6'11 240 combo forward. He poses a MUCH smaller risk than Leonard, who is both undersized and lacks a position.
The fact that he's from Euro is what makes him a risk.
That's a bad reason lol. A real bad reason. He's been extremely efficient and productive for the time he's been on the floor in Europe. You're not talking about a guy who's struggled playing effectively or staying on the floor in a Junior League like Biyombo, or a project big who fouls too much in Valanciunas. He's been efficient everywhere he's played. I have no doubts Vesely will produce as a rookie as a rotation player. Just because he's from Europe doesn't make him a risk because you haven't seen him play.
Kawhi Leonard making haters eat crow lol.
Dude is an absolute beast and has some crazy upside, every single game he's improving it's like watching a baby grow, pretty crazy. Looks like Shawn Marion Jr. out there, his offensive is already levels ahead of G. Wallace's when he was a rookie, and his rebounding is on par with a rookie Shawn Marion. He was mainly used as a defensive weapon in the beginning of the season but since the Spurs traded RJ and let Kawhi start he's just been tearing it up. One of the most conistent players on the team, he's just relentless out there.
Shooting 50% from the floor and 38% from 3, averaging 8.3 PPG, and 5.4 RPG and 1.4 SPG.
Already he's established himself as one of the best defenders in the NBA making guys like Joe Johnson, Jared Dudley (who has been on fire this month), Tyreke Evans, Kevin Durant x2, Rudy Gay x2 (He literally held Gay to 0 points in one meeting), Nowitzki, etc. look like crap.
2 year bump, as I said, he has crazy upside. Finals MVP, the sky is the limit for this guy.
When Gregg Popovich trades away one of his favorite players for a prospect, you better believe he's going to be good. This kid has a bright future.
You still think Vesely will be effective in the NBA? He hasn't done anything this year.
I like these bumps. Calling people out for stuff they said back in the day and seeing how things have panned out.
Man, no one was giving him any love on this thread.
I still think Vesely will develop into one hell of a commodity in the NBA. He just needs to adjust to the NBA style. Give him and year or two and we will see why he was draft that high.
Put Jan beside of Duncan,Gino, and TP instead of Wall,Crawford,Blatche, and McGee. Sometimes more goes into things besides ability to make impact.
I respect the decisions of guys like RC Buford, Pop, and Peter Holt so much, If they told me to choose Hasheem Thabeet over Anthony Davis, I would. That is how great of talent evaluators they are. They mined Manu out with pick #57, got Parker late in the first round, got Hill in the late first, smartly took a gamble on Blair and his ACL-less knees, and took a flier on a nomad like Gary Neal. I know it doesn't sound like much, but they really find talent from all corners of the world. And for all of us that think the RJ expeiment failed, think again, he was a knock down shooter, a lock down defender, and gave them double figures all two and a half years, and they played my Warriors into giving up a better player with a better contract(Yes Jack can still get it done). In 6 games thus far, he's shooting 50% from the field, scoring 10 a game in just 23 minutes, and people forget he averaged 18 a game just last year. Expect his role to expand quickly. He is the only guy outside of Manu and Parker that can create a shot for himself, and he already knows Coach Pop and is reenergized to be in a new situation. I love OKC, but if they slip up, don't be surprised if SAS sneaks up on them, but I still think the Spurs are locked into the two seed, and I like them over everyone except for Memphis, Denver, and OKC, Denver because of matchup problems, and the others are self explanatory.
I wouldn't call him a beast.....but he's a pretty damn good player...but I saw this coming when watching him in college, he has great attitude with a workmen type approach..which fits perfectly in pops system...
I'd say lets give people time before we call people out. His rookie season isn't even over yet! Its not like he hasn't done anything in 3 years or something
2 years later, finals MVP. As I said, this guy has crazy potential.
Spurs traded Hill for a finals MVP.
Lol, I love these kind of bumps. All the negatives I got because I said he was the best SF in his draft class and he was better than Jan Vesely.