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Kansas Vs. Duke

Andrew Wiggins vs. Jabari Parker. Let's get it on!


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This game will say alot, both

This game will say alot, both guys have gotta be pumped.

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The game everyone has been

The game everyone has been waiting for since the schedules came out.

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I am going to stick my neck

I am going to stick my neck out there and say that Parker will have the better day today....

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Tharpe

Tharpe looks awful right now

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Jahlil Okafor and Tyus Jones

Jahlil Okafor and Tyus Jones are now deciding between Duke and Kansas. Winner of this game gets both of them lol.

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Wayne Selden

Wayne Selden looks impressive so far. Nailed a 3 and threw a very nice bounce pass into the post.

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Is it me or does Parker look

Is it me or does Parker look considerably bigger than Wiggins? Of course Parker is around 20lbs heavier, but he looks an inch or two taller than Wiggins as well.

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Selden showing some great

Selden showing some great passing, shooting and finishing around the rim. He's also 6'5 and lefty. Let the Harden comparisons begin.

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Selden's actually right

Selden's actually right handed, so let the DWade comparisons begin..

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Man

I don't know why the website shut down or was it just for me but I must say Jabari Parker is a frickin beast.....and this is coming from someone from Illinois who watched him at Simeon he's never looked THIS good omg.

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Perry Ellis = Patrick

Perry Ellis = Patrick Patterson

Joel Embid is the next great center

Rasheed Sulimaon is a first round pick.

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Wiggins

had a QUIET double double 22 pts 10 reb

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close but

Wiggins had 22pts and 8 reb

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Jabari Parker is the real

Jabari Parker is the real deal.

It's only one game, but I wasn't impressed with Andrew Wiggins at all. Parker has so much more skill than him it's ridiculous. I'm buying the Carmelo Anthony comparisons.

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I agree! and we're going to

I agree! and we're going to get negged but Andrew Wiggins showed he's an AMAZING ATHLETE, but he scored like 6-8 of his 22 points in the half court setting. I just don't know if his athleticism is better than all of the skill that Jabari Parker posseses, and that's not even mentioning Julius Randle who's averaging 24 and 14 after his first 3 college games, and Wayne Selden looked great attacking at the end of the game. Had a very quiet 15 points, 8 rebounds, and 4 assists on 50% shooting.

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100% with you Indiana. What

100% with you Indiana.

What didn't impress me about Wiggins is that his athleticism doesn't seem "once in a generation" he just looks like another athlete. While Parker and Randle are clearly more skilled than him.

His stat line was good, but its not that hard to leak out and get uncontested dunks and lay-ins. He hit a huge stepback, but that was the only jumpshot he hit.

I'm just surprised he was considered a definite No.1 overall guy, with Parker and Randle lurking. I'd take either of the latter over Wiggins.

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I wouldn't say either guy

I wouldn't say either guy separated himself from the other. The top 3 in this class is insane though.

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Indiana

I'm one of the people who defends wiggins but I must say you're right......its not that Andrew did bad he just didn't stand out nor doing anything that shows he will be able to create his own shot consistently at the next level yet (has some of the tools, but a streaky jumper, shaky handles) but Jabari Parker looked like a man amongst boys....looked like a player that NOBODY on the college level is gonna be able to stop. I'm kinda buying the Paul Pierce comparisons but he's more athletic than he. I can see the Carmelo comparisons a bit too, he's quick, but not quite as quick as Melo yet.

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Wiggins

had 22 and 8 not quite a double double my bad......but watching the game you'd never know he had that many points

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I feel like I would have been

I feel like I would have been totally fine with Wiggins performance, if not this idea he was "Better than Randle and Parker" What exactly is he better at? Leaking out for dunks? Yes he's athletic, but it doesn't jump off the screen. At all.

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Two ends of the court, my

Two ends of the court, my man. Jabari completely failed on D, while Wiggins looked like a star.

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I liked Parker a lot. He was

I liked Parker a lot. He was a machine when it came to rebounding and putting the ball in the basket. He also showed a high basketball IQ and a willingness to pass. I did feel he tried to force his shot occasionally. Not much else to say other than the fact he was the reason Duke were in the game for as long as they were.

On the hand, there was Wiggins. Whilst he didn't play as well as Parker, I felt he proved himself in the second half. I was never on the Wiggins bandwagon and was looking forward to gloating after watching his first half, but he stepped up in the second period. He was active on the boards and although in the first half he used his athleticism to get buckets in the second we saw some genuine skill, like the step back jumper he got with a couple minutes remaining. I feel that the people on his bandwagon are overhyping him, but his haters are underrating him.

I didn't see Randle's game but looking at his stat line he looks like he had a good one, apart from the gut-wretching turnover total. If these three guys keep playing at a simlar rate to what they are currently any of the three would be worth the pick.

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I came away much more

I came away much more impressed with Jabari Parker. He has one my favorite jumpers Ever, it's an absolute beauty, that feet pump in mid air to gain perfect balance is something else. His arm strength is such that he can throw perfect rainbows, off the dribble, off the last tippy of his finger.

head at rim level dunk. athleticism.... Check.

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I think Wiggins just needs

I think Wiggins just needs some more time to develop his isolation/one on one game. He showed a couple of very quick spin moves off the dribble which i was impressed with. At the beginning of the second half he tried to come out and match the show parker was putting on. He bricked a three and i think he realized he didnt need to do that in order for kansas to win the game. the one time i saw parker go up for a shot with wiggins guarding him tho it was an airball turnaround jumper from about 8-10 feet away in the paint.

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What is scary is how polished

What is scary is how polished Randle and Parker are. They both have iso games already. They both can dominate on their own already. If Wiggins is going to be the No.1 overall pick over them, he needs to be more than an athletic dude who can dunk. He has to really show that improvement, because what Jabari and Randle are doing is no fluke.

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after all

With all that said its hard to get players of Randle and Parkers caliber to be able to play off the ball Randle. They both needed the ball for a substantial amount of time in there hands to score get 9 field goals Wiggins didn't need as many touches to get his 22 and that's not even considering that he played way less minutes than both of them.

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So what are you saying, that

So what are you saying, that Wiggins is the better complementary player?

And Parker doesn't need the ball to be effective. He can post up, hit spot up jumpers, pick n pop or cut (see back door lob) just fine. He's not a ball chaser.

I do question Randle's ability to be effective without the ball outside of crashing the glass.

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Do I have to keep reposting this?

Jabari SUCKED on D...He got completely torched by both Ellis and Wiggins. Wiggins, on the other hand, looked like a star on that side, great anticipation, quickness, and effort.

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yes

yes

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I also have to say since

I also have to say since watching Jabari Parker more and more, his lack of athleticism has been greatly exaggerated. He may not be the athlete that Wiggins, but he's not as bad as everyone has made him out to be..

Jump Shot so pure also... smh

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Good amount of overreaction

Good amount of overreaction to a single game in November. Don't get me wrong, Parker looks much more skilled, more involved, and somehow much bigger as well, but I'm not going to start killing Wiggins just yet. Baseline to baseline he's as fast as any wing in college and gets off the floor quicker than anyone I've seen in a while. He had no perimeter game today outside of one clutch jumper. He showed no play making for others, and that's what worries me most. Shabazz showed last year he could score with the best of them but never seemed to pass the ball. What distinguishes a good from great player is if they can make players around them better. Wiggins ball handling and perimeter game must evolve to allow him to create more.

Perry Ellis carried them in first half and has great hand and footwork around the basket.

Side note Dicky V had a good point that if they're going to continue to make all these hand checks they better should get 6 fouls per game.

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" Baseline to baseline he's

" Baseline to baseline he's as fast as any wing in college and gets off the floor quicker than anyone I've seen in a while."

A very nice way to phrase "He got most of his points on fastbreaks"

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Athleticism is the only thing

Athleticism is the only thing you can't teach. and I disagree about him not making his teammates better that assist he had to Traylor was a good sig of his ability to be a decent playmaker. I remember when Steph Curry was in college and he was considered a gunner and I had seen a segment with Bob Knight on Sportscenter where he was talking about why Steph Curry was the best passer in college basketball. everybody was looking at him like he was crazy. Coach Knight then broke down some footage of why he believed he was the best passser in the game and now Steph Curry is averaging like 9 assist per game.He said although he didn't rack up a bunch of assist there were certain types of passes that Curry made that were very fundementally sound an showed good judgement.

I've seen similar plays out of Wiggins. By the time Parker and Wiggins leave college who do you think will be better at knowing what type of pass to throw in the post? WHo do you think will be better at throwing the pass into the post? Wiggins currently is in kind of a restricted system but he's getting points within that system very efficiently i might add. Parker is more polished and skilled but he's already closer to his ceiling. Wiggins still has so much more to learn and there are already flashes of the abilities thats needed to be a great pro.

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Embiid

Oh yeah and forgot to mention that I think Embiid has a load of potential. Didnt have eye popping, but he changed a bunch of shots around the rim and he already has a strong build to go along with his seven foot length. He just looked so much bigger than everybody else on the court

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Now don't get me wrong

I still believe Andrew Wiggins will turn out to be a very good player at the next level one day. I see where the hype comes from which is why I've defended him. He actually had a GREAT game for a freshman. But it's becoming more and more apparent that the number one pick is in no way shape or form a LOCK.

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Agree, Embiid showed flashes

Agree, Embiid showed flashes of potential, but there's no way he is a top 5 pick this year. He's much too raw offensively at this point. Footwork needs work but that'll come. Hands seem to be decent enough but I don't think he's going to get enough opportunity this year to show he's worth a top 10 pick this year. I'd take WCS over him at this point, but it's early.

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Whats funny is Chad Ford had

Whats funny is Chad Ford had Embiid going over Jabari...I'm guessing he'll change that.

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Embiid is hot garbage. All

Embiid is hot garbage. All potential, no substance whatsoever.

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Jabari Parker is a Paul

Jabari Parker is a Paul Pierce clone who also looks big enough to play some stretch four. I wouldn't exactly call him a point forward but he can handle some, pass, and run the offense like Paul Pierce or a bigger power point player like Boris Diaw. He needs to get more toned and work on his explosiveness but he has a lot going for him.

Andrew Wiggins was solid all around but nothing blew me away. He got a few dunks by cherry picking and he bobbled that alley oop. He's good around the basket but I think he needs to work more on his perimeter skills. It looks like he projects better as a shooting guard than a small forward.

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the difference

Parker was absolutely amazing tonight. he scored every type of basket imaginanble. he had a great stroke on his jumper and displayed a nice handle and great rebounding. Very Impressive. I think scouts and NBA types are high on Wiggins because of his athleticsm, defensive of ability and his overall potential.

The game reminded me of watching Paul George against Melo or Lebron. When watching Melo or Lebron get baskets you feel them they'll get several in a row and they'll be made on great looking plays. But when Paul George plays he don't notice his baskets as much. But you look up at the score board and he has close to as many points as Lebron or Melo.

Wiggins is showing that he doesnt need the ball to score 20pts where as Parker is scoring close to the same amount of points but is very ball dominant. A player who can create his own shots is always good especially in late game situations.

Wiggins can learn how to do the things that Parker does that make Parker special but Parker can't do the things that Wiggins does that makes Wiggins special.

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I think everyone's really

I think everyone's really throwing Wiggins under the bus after what was honestly a very solid performance. Wiggins has shown that he rises to the challenge in the past, like when he went head to head against Randle and when he dropped 50 as an answer to all those "overrated" chants. I don't think he's being asked to dominate for this Kansas team. With Selden and Ellis, he just doesn't have to shoulder the offensive role.

We're all overreacting to a single game where Wiggins ended with 22 and 8 and got the W with two crucial baskets down the stretch. Yes, Parker looked impressive and stood out this game, but let's wait a little longer into the season before we say that Wiggins was all hype and that Parker should go ahead of him in the draft.

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I'm just annoyed by foul

I'm just annoyed by foul trouble Wiggins got into. He had to watch while Parker got hot in the late 1st half.

That said, Wiggins' defensive abilities are impressive. If he had been guarding Jabari the whole game we might have seen a different story.

Wiggins isn't a better player right now, nor was he supposed to be.

I can see this being another Barnes situation where the pendulum swings too far the other way and people start to sleep on Wiggins after a "bad start".

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To be honest, comparing

To be honest, comparing Jabari Parker to Carmelo Anthony kind of seems like selling him short. I think he can be a much better defender, passer, rebounder, and team-player than Carmelo.

Scoring-wise, sure, he has a ceiling of Carmelo Anthony. But his all-around game is what separates him, in my opinion.

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Jabari was pretty bad on D.

Jabari was pretty bad on D. You guys keep talking about Parker being so much more polished and closer to Wiggins than we all think, but the defense really widens the gap between he and Ender I mean Wiggins.

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Oh, I'm not saying Jabari is

Oh, I'm not saying Jabari is an excellent defender right now but I believe he has much more defensive potential than Carmelo ever had.

Plus, I don't know where this is coming from, I never compared Parker to Wiggins. Hell, I didn't even mention Wiggins.

I'm comparing Parker to his own potential.

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I don't see it. Parker was

I don't see it. Parker was getting lit up by NCAA bigs, I don't think he'll all of a sudden learn how to guard them effectively in the NBA and guarding the wing should be even more difficult.

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Parker can play both the sf

Parker can play both the sf and pf hes a freshmen but his big and quick and attempts to play defense he will get better.
Wiggins got half of his points off of fast break buckets and hustle play tip ins WHO CANT DO THAT. Parker was going off in the half court set and even bringing the ball up the court. WIggins is athlete with a high ceiling but PPL ACT AS IF PARKER ISNT GOING TO GET WAY BETTER. If he becomes a better shooter, dribbler , and defensive player which he will become because its about training will he not be as great as. I like them both but parker is the better player now and until wiggins surpasses him. Wiggins isn't going to get as many easy dunk opportunities in the nba he has a awesome go to spin move to floater but I played against some one with a even better one once you establish which way hes going to spin don't move let him spin into your chest hard he wont be going anywhere its proven. In the nba big body players are going to do this he has to get a better arsenal of moves because right now its hustle points,dunks , spin, and spot up 3s a high school grade skillset. As far as skill I like parker,smart,and randle over wiggins as I said I think wiggins wont go number 1 he doesn't have a better nba skillset then these guys but the draft is also based on ceiling we all know wiggins will be a very good player one day or has the make up to be .right now he isn't the best college player or the number 1 pick imo I love parker and smart.

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Most of Wiggins' buckets in

Most of Wiggins' buckets in the lane were because of his movement without the ball. Not every player can draw the attention he does in the half court and then completely lose their man for a wide open layup. His cuts to the hoop and movement without the ball were excellent last night. It's not just making layups. He hit two 3's the game before.

Parker is an awesome player, and that's fine if you like him more, but not anyone can do what Wiggins did last night, and if you think he's just making layups, then I don't think you watched him very closely. Should he take 6 or 7 three point shots when he can lose his man and get to the hoop at will? I don't think so, he earned a lot of those layups by his off ball movment and quickness. 22 points in 25 minutes, and everyone acts like what he did your average joe could step on the court and do, lol. WHO CANT get a foot over the rim on a second jump and tip in an offensive rebound? WHO CANT outrun an entire team and dunk home a shot to put the game away? WHO CANT force Jabari Parker to shoot an airball after being on fire the whole game? WHO CANT sky for a defensive rebound and make a great outlet pass? WHO CANT?

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WHO CANT CUT parker had a

WHO CANT CUT parker had a top 10 sports center play from cutting. In the nba you have to get thru howard,ibaka,hibbert,deandre,gortat , davis etc but before that you have to get by LeBron,kwhai ,paul george ,seflosha,corey brewer, barnes, josh smith, iggy, Dudley,mkg,harkless, . Is wiggins comfortable posting up against bigger sf because hes playing the sg right now parker is comfortable anywhere on the court. You have been taking up for wiggins since his first 15 or 16 point outing because he didn't look very number 1 ish. I stated he was an athlete did I or did I not I stated he has the upside did I or did I not but WHO CANT FAIL EXPECTATIONS ! Im speaking on now and the shot parker air balled was a bad shot period come on now. Your talking about lay ups, lays up and cuts aren't going to come as easy in the nba where theres nothing came by easily where vet rather hard foul before giving a easy lay up or hold on a cut . im not saying he should take all jumpers im saying parker minus the athletics can do everything wiggins did last nite and more as of now he more skilled point blank period and that's not my opinion that's what we all know.

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Again, That's fine if you

Again, That's fine if you like Parker, I do too, but Wiggins got it done last night whether you want to admit it or not, and nothing I've seen so far makes me the he won't adjust to a higher level of competition. Hell, he looked better against Duke than he did against a D2 school two weeks ago.

I take issue that you seem to think anyone could have done what he did last night, that's not true. Sure loosing Rodney Hood is less difficult than losing Jimmy Butler, but he's got a year to get better. Parker is gonna have adjustments too. Perry Ellis hung 24 on him, you think guarding Lebron or Melo isn't going to be an adjustment?

Theres a lot of ball left before June, and maybe Parker will go #1, but the concept that anyone can do what Wiggins does, isn't an accurate one. He's getting better on a game to game basis now, wait til Jan.

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