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I'll start out by saying i am not a Kansas fan, but Bill Self is the best coach in America. Every year it doesn't matter what players they lose or what kind of recruits they have coming in, they still stay on top. Sure he gets his fair share of 5 star players, but he also is the best in the business at developing players. Sometimes i think he doesn't get enough credit. The prime example currently is Ben McLemore. He was a 4 star player coming in, i believe ranked somewhere in the 50s. After a year of redshirting and practicing every day with the team, now he is projected to go #1 overall. Yes, maybe he was underated coming out of high school because the kid is an unbelievable talent, but Self and his staff deserve some credit too for helping this guy get where he is at. And the thing is he's only getting better. Also just thinking back, look what he did for the Morris twins, T-Rob, heck he even got Cole Aldrich in the league. Withey has came along nicely as well. I think if Xavier Henry should have stayed at least one more year at Kansas and i think he would be having a much better NBA career. I guess when your drafted in the lottery you can't really say the guy made a mistake, but he hasn't done crap in the league. His game was really pretty raw coming out, but i think one more year with Self would have done wonders. Thoughts?


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bo ryan IMO is up there too.

bo ryan IMO is up there too. they never get to the final four but i mean they always beat some top 25 teams and make the tourney and have a respected record and doing all of this with not exactly the greatest of players. also brad stevens from butler is great too but i agree bill self might be the best

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I agree, I am a Kansas fan,

I agree, I am a Kansas fan, and he can do everything Roy Williams couldn't when it came to coaching during down years. Bill Self can take a down team and get the absolute most out of them. Last year was a great example, sure Robinson and Withey came out of nowhere, but they had virtually no bench and went through UNC and Ohio State on their way to an NCAA Championship game appearance. They could win ugly games, in which they underachieved, and they could rise to the occasion. A lot of that is Self, the team believes in him and his system and despite the fact he's notoriously hard on guards, he always gets the most out of them.

Danny Manning deserves a lot of credit too, over the years, he's played a major part the development in their big men. I'm hoping they bring in Wayne Simien, who lives in Lawrence and is already involved with the team, to play a similar role with the team. Despite not having the prolific career Manning did, Simien was incredibly skilled and could help young guys come along as players.

I've heard Colangelo has serious interest in Self to take over for Coach K as the U.S.A. coach, but Self isn't sure he wants to do it. I really think he could coach at any level.

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To be fair, KU most likely

To be fair, KU most likely loses to UNC if Marshall wasn't hurt.

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No way of knowing. Doesn't

No way of knowing. Doesn't change the fact Self is a great coach.

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Self

In this day and age to win 8 regular season confrences titles in a row is crazy. With the amount of turnover in players you have to assume that there will be a down year in talent or that the team will not gel. He gets the most out of his players.

Whats different about Self I think is he has a real system and the focus is on defense. A lot of the elite elite players I don't think want to go into that system, they want offensive freedome, up and down tempo with little defensive responsability. They want to be the man.

I think Bmac is a very important player for KU in that if he goes very high it will show other top level 1-10 rated recruits that you can play in the system, WIN and still get drafted high.

I was upset when Roy left for Carolina but Self is the best in the biz now and the only one I want running KU!

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More blue chip prospects

More blue chip prospects should be looking to play for guys like him instead of going to the chic schools who have great recruiters and accumulate talent, but don't develop players as well.

If you want to get better as a player, you go to a team like Kansas, if you want the hype and marketing you go to Kentucky.
I think I'd be a little less annoyed by single teams hoarding blue chip talent if the recruits went to play for a coach like Self because I KNOW they'd come out of the program as better players.

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People complain about this

People complain about this way too much. If any team other then UK (and Duke) acquired the top recruiting class every year no one would care.

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For me it has nothing to do

For me it has nothing to do with the school, more so the coaching. Players should look to play under good teaching coaches so they can learn and improve as players as much as they can while they're there. As far as teaching the game, guys like Self, Coach K, Beilein, Matta and Pitino are the cream of the crop. More blue chippers should be looking to play for them, but they either don't recognize those coaches' talents, are swayed by other factors or their top priorities are elsewhere.

I just want to see really good prospects get better, be in a position to maximize their ability to learn and weed out all their bad habits before they hit the NBA.

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I suppose that's fair, but I

I suppose that's fair, but I think you are way too hard on Cal's ability as a coach. He might not be Self as a developer, but he's pretty good at his job too.

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I was friends with Kevin

I was friends with Kevin Young at LMU when he was not even the best player on a team that didn't win 10 games even in a confrence like the WCC, and now is starting PF on one of the best teams in the country. Self clearly knows what he's doing.

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K.Young

Speaking of Young his pick n roll defense is really really good. He can switch and not get beat off the dribble by quicker guards. Or he can hedge out and bottle the guard up and then recover. Kansas in general plays really good defense and Withey gets a lot of credit that is well deserved, but K.Young is just a really versatile defender.

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I think John Beilein has to

I think John Beilein has to be up there. Ive never seen a guy as good as he is at finding diamonds in the rough.
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2012: He got a commit from Glenn Robinson III when he was ranked in the 80s as a prospect and eventually GRIII shot up the board turned into a top 20 recruit and potential lottery pick. Also you have Stauskas who was the 76th ranked recruit this year and is one of the best freshman in the country period. You also look at guys like Albrecht and LeVert who look to be contributers in the future that didnt get much hype as recruits.

2011: They got Trey Burke who was ranked the 84th best prospect. Right out of the gate he proved to be massively underrated, winning Big ten co-freshman of the year with every ones darling Cody Zeller. Fast forward now and he is not only the best point guard but potentially the best player in the nation and a soon to be 1st round pick. You also have Max Belfield who was unranked and could be a solid rotation player in the future.

2010: They got Tim Hardaway jr who was ranked the 93rd best player in his class and immediately was a starter and key player for Michigan. He could potentially be a 1st round pick and is one of the best 2 guards in the nation. They also picked up a 2 star Horford who is a nice rotation player now.

2009: They get Darius Morris as a player who was outside the top 100. He changes the program around and leads them to an NCAA tournament. he unwisesly bolts for the nbadraft and gets taken in the 2nd round. You also have Jordan Morgan who was the 232nd ranked power forward in the nation and who has proven to be a good player for michigan over the course of his career.

Beileins body of work speaks for itself as he led a team that looked in terrible shape to the #1 ranked team in the nation in only a couple of years.

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Hopefully these last few

Hopefully these last few recruiting classes are a sign of things to come. Beilein's an excellent coach. He was always a good X's and O's guy and great teacher, but he never got top talent. Now he's getting top talent and showing even more flexibility and adaptability, catering his system to his talent.

People don't realize just how young this Michigan team is, yet he's got them executing like vets. They're the youngest team in the B1G and have 5 freshmen in their rotation.

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As an Illinois fan this thread praisiing Self hurts

But it's true he is probably the best coach out there.

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Ain't that the truth. What

Ain't that the truth. What could've been,,,

Not only is he a great teacher but he has the most highly decorated resume of the past 12+ yrs

-Nat'l title
-Has lead his team to 12 of the last 14 regular season conference championships. the other 2 yrs his team finished 2nd. Won 8 straight conference titles at 1 point.
-14 straight 23+ win seasons
-Winningest program of the past 6 yrs. 5 30 win seasons in the past 6.
-Has led his team to at least a 20-1 record to start 5 of his 10 yrs at kansas
-Has not lost back to back games at Kansas since the 2005-2006 season
-Has led 3 different schools to the elite 8

If you want to win and you want to get better as a player, you play for him.

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I really think Bill Self is

I really think Bill Self is the best in college basketball. I'm a Kentucky guy, but he's my favorite coach in all of sports. I've always liked Kansas for some reason...most people don't understand that since I'm for UK, but I've just always liked them as a team

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