share

Kahn Fired

Lafferty Daniel
Lafferty Daniel's picture
Registered User
Joined: 01/14/2013
Posts: 262
Points: 1222
Offline
Kahn Fired

After four seasons, an 89-223 record, and many terrible drafts, KAHN is finally fired.

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/04/26/saunders-likely-back-to-timberw...

Steve Aschburner thinks that Flip Saunders is in line to be the next pres of basketball operations for the Wolves.


TFC
TFC's picture
Registered User
Joined: 06/19/2011
Posts: 44
Points: 133
Offline
Better late than never. One

Better late than never.

One can only hope Bryan Colangelo is next...

mikeyvthedon
mikeyvthedon's picture
Registered User
Joined: 06/13/2008
Posts: 5599
Points: 13181
Offline
Now FireKahn can finally change his name to.....

FiredKahn.

When I did not see him at the Hoop Summit, knew something was probably up. Guessing that Minnesota still had some representatives, just was surprised not to see him there as he lived in Oregon for a while, used to write for the Oregonian and was there last year. Have to say, Wolves fans, about time. Need a new direction for sure.

Lafferty Daniel
Lafferty Daniel's picture
Registered User
Joined: 01/14/2013
Posts: 262
Points: 1222
Offline
Looks like someone here

Looks like someone here will need to change their username now.

omphalos
omphalos's picture
Registered User
Joined: 06/19/2010
Posts: 3206
Points: 4594
Offline
I feel bad for Kahn, he

I feel bad for Kahn, he actually did a good job surrounding Love with talent, but the team could just not stay healthy, I guess the owners just ran out of patience.

aaucoach
Registered User
Joined: 04/24/2013
Posts: 95
Points: 74
Offline
a good job of surrounding

a good job of surrounding love with talent?he drafted johnny flynn over steph curry,i believe he traded ty lawson to denver in that very same draft.he drafted wesley johnson at #4 the next year,for some odd reason drafted derrick williams at #2 the next year,and i believe gave up 2 picks in that 2012 draft.even stranger,he thought it a good idea to pay kirilenko 8 million.that guy has been horrible

NorthernLights666
NorthernLights666's picture
Registered User
Joined: 01/16/2009
Posts: 463
Points: 24
Offline
Kirilenko

Was actually precent decent last season, actually revitalized his career a little bit even.

boomdizzal
Registered User
Joined: 05/03/2009
Posts: 39
Points: 5
Offline
sums it up

u just needed to add signing brandon roy for 4.5 million knowing doctors told him he's almost out of knee cartilage. which basically is almost saying he will not have shock absorption in his knees

omphalos
omphalos's picture
Registered User
Joined: 06/19/2010
Posts: 3206
Points: 4594
Offline
Look, I KNOW he made mistakes

Look, I KNOW he made mistakes in the draft, but a lot of the moves were the consensus decisions at the time outside of his Rubio draft.

Wes Johnson was widely regarded as a top-5 pick (although I for one didn't see it, I couldn't believe how average he looked the first time I saw him play) and Williams was in competition for #1 last year, even if he has yet to pan out, he's got decent trade value and could be used to bring in a SG from a team with a surplus.

We know the things he did wrong, but he also brought in some good free agents outside of Roy.

Kirilenko, Shved, Ridnour, Barea and Budinger all suit this team and Love perfectly.

Rubio, Shved/Ridnour (depending on Adelman), Kirilenko, Love and Pekovic in the starting lineup, with Barea, Shved/Ridnour, Budinger, Williams and Stiemsma is a very solid 10-man rotation WHEN HEALTHY.

The team couldn't get on the floor together unfortunately, but that is hardly Kahn's fault is it? This team has everything it needed to be a playoff team except health.

Who else could he realistically have brought in without breaking the budget who would've been a legitimate upgrade?

NorthernLights666
NorthernLights666's picture
Registered User
Joined: 01/16/2009
Posts: 463
Points: 24
Offline
Kahn

Was brought in because he was cheap and promised to save Glen Taylor money. He had absolutely no basketball acumen, but thought he did and his FA signings and Draft Picks pre-Adelmans showed just that. Why do you think Tony Ronzone left? Because Kahn wouldn't take his recommendations. The two Drafts Ronzone scouted he wanted the Wolves to take Paul George and Enes Kanter. They ended up with Wes Johnson and Derrick Williams. One won't be in the NBA next season (Johnson) and the other plays the same position as the Wolves best player and has been in trade rumors since he was Drafted.

Look who they could've had:

Jonny Flynn could've been Steph Curry/Brandon Jennings/Ty Lawson/Demar Derozan
Wes Johnson could've been DeMarcus Cousins/Paul George/Greg Monroe/Gordon Hayward
Derrick Williams could've been Enes Kanter/Klay Thompson/Kawhi Leonard/Nikola Vucevic/Ken Faried/Jonas V.

I'm not even going to mention what they could've had instead of Wayne Ellington, Lazar Hayward, or the Draft Picks that brought them Martell Webster.

Who has been a worse GM, Colangelo, Grunfeld, Petrie, or Kahn?

TFC
TFC's picture
Registered User
Joined: 06/19/2011
Posts: 44
Points: 133
Offline
might be a little biased but

might be a little biased but I'll say Colangelo.

Wolves and Kings at least have assets and some financial flexibility. They have HOPE.

Toronto has $50,000,000 committed to Bargnani, Gay, Derozan and Fields in 2014/15, and no draft picks this year. Madness.

Snowta
Registered User
Joined: 04/06/2013
Posts: 179
Points: 549
Offline
None of the moves he made

None of the moves he made this past offseason were his own. He basically gave Adelman full control and just did what he told him...terrible GM couldn't be happier to see him gone

Tyrober
Tyrober's picture
Registered User
Joined: 06/16/2009
Posts: 2884
Points: 7806
Offline
Guy just couldn't draft well.

Guy just couldn't draft well. Rubio was an easy choice when he fell to 5, but then selected another PG in Flynn right after him. Then the horrible selection of Wes Johnson who just looked like a bust from day one. I can't blame him for picking Derrick Williams, but he certainly doesn't look like a #2 pick. Also have to remember he took Corey Brewer over Joakim Noah who some how slid all the way to #9.

NorthernLights666
NorthernLights666's picture
Registered User
Joined: 01/16/2009
Posts: 463
Points: 24
Offline
McFail

Kevin "McFail" McHale took Brewer over Noah.

baggin13
baggin13's picture
Registered User
Joined: 02/06/2012
Posts: 223
Points: 331
Offline
Agreed

Kahn drafted like your friends girlfriend who sits next to you durring the game and asks the same dumb questions over and over again, and tot to mention his poor handling of Kevin Love. I think Flip was the best option for the Wolves, he is a MN guy and can help smooth things over with Love.

Im excited to not have to watch Kahns smug interviews now. He always acted like he knew something no one else did, turns out that all he knew was how to screw up most of his draft picks (minus his golden ticket Rubio) and compare Darko to Divac.

RUDEBOY_
RUDEBOY_'s picture
Registered User
Joined: 04/10/2010
Posts: 7331
Points: 13181
Offline
(No subject)

Image Hosted by UploadHouse.com

CavFanPR
Registered User
Joined: 04/08/2013
Posts: 578
Points: -1243
Offline
About time! Everyone saying

About time! Everyone saying he's the worst gm in the history is exagerating a bit though. He got some solid players in the draft and if it wasn't for the insane amount of injuries, they would be in the playoffs.

220
220's picture
Registered User
Joined: 05/30/2012
Posts: 1191
Points: 2763
Offline
I'm too young to call him the

I'm too young to call him the worst GM in history, but I'd safely call him the worst GM in recent history.

GlenTaylorSucks
Registered User
Joined: 12/31/2009
Posts: 886
Points: 2345
Online
YES!!!!

Between this, and the Vikings absolutely cleaning up the first round...this has been the best 2 day stretch of being a Minnesota sports fan in a long-ass time. Lol, time for me to change my username. Any suggestions?

Turnip
Registered User
Joined: 06/10/2012
Posts: 137
Points: 162
Offline
WrathofKahn?

WrathofKahn?

Dleg99
Registered User
Joined: 04/14/2013
Posts: 36
Points: -4
Offline
I wouldnt say the worst

He saw the potential for love and traded him for oj on draft night, he also picked maybe a top 5 pg in like 3 or 5 years in rubio. but overall he has done a poor job. The derrick williams pick they probably should have traded that pick on draft night because derrick williams was going into a situation where he had two bigs who were going to play big time minutes. He also drafted like 3 pgs in the first round in 2009 but the only proven pg he drafted he traded to denver (Ty Lawson). But he relieved himself with getting Pekovic as a steal in the draft in the second round

benny15
Registered User
Joined: 06/24/2010
Posts: 606
Points: 564
Offline
wasnt kevin love drafted by

wasnt kevin love drafted by Kevn McHale?

Dr.Red
Registered User
Joined: 12/02/2008
Posts: 79
Points: 77
Offline
not drafted

McHale drafted Mayo and traded him right after the draft ended, along with Marko Jaric, Antoine Walker, and Greg Buckner to Memphis for Love, Mike Miller, Brian Cardinal, and Jason Collins. McHale also selected Pekovic in that draft. Kahn doesn't do good trades. He makes trades that send Corey Brewer and Kostas Koufos out for Anthony Randolph, Eddy Curry, a 2nd round pick and cash.

TallmanNYC
TallmanNYC's picture
Registered User
Joined: 05/04/2010
Posts: 2015
Points: 1132
Offline
Fired after his best year as

Fired after his best year as a GM, hysterical. Wolves would have made playoffs without the injuries. Team is nicely positioned to compete with no "busts" on long term contracts that I can think of (well Barea is overpaid, but it isn't too bad). I'm not a Kahn fan and they could do much better, but they could also do worse.

NorthernLights666
NorthernLights666's picture
Registered User
Joined: 01/16/2009
Posts: 463
Points: 24
Offline
Adelmans

The only reason this last offseason was his best was because one of Adelman's sons was running it, Kahn was the finance guy, but Adelman's son was the talent guy. He had no choice but to do what Adelman's son wanted him to do otherwise he would've been let go last offseason. Kahn had no idea what he was doing when it came to scouting players. He understood the salary cap and nothing else.

Memphis Madness
Registered User
Joined: 03/30/2011
Posts: 3374
Points: -952
Offline
He ended up with Kevin Love

He ended up with Kevin Love (in the OJ Mayo trade), Ricky Rubio, Pek, and Derrick Williams (who still has some potential).

He had some screw-ups. Should have kept Ty Lawson, but all teams make bad decisions. Look like they have a decent core if they can keep it together.

NorthernLights666
NorthernLights666's picture
Registered User
Joined: 01/16/2009
Posts: 463
Points: 24
Offline
Kahn

Love and Pekovic were acquired when McFail was still the GM.

Siggy
Registered User
Joined: 02/25/2012
Posts: 2926
Points: 5182
Offline
Kahn deserved to be fired

Kahn deserved to be fired more in previous yrs than this one. On paper, the Wolves aren't that bad currently. The B.Roy move was a bad gamble, but it was essentially a 1 yr deal since it's obvious he can't play anymore.

phila9012
Registered User
Joined: 07/08/2011
Posts: 936
Points: 2149
Offline
As a timberwolves fan I am

As a timberwolves fan I am required to comment on this. He messed up a lot of picks but still if they would have been able to stay healthy this year they would have made the playoffs. He basically failed 12 times and succeed 3 and those 3 wound up to be pretty decent (rubio, pekovic, kirlenko) (kevin Mchale did the kevin love trade so he gets the credit for that)

but those dont make up for all the terrible decisions he has made, like branden roy, the 4 point guard draft other than rubio, trading their second first round pick for more picks and then selling those. Paying darko 5 million a year, giving away wes johnson 2 years after he drafted him 4th overall. Getting almost nothing from the al jefferson trade. Bringing in kurt rambis and drafting flynn for his triangle offense. So yea, I am glad he is gone, he sucked just as bad as McHale, that is why they keep losing, and I am getting really tired of it.

NorthernLights666
NorthernLights666's picture
Registered User
Joined: 01/16/2009
Posts: 463
Points: 24
Offline
Adding some clarity

- He did draft Rubio, but that was a no-brainer after he fell to #5 and the Wolves were not going to compete that next year anyway

- McHale drafted Pekovic

- Adelman and Co. made the move to sign Kirilenko, Kahn just did the financials

- Drafting 4 PGs in a rich PG draft was brilliant, too bad he drafted Flynn over Curry and traded Lawson for a future pick that was used to acquire Martell Webster

- They sold their first rounders in 2011 to pay off Rambis because Taylor wouldn't put the money up to buy him out

- Wes Johnson will be out of the league next year so getting at least salary cap relief for him was probably the best he could do, the problem is he had to give up a future first because no one was willing to pay him $4M this least season

- Darko's signing had Rambis written all over it, this f'ing guy actually had the audacity to play him and Ryan Hollins over Love, big reason he'll never get a HC job again

- He drafted Flynn before he hired Rambis

- In regards to Jefferson, the guy just didn't have a whole lot of trade value because his salary was too high and he plays matador D. Plus, he couldn't co-exist defensively with Love. At the very least Kahn didn't have to take on any additional salary when he traded Jefferson and received two first round picks in the process.

- I'd actually take Kahn as a GM over McFail, McFail would let his scout team (Freddy Hoiberg) do all the scouting while he fished up at his cabin in northern MN and would come down for the Draft just to make a blind decision (Brewer/Foye)

Meditated States
Meditated States's picture
Registered User
Joined: 04/29/2009
Posts: 2807
Points: 587
Offline
He wasnt getting it done

Not the worst ever but he was given a fair chance. He failed.

Wetalkinboutpractice
Wetalkinboutpractice's picture
Registered User
Joined: 11/30/2012
Posts: 133
Points: 369
Offline
Haha why does everyone keep

Haha why does everyone keep saying Wes Johnson will be out of the league next season. I agree that that dude is awful, but someone will bring him on for the minimum as long as he doesn't believe he's still a "top 5 talent"

NorthernLights666
NorthernLights666's picture
Registered User
Joined: 01/16/2009
Posts: 463
Points: 24
Offline
Flynn

He'll be brought into camp on a non-guaranteed deal like Flynn did with Detroit and then be one the final cuts going into the season, the only things he was supposed to do well were shoot and he's never been able to consistently hit a shot, play good D with his length and athleticism, but he's too passive to D anyone up, and run the floor, but he can't create his own offense, the guy can't even straight line dribble, he may be in the League one more season, but after that he's off to Europe, or down under with his buddy Jonny Flynn. I don't know if he's ever thought of himself as a Top 5 pick by the lack of confidence he's consistently shown, at this point he's much more an athlete than a basketball player.

PaulCov
Registered User
Joined: 04/26/2013
Posts: 1
Points: 0
Offline
I think the Free Agent

I think the Free Agent signings have been good. Bringing in Shved, Kirilenko and even taking a risk on Roy were all wise choices.

I was one of the few that liked the drafting of Flynn & Rubio, but Kahn completely mishandled it. With Rubio abroad the first year, Flynn put up good numbers (13.5ppg, 4.4apg) and that offseason was the chance to sell high, by trading Flynn for a SG/SF. Imagine if he'd been really smart and put Lawson in the D-League for a season and then used him to back up Rubio after trading Flynn?

If he had no intention of trading the Flynn pick, then Curry would have made more sense, as it would have given a shooting presence at the 1 which Rubio lacks. Even at his worst, Curry would have been an awesome 6th man, though clearly he's developed into far more than that.

I can't fault the Williams pick, he was the clear number 2 pick and at the time, the plan seemed to be for Williams to play the 3 in a Marion role. Not sure it's Kahn's fault that Williams didn't develop.

Hopefully this year they can finally get a decent SG (McElmore would be nice, but Pope or Oladipo would be fine, even Goodwin would be decent given time to develop).

If they can keep the team together, having Shved & Williams heading up the 2nd unit would finally give them the depth they need to make a run (if they stay healthy!!)

McDunkin
McDunkin's picture
Registered User
Joined: 03/17/2010
Posts: 7374
Points: 27851
Offline
(No subject)

 photo 62c813d9-c9cc-41a7-afa7-84f119522912.jpg

Ang Puti Lalaki
Ang Puti Lalaki's picture
Registered User
Joined: 06/13/2008
Posts: 1118
Points: 1186
Offline
Kahn

I will miss him this draft. He was not very good. But he was entertaing.

808wizfan
808wizfan's picture
Registered User
Joined: 05/18/2010
Posts: 10
Points: 3
Offline
If Kahn is this bad...

What does that say of Ernie Grunfeld, whom Kahn fleeced for the #5 pick in 2009 (Rubio) in exchange for Mike Miller and Randy Foye.

Lafferty Daniel
Lafferty Daniel's picture
Registered User
Joined: 01/14/2013
Posts: 262
Points: 1222
Offline
Flip Saunders

Flip Saunders will takeover as the Wolves GM. There's a good chance that Adelman will return for next season. Good news for Minnesota fans.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/blogs/205846361.html

Mark Pion
Mark Pion's picture
Registered User
Joined: 03/16/2012
Posts: 75
Points: -284
Offline
Kahn

Hi there. David Kahn, as horrible a GM as he was, does a job that takes brains, toil, heart and soul that none of you or me is even close to understanding. Plain travel constantly alone must be hell, and times that by a million. We're all sharp at reading a stat sheet, scouting report and observing society, but the scene is meaner, more grizzled and tough and sharper. How else do you explain Kevin Pritchard getting another GM gig after taking Oden over Durant ?! Take care. Thanks.
Mark

Mark Pion
Mark Pion's picture
Registered User
Joined: 03/16/2012
Posts: 75
Points: -284
Offline
Kahn

Hi there. That said, MAN, DID HE SUCK!!!!!!(LOL). Take care. Thanks.
Mark

Mark Pion
Mark Pion's picture
Registered User
Joined: 03/16/2012
Posts: 75
Points: -284
Offline
Kahn and Pritchard

Hi there. You know what Kahn and Pritchard had in common, THEY BLEW GOATS!!!!!(LOL). If their wives were llamas, I wouldn't be surprised(LOL). Take care. Thanks.
Mark

RSS: Syndicate content