Kinda reminds me a bit of a Wayne Seldon,but 2.0. He is a 6'5ft long armed and left handed with a strong build. I do believe he is slightly taller now and has longer arms then Seldon. Great defender by all accounts with good court vision. He needs to work on his jumper, but it isn't broken. Shows a decent developing handle. Given time he could end up having the same defensive presence like a MKG or Wesley Mathews with his awareness and IQ. Offensively I can't say, he does lack quick blow by speed, and is a very good athlete not elite.
solid 4 year player
I don't think he's a four year player but I wouldn't exactly be shocked if he stayed a few years. I really like his game, probably my favorite player (in terms of liking them, not as like the #1 prospect) in the class. Probably going to be the glue-guy and defensive stopper on a loaded Duke team this year and a potential lottery pick when he comes out.
IMHO he is extremely underrated. I watched his AAU team several times which comprised of Kelly Oubre and Justin Jackson. Sometimes it really wasn't close that Winslow was the best player out there. Pains me that he is suiting up for the wrong shade of blue. He may send Amile Jefferson to the bench if Coach K decides to go small with Jones, Cook, Sulaimon, Winslow and Okafor.
They were a couple other top prospects also playing in those AAU games. Phyically and mentally was the most mature out of everyone. He isn't just a restrictive left handed finisher. He can finish with lay up's or dunk's with the off hand also, which I took notice of for a left handed player.
As far as Duke freshmen go, I am higher on Grayson Allen than I am on Winslow. I think Grayson Allen is going to be special.
I would be shocked if Allen got off the bench this year. This kid didn't start for his AAU team and always looked very reserved on the court. He is a freak athlete and a steller person by all accounts, but really should have been a lot more dominant with the tools he has. To me he is another Andre Dawkins which is a good player (AD was one of the most lethal 3 point shooters in the country his Sr year).
not every AAU team is as loaded in the back court as his team was. that has nothing to do with how good he was. his team was a well-balanced one with multiple guys averaging between 12-14 ppg. grayson was one of them.
he's not a freak athlete and he's not like dawkins either. unlike dawkins, he can defend and put it on the deck.
Outside of Berry and Russell, the team was loaded with mainly front court players. Allen was good off the bench, I will recognize that, but still left me personally thinking why he wasn't dominating more. Raw talent I think he has more potential than both Berry and Russell.
Dawkins was known as a good slasher in High School, a great leaper and freak athlete. Allen is a freak, make no mistake about it. I think he will be one of those players that makes you ask yourself how in the world he is not dominating more. I could be wrong as I recognize that the lightbulb could go off for him.
I see him as getting the short end of the stick his freshman year as I think Sulaimon, Cook, Matt Jones, Winslow, and possibly Olejeye get looks at the wing before he does.
they also had boubacar moungoro who was their starting SF and a preps to pros player already playing pro ball in spain at 19 y/o. with berry and russell in the fold in the backcourt, allen, who was more of a combo guard off the bench made sense. you're also missing the fact that allen didn't even start the season with that AAU team. he joined halfway through the season. no one player was dominant on that team. they didn't have to be. they were a very balanced team and they were the best team on the circuit.
allen has more raw talent than berry but i disagree with him having more talent than russell.
neither are freak athletes. dawkins was never a freak and he was never a slasher. he is and always has been a shooter. allen isn't a freak athlete either. his in-game athleticism does not match what he flashes in dunk contests. i don't see the similarity between allen and dawkins, like at all, other than the fact that they can catch and shoot, but dawkins was on a whole other level as a shooter.
i do agree that he'll be behind others his freshman year.
Dawkins is not a freak athlete. Thats evident is you watched him in college and stop ging by the HS hype.
Allen isn't a frea either.
i'm not sure how after you evaluate him as a player you come away thinking he's a 4 year player. he's athletic, with long arms and already has an nba ready build. he can guard multiple positions and he guards them very well. he has an all-around offensive skill set with good pace and iq to his game. he can handle pick-n-roll, is a solid playmaker. he even ran point for his AAU team. he has the strength to finish through contact. he has a nose for the ball off of the glass. he knows how to get easy buckets off of cuts. his shot needs improvement, but its not broken. he shoots a soft ball with good rotation and he takes good shots. he's the type player that GMs who know what they're looking at covet because he's not a liability on either end. he's athletic, strong, smart and is multi-dimensional on offense.
Long arms? He has a wingspan of 6"6.5" at 6"4. Thats barely average length.
i'm not sure where you're getting you're numbers at, but they're wrong. if you truly believe that number then i know you've never seen him play.
Those were his measurements at the Lebron James camp.
Numbers dont lie. He does not have long arms.
no they weren't. i suggest you look them up again before you further make yourself look like a jackass.
see that search function box up above? you should probably use that next time.
why are you commenting in this thread if you've never watched him play? because if you have you would have a general idea of his dimensions.
Graysen Allen reminds me of Nik Stauskas. Shooter, with some playmaking ability and some hops to throw down every now and then, but not very quick and explosive to blow by defenders. Them being kinda slow disallows them to dunk around and over people like players Wade and Westbrook do despite having similar verticals. Here's there draft combine numbers. Stauskas 35.5 inch vert, Westbrook 36.5, Wade 35 and I've heard rumors of graysen Allen's being close to 40 but at the combine it will probably be high 30s. Basically Allen and Stuaskas are slow dunkers and Westbrook and Wade are fast dunkers. Which is what I really thinks separates guys with just hops and guys that can dunk throw down in games.
All in all I think Allen with be Nik Stauskas 2.0 as a terms of being an NBA prospect, but Allen will take some more time because of the crowded back court at Duke with Tyus Jones 5 star recruit,returning player Quinn Cook and Rasheed Suliamon plus the addition of Winslow at SF. Won't get as much PT as he should this year, but next year as a sophomore I expect his game to blossom with expanded playing time and taking on a new role as one of the to to guys.