I'm not getting what the hype is about this kid. I have seen about 5 UCLA games and he has failed to stand out in any of them. I can barely tell he is on the court most of the time, there is no way he plays as well as Collison and in every game I have seen he has been the fourth best guard on the floor at best. I dont even see how he will be a special player next year when he has the rock to himself. Maybe some of you have seen more of him and can break him down a little better.
Holliday probly doesnt deserve alot of hype but he is a talented player and like any freshman in the pac 10 is having his fair share of struggles. He seems to have trouble against tougher competition and is certainly in the shadows of Shipp and Collison, but it will be interesting to see how he develops. I doubt he will be ready for the pros until after his junior season, but i remember watching recruitng tape of him and he has some sick highlights, he can become a great player in my opinion.
Jrue Holiday does all of the little things that most casual fans don't notice. I know that it seems like he is not very good but he guards the other team's best player every night and that is a tough thing to do for any freshman. On the offensive end of the court he is very unselfish and his skill set is very advanced. He attacks in straight lines, he has decent athleticism and his jumper passes the eye test. The only thing he lacks right now are consistency and confidence but those will come with age. Jrue Holiday is going to be a great player.
tru, i agree with your eval about Holliday but even with that your describing a smaller Trent Hassel at best. Gimme a good NBA comparison of this guy IYO.
Jrue Holliday is seen as a top prospect because he makes plays. everytime he has the ball he makes the right pass and he is extremly unselfish. if you compare his first year stats compared with collisions first year stats, it will blow you away. remember, collison was playing behind farmar, and now holliday is playing behind collision. give him a chance guys. I garantee you next year he will be a 15,5,5 player. just see. if you couldn't really compare him to anyone. what do you guys think?
I think he looks like a great decision making verson of Randy Foye. He needs to improve his jumper, but it looks promising to me. If he comes out, it would be tough to choose between him and Teague. I haven't heard any word on if he'll enter the draft or not, but if he enters, I'd say there would be no chance of him falling past 15.
Jrue Holliday is a good young player. But for people to say he wouldn't go lower than mid 1st round is comical, much less even be in the discussion for this years draft. I'm tired of people immediately expecting so much from these young players just cause they come in so highly touted. He did deserve the hype coming in, he was the HS player of the year. But people have to remember, these are still freshman. It is very rare you see freshman as talented as we've seen the past couple of years. Jrue's game is still developing and adjusting to the college level. He really needs to improve to his handle, cause many times he gets a little shaky with his dribble when guys put pressure on him. Improving his handle would also make his slashing game more effective as he would be able to break defenders down off the dribble. We must also see if he can be a guy that can take over full time as a starting pt guard, thats still up in the air right now. I pretty confident he'll be able to since he seems like a high i.q. guy. And sb13, Jrue doesn't play behind Collison, he starts right beside him at the 2, so of course his numbers would be better than Collison's as a freshman, who came off the bench. Anyway, you guys need to all relax and let these players gain experience and develop. Whats wrong with staying in school 3,4 years and becoming a better more nba ready player. Holliday needs to look no further than his all-american backcourt mate in Collison, who is poised to be a late lotto to early 20's pick who's just gotten better and mature with every year, he's really one of my fav players to watch.
I'll admit I've been pretty dissapointing watching Jrue Holiday this season as well, but he is only a freshamn and he happens to be playing and starting on a team filled with upperclassmen. As fans we have been spoiled the past few season with freshamn who cam in and dominated college basketball, but there is nothing wrong with players taking more time to develop. So while he isnt putting up great stats this year, I expect and hope that he stays until atleast his junior year because I can see him possibly developing into a player like Brandon Roy and if he really puts in the work possibly a less athletic Dwyane Wade.
I honestly can't think of who I would compare him to but I will say this. Since Ben Howland took over as the Coach for the UCLA Bruins, the several athletic skill players with solid skill sets (Think Luc Richard MBM, Jordan Farmar, Russell Westbrook) have all exceeded expectations in the pros. Ben Howland does not have a system that showcases offensive prowess. Because of this system, it is very hard to accurately compare these guys to anybody. What we do know is that Ben Howland builds players that play solid defense, work hard and play fundemental basketball. I truly think that everybody who thinks that Holiday will be a bust, will be very surprised at how good he turns out in the NBA.
I never understood why he was soooo hyped up. He doesnt do anything that good,except defend, and he is just more than decent in that too! I was expecting a super productive player for a squad that couldve used more contributors after they lost a couple of good players,but instead I got Jrue Holiday. Like my man said though,he could just be a product of the ucla system where defense and fundementals are at a premium. He still doesnt look like a offensive juggernaut so his numbers would probably be the same for another school in the top 25. He isnt that impressive to me, but there has to be some reason he was so hyped,so Im not giving up hope on him. But if he does somehow decide to declare, he would be making the mistake of his life.
I feel that once Collison and Ship leaves the offense will be his and he will have a better chance of getting the numbers and live up to the hype he had coming in his freshman year. Another guy that i think that needs more time to leave up to the hype is Demar Derozan people where comparing him the next Vince Carter but only averages about 10 points give him one more year i feel the he's a legit top 5 pick in 2010 but he needs that jump to get better.
a jrue holiday comparision is to a bigger jameer nelson or a more offensive eric snow
A lot of the comparisons I see from a lot of u guys seem crazy, some of u guys are underestimating Holiday's potential. Where spoiled by all these instant impact freshmen the past two drafts, that some of us are not allowing the big name high school players that are now college freshmens, to just be freshmens. I'ma go out on the limb and compare Holiday to Gary Payton. Their both 6'4, both Cali natives, both lockdown defenders, both are smooth patient players, both got crazy handles and nifty moves, and both have very good court vision. Another year playing at UCLA under Ben Howland, will be just what the doctored ordered for Holiday, he'll turn out to be a top 10 pick in 2010. Just Watch.
Finally someone agrees with me. Don is right i can see the Gary Payton compariosn but i still like my brandon roy comparison a bit better because i dont think holiday is gonna play the point in the pros. He's a combo guard who will start at the 2 but can do some spot duty playing the point
I love me some Holliday. He does all the little things that go unnoticed on the court. His basketball IQ is off the charts! He is one of those players that doesn't need to score 30 a game to dominate. He is an awesome player! Not ready for the this draft for sure, but is poised for a breakout year next season when more scoring responsibilities are his.
Jrue is quite similar to Delonte West in Athleticism, IQ, passing and ball handling skills, intangibles, leadership and defense. I think they both do the little things and can be trusted to make the right play for the team on either end of the floor. I don't see Holiday having as much of an impact as Gary Payton did at the next level, but he could be a very important piece for a contender and have a long NBA career.
Alright guys, I understand this kid does many things on the court but enough with this oh "he does all the little things" stuff. Come on man, doing the little things doesn't get you far in the league and in some cases not in the league at all. I can name many people that do "the little things" that are not in the league right now or not going to make it in the league. Look at the former Kansas guard Aaron Miles, a guy who did all the little things. His jumper, dribble drive game and explosiveness never reached an nba level. I'm not comparing their athleticism and size and skills, just mentioning him as a guy who supposedly did all the little things. Jrue's really just gonna have to gain experience and improve his skill set to be a guy that produces at a high level so scouts feel comfortable taking this guy high in whatever draft he comes out in.
I really hope this kid makes the right decision and goes back to school. He needs at least another year or two. He's not even the best guard on his team!
holliday will have a huge season next year, it's not easy playing on a veteran laden team that has had the type of success that UCLA has enjoyed recently. next year, he'll be able to run the show and demonstrate his vast talents. with his talent, he should be more assertive but he also impacts the game in a lot of subtle ways that underscore his high bball IQ which makes me even more optimistic for his future.