You know this site lacks credibility when it ranks Josh Akognon of CS Fullerton over Toney Douglas of Florida State.
Toney Douglas is a 6-2 PG who just won ACC Defensive Player of the Year honors and First Team All-ACC.
Josh Akognon is a 5-11 SG who averages 1.6 apg. for CS Fullerton in a weak conference.
Can somebody give me one good reason why Toney Douglas isn't projected in the second round ahead of someone like Josh Akognon?
Toney Douglas 6-2 200 PG
NBA comparison: Chauncey Billups
You don't have to be a high fly act to succeed at the position.
Thought we learned that lesson a long time ago.
I have a feeling this is going to be the year of undrafted and second round surprises...
Josh Akognon was asked to score wherever he went (Washington State and Fullerton) because he does it proficiently. That doesn't mean he can't play point guard. Josh has plenty of GREAT experience playing point guard, which would be playing in FIBA competition with Nigeria Senior Mens National Team against players from the NBA. That competition is on a different level than any college conference. He proved himself last year at his workouts in Sacramento and Oakland, with Sacramento highly debating him as a 2008 prospect. Big West doesn't compare to ACC, that is true but with that comes another fact. Josh isn't surrounded by ACC talent that can score well and often, he is rather surrounded by Big West talent that consists of JuCo and other university transfers. So Toney Douglas is good yes, maybe even great, but having Josh Akognon ranked ahead of him is because research was done through the right channels. When transferring from Washington State Josh had an offer to go to Miami, thats an ACC school, so the talent Josh has is well worth NBA.
Thats a tough comparison
He plays just like Chauncey. No difference. We know Toney can score 20.8 ppg. We know Toney can defend.
Put better scorers around him and Toney will average 6-7 assists in the NBA. Chauncey is a valid comparison. So what if draft comparisons are often exaggerations of best case scenarios. Example from last year: DeAndre Jordan. NBA comparison: Dwight Howard. Stuff like that.
First off, Toney is not 6,2...he is about 6,0 if that. Secondly, he doesn't possess good vision. Yes, he is an exceptional defender and yes he is a good scorer, but there are so many other better prospects out there. Still, with that said I think Toney should be a high 2nd rd/low 1st rd pick and he will be a solid 7th/8th man who can light it up once in a while...think eddie house
That is true of draft comparisons. However, I think a more accurate comparison would be Jameer Nelson. Douglas, like Nelson, is undersized but has great strength; has the same quickness and average explosiveness; has a scoring mentality at the PG position (and both excel at it); shoots it well from the outside; and is a more tenacious defender than Nelson. If he can improve himself as much as Nelson has, he could be just as successful. In reality, I see him as a very solid backup and could start on a few teams. I'd put him somewhere in the high 30s on draft night.
Toney's been listed at 6'1" and 6'2".
He's taller than Tyrese Rice who's listed as 6'0" that's for sure.
To claim Toney is just 6'0" would mean he's 5'11" w/o shoes.
I'd like to see his measurement w/o shoes before I believe he's shorter than 6'2" with shoes.
tony douglas will be a steal in late 1st round early 2nd. If lakers can get him somehow.... watch out... this guy can score and defend... remind me a lot of mario chalmers on the defensive end...not as good in the vision, but a great shot maker...most under-rated guard in the nation (opposite vaszquez - that guy sucks; so over-rated)... best guard in the ACC... this years draft will be intersting... there isn't that much of a difference between top 10 guys and top 40 guys... best prospect in this draft is brandon jennings... blake will not be a hall of hamer maybe a couple of all star games at the most
Toney would fit perfectly on the Lakers. The Lakers just need a PG who can defend and shoot.
Toney Douglas just demolished North Carolina today.
27 points (10-18 fg. 4-5 ft. 3-8 3-pt.fg) 4 rebounds 4 assists
Florida State 73 North Carolina 70
Toney did it again today vs. Duke.
28 points (10-19 fg. 4-5 ft. 4-8 3-pt. fg.)
Yes, the ACC Defensive Player of the Year can also score.
21.1 ppg. 4.0 rpg. 3.0 apg. 1.9 spg. 44% fg. 80% ft. 38% 3-pt. fg.
Solid, late 1st material.
6-2 200 PG.
Toney is the realest pg in the draft that wont get picked in the top 20. Toney i think will be a steady pro for years 2 come. consistnent all thru the career i think
Josh Akognon is on the same Portsmouth team as Aaron jackson
We will see who the better player is this week. My bet is Aaron Jackson who is a 6'4 true point guard not the 5'11 combo guard.....LOL he doesn't have a shot in the world to get drafted
Have you checked their stats??????
Your bet was on Aaron Jackson "who is a 6'4 true point guard not the 5'11 combo guard.....LOL he doesn't have a shot in the world to get drafted."
Now that is funny. Did you check out the stats? Not to worry I got them right here for you. Here are their averages for the tournament.
Josh: 9.3pts 1.7rebs 6.7asts 2to 1.3stls 25mins ***assist to turnover ratio 3.35asts to 1to***
Aaron: 8pts 4.3rebs 4asts 1.3to 0.3stls 26mins ***assist to turnover ratio 3.08asts to 1to***
Many people forget that Josh played in the Pac 10 for two years. In his second year at Washington State he led the team in scoring coming off the bench. Josh has shown that he belongs in NBA talks because he played against many present NBA players and did very well against them. He played against Adam Morrison, Aaron Aflalo, Brandon Roy, Nate Robinson, Jordam Farmer, and was also a teammate of Kyle Weaver. What else does he have to prove? He droped more than 20 points on the following big name programs, UCLA, Saint Mary's, LSU, Wake Forest, and USC...in a closed game against USC, he scored more than 30 points against OJ Mayo.
When in the PAC 10 he was named the pac 10 player of the week when he droped 27 points against a Brandon Roy lead Washinton Huskies...He dropped more than 30 points against a defensive minded Wisconsin with the shortest player on that team measuring more than 6ft 2ins. This was in an NCAA tournament!!!
Just because he played in a mid major school does not mean that he could not play in a major school. By the way, he was named the player of the year and made first team all district 9 with major players not even making the second team. Akognon belongs in the NBA and stop complaining about him not playing in a major school. Stephon Curry is also playing in a mid majority school but I don't hear many people complaining about him not playing in a mojor school. Akognon is a gammer and one of the quick triggers in basketball (college and Pro). By the way, CSFU is a division 1 school the last time I checked!!!!
Good to see Toney Douglas now ranked ahead of Josh Akognon, but thanks for the heads up on Josh.
I've since warmed up to Josh and think he has a chance to be an excellent pro PG in the NBA, since he has all the tools, except height, and has proven himself against big name competition.
Josh Akognon could be Aaron Brooks in the NBA...
...while in Toney Douglas I see Joe Dumars and Chauncey Billups.
cyclo, very happy to hear you warming up to Josh. He is out to prove himself to all the people who have not seen him play. Here are his stats for the 3 games he's played at the Portsmouth Invitational Tournament.
Game 1: 29mins 16pts 3rebs 6asts 3to
Game 2: 22mins 7pts 1reb 4asts 1to
Game 3: 23mins 5pts 1reb 10asts 2to
These stats are for all those who say Josh cannot play the point. Still ignorant? More games coming soon.