Ok i dont know about u guys but i can not imagine seeing jordan hill a top 5 pick! its ridiculous!! The best I can see him is like a 15-20 range in the 1st round. What do you guys think?
As everyone who posts here knows, 2009 is going to be one of those year where not a lot of stars emerge. That means a guy who puts up 18 ppg and 11 rpg is going to get a lot of love this year, even though guys like Greg Monroe have a lot more potential. After Blake Griffin, there's Hill, Monroe, Patterson, Lawal (if he declares), and Hansbrough. Hill's putting up better numbers than most of them, and at 6'10", there's no worry of him being undersized, like there is for Patterson and Hansbrough. He might not be worth a top 5 pick, but his production could get him there if he stays consistent.
Hill's a top ten pick no matter what year it is. He's got exactly what teams in the League looks for, he's a 4 with size, length, a good handle, and great athleticism (not elite) as well as a consistent face up mid range shot from fifteen feet. If he's drafted by a team that can fully utilize his potential there's no way he can't become a a pre-knee injury Amare Stoudemire. This guy's game is tailor made for pro ball. Space those defenders out, face your man, pump fake, drive to the hoop, and rip it down. Consistency of that fifteen footer in the League is really going to set things up for him well. He's got that real high release on his shot too. Just by how he's looked this year I can definitely see as a Top 5 pick. The real key to his draft positioning relies on his pre-draft measurements. He's gotta be at least 6'11" in shoes, hell, not only did he sharpen his skills, he might've grown this last summer too. It might just be his new attitude too, he looks really confident, it's nice to see this kid's realizing how good he is, and can be. If he continues to tighten that handle and develop a deeper range the sky's the limit for him. As of today he would be starting on any team in the NBA (PF or C - do they matter anymore?) not named the Utah Jazz, Atlanta Hawks - maybe, LA Lakers, Minnesota Wolves - maybe, New Orleans - if they are healthy, Philly 76ers - maybe, and of course the Phoenix Suns. Like I said he's top five material, but what might really boost his draft positioning will be his pre-draft measurements. I really want to see what his wingspan is, it looks to be in the 7'2"- 7'3" if not bigger, maybe up to 7'5". I also want to see what his vertical jump is flat-footer and on a step. I'm thinking 33" flat footed and 39" with a step. He's going to give Harden and Rubio, who I think is a long shot to enter, a serious run for their money. Monroe doesn't have a chance in hell to ever be as good as Hill.
a fine player. hHe has a thin frame but has great athleticism. He also has a great motor and intensity level now. Staying in school has really helped him in his development and has a chance to be a top 10 pick. Jordan will live up to it as well.
Ohh Nice points Blanco. I like Hill, He's got a nice touch from inside isnt shooting well from the line 63% right now but he does have a solid stroke from 15 in so youd think he'll improve on that. I think he'll measure 6'9 without shoes so that wont hurt him, or help him much for that matter. The real question is who will be the better pro Hill or Earl Clark
He wants to be Amare. He'd be great in Memphis next season. Dude puts up huge numbers.
Thanks Eprizzle14 for the ups on my comments. Comparing Clark to Hill doesn't make a lot of sense though. Clark will never play the 4, ever. He's strictly a 3, possibly a 2 if he ever fully develops his range, and even that seems like a stretch. His play has never really impressed me much, I think it's his lack of intensity that scares me. Believe me, he's as versatile a player as anybody else in this draft, and the combination of his size and skill set makes me and I'm sure a lot of GMs drool, but he's just not consistent enough to really say he's guaranteed to have a lot of success. Hill on the other hand has really shown that he's ready to dominate every time he's on the floor. His lack of strength is a little scary, but he's too aggressive to be pushed around, even in the League. If you've had a chance to watch a Arizona game this year you know what I'm talking about. This dude knows he's good, but I'm not sure if Clark has realized this yet, because he does have a lot of potential . If you just based drafting him on his size, length, quickness, and skill set he's got to be a top five pick, but he doesn't take games over like he should. Who else in College Basketball has the attributes he has, maybe Aminu, but he doesn't have that "feel" yet. As of right now, and depending who comes out, he's a top 15 pick, not a top 10, there's just too many questions regarding his game intensity. I think he's somewhere between Boris Diaw, Anthony Randolph, and Danny Granger. He's not an athletic freak like Josh Smith, but he's just short of being an elite athlete because of his length, much like KD. If he tunes his intensity up a notch and develops a more consistent shot the sky's the limit for him. Maybe somebody will take a flier on him and draft him in the top 10, but they better realize that there's going to be a lot of ups and downs with his intensity. He needs someone to bring the best out in him, maybe a player's coach like McHale. I think the Wolves would rather have a top notch PG like Jennings, Holiday, or Curry. They've got a scoring guard with less than stellar defense in Foye and I can't seem them taking another one in Teague.
Oh I definitly think Clark will play the 3 in National Basketball Association, I was just asking who people thought would be the better pro. I'm a West Coast guy so i watch the Pac-10 and I see Hill as a poormans Chris Bosh. To me Clark is the most intriguing guy in the draft, He's got athleticism and that coordination along with the NBA ready frame I think he'll be able to put on another 15 lbs without losing athleticism i.e. Lebron. I see him somewhere between an Al Thorton and Danny Granger. In my opinion Clark > Hill.
Pre injury Amare Stoudemire? That's a pretty bold comment. To me Blake Griffin is Amare pre injury. If Hill somehow develops the best midrange jumpshot for a PF in the game, then maybe he could be Amare POST injury. I'm talking offensively by the way. Defensively, it doesn't get worse than Amare, and I think Hill will be a very good defensive PF. All-in-all I like Hill, but the odds that he's going to be a great offensive player like Bosh or Amare doesn't look good. I haven't seen Hill play much this year, but considering he hasn't shot a single three in three years and he doesn't shoot a even decent free throw %, I can't imagine him developing a jumpshot like the ones Bosh and Amare rely heavily on. I think Monroe shows much better potential with his outside shot. I haven't seen him enough yet to say if he's as good of a prospect as Hill either, but considering he has a handle that Hill will never have, he looks much bigger than Hill and he shows better potential as a shooter, I think it's likely that Monroe will get drafted first among the two.
Also, I'm not a fan of Clark. If he were to measure in good and develop his jumpshot a little than I think he might be an effective 4, but I think he'd have to get way better at shooting to be good at the 3. Al Thorton and Granger were way better shooters at the same age, and if Thorton doesn't learn to knock down a 3 the Clippers can keep him cuz I don't want him. 50 TS% sucks for someone who does nothing but score.
cryingwolf, please don't comment on Jordan Hill or Greg Monroe if you've never watched them. You can tell you never have because Hill does have an excellent mid range jumper and a decent handle. I realize his free throw percentage isn't the greatest, but believe me, watch an Arizona game and you will see he's got a very consistent fifteen foot jump shot with a very high release as well as a huge wingspan and great athleticism (close to elite), much like Amare. Hill's got at least an inch or two in height on Blake Griffin as well as three or four inches in wingspan length. Hill isn't in the same strength class as Griffin, but his agressiveness allows him to absorb contact just as well. Just by you not realizing that Hill has a great mid range shot, as well as not watching Monroe (a Georgetown game is on every week!), and by the way you threw Hill's numbers right out, I'd imagine your another one of those fans on this site that just read box scores and stat lines and don't actually watch any games. Believe me on this, because I actually watch College Ball, Hill's a long, athletic freak PF with a quickly developing skill set and Monroe is a PF that wants to be a SF, but he's too slow and unathletic to fully play on the perimeter in the League (Lamar Odom comes to mind). He'll be a good player, but players of Hill's caliber are much more rare than Monroe. Stick to reading box scores and stat lines and stay away from commenting on anything you're not educated in.
I watch this dude come a long way... With that said its hard for me to see him as an all-star or a 'Go to guy'... He improved his game dramatically but is it enough to say Amare-esk? No... He does have a jumper tho. Him putting the ball on the floor or any type of post moves are a nightmare waiting to happen. Not saying he won't be able to do it (didn't see him improving this much) but after being a top 5 pick, 'will he still continue to improve' is the question. Right now, I see him as an Anderson Varejao with better range (Varejao is starting to hit ten feet out).
Greg Monroe... I like him real cool guy. See him damn near everyday. Solid 6'10 pushing 6'11. Plays somewhat effortless (ala B-Easy) but is like Rudy Gay in college. So much talent but deferring too much to teammates. Needs a nastiness to him. I watched him go head to head with Anthony Jones in Houston last year and he lost the battle(Anthony Jones at Baylor). He has improved that but for how long? Just for the Draft? Thats my main concern for him. You can't read too much into stat lines but stat lines tell you PRODUCTIVITY. If a player is producing night in and night out that's what being a superstar or an all-star is all about. Just food for thought......
I'm not sold Jordan Hill ever becomes a starter in the league. I see him as a high energy type player in the NBA. Chris Wilcox was a good comparison maybe a stronger Miki Moore....I like his energy and athleticism but to me he is just a high energy role playing big man. He is also a high risk high reward player because if you guys are right and he is half as good as you all expect him to be he will have vastly exceeded expectations and if he is any worse than I think he will be then he will have be a waste of a top 10 pick. With that being said he is not the same type of player Monroe is. Monroe is the better basketball player, has a higher basketball IQ and way more upside than Hill.
If this guy doesn't end up good, he could end up just like Mikki Moore.
That seems to be a waste for a potential top 5 pick.
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