John Wall vs. Ricky Rubio
As both players may be looking at a possible return date of mid-December, who has the better season, and what would you predict stat-wise? The Wiz dont really have anywhere to go but up, so I can imagine Wall getting big minutes and a heavy load of the offense in his return.The wolves, on the other hand, are surviving the injury bug and find themselves in the middle of the western conference. Kevin Love is back and besides his shooting stroke seems to be his normal self, so Rubio may be worked in at a slower pace than John Wall (also due to the significance of Rubio's injury vs. Wall's).
What do you think? Does Wall take the leap to truly elite PG, reaching 20-10 averages for the season? Does Rubio help take this team to the playoffs and become a perennial 10 APG guard?
Side Note: I am a Nuggets fan but love watching these T-wolves. The Clippers are one of the most exciting teams in the league, but I just marvel at Love rebounding the ball, his instincts and motor - are just something else. It was such a stark contrast in frontcourts last night, with the uber-athletic front court of the Clips versus the blue collar (for lack of a better word) frontcourt of the Wolves, it was awesome.
i'd take Rubio.... but Wall is a better choice i guess thanks to his massive potential.
I'm personally not a big fan of Wall while I think Rubio will be a top 10 PG and has potential to be top 5.
Both are good, very good players.... Wall is a better athlete, much better... he is better in one vs one.... both are poor shooters... neither the one nor the other have impressed me in defense ... on the other hand Rubio seems to have an higher basketball IQ, he can make his teammates better every game.... difficult to say... if Wall will develop a complete PG skill i go with him... But *today if i have to build a team Rubio may be the better choice.
Rubio defense is pretty good. He isn't the best athlete, but has good length, size and ball IQ on the defensive end too.
Rubio makes his teammates better, wall does not. Enough said
Not saying you are wrong but who has Rubio made better?
As big a hater as I have been of Rubio, it's quite obvious that he was the spark of last years team, and the reason that they went from about .500, to complete shit the moment he got hurt. He made everyone better, and his defense was a huge reason for their turnaround. Rubio is the most important player on the T-Wolves, and it's not close.
I would take him. He made last years MN squad look respectable, when alot of the guys on the team last year were for lack of better words not good. He was getting people open shots left and right, and finding seems for easy layups. He helped turn Pek into an option for MN, though Pek does deserve alot of the credit too. Once Rubio is ready to go and the new guys are use to palying with him(which won't be too long), watch out! They will make a push for one of the last playoff spots, and make someones first round a head ache, and maybe a stinning memory.
He has a presence on a team that is contagious, and everybody wants to play hard. John Wall is a sick player, and a freak athlete, but he doesn't have the same impact for a team. As of right now I would say Rubio can help a team win more then Wall can. But agian, I do think Wall is a great basketball player, and can improve a lot.
But so can Rubio
This is pretty much everything I was going to say, except you left out how excellent Rubio was last season defensively. Big fan of Wall, but Rubio has easily made more of an impact.
Before Rubio's ACL tear, I'd have taken him over Wall.
However, now I need to see how he returns. He's not going to be the same laterally.
I'm not as high as others on Wall, but you can't teach his size, speed, length and athleticism at his position. I know Wall put in a lot of work this summer. Hopefully, him sitting out and watching the game has improved his mental approach.
He doesn’t play above the rim and isn’t blindingly quick, so I don't think it will effect his game too much like other guards who's game are mainly based on their athleticism. Hopefully he works on the jumper and is able to get some more range with it.
I don't think an ACL tear really affects your ability to play above the rim. I don't even think it affects your north to south speed really.
I think it affects your movements and cutting side to side the most. It affects the way you change direction. Rubio's ability to go side to side and change direction wasn't elite, but very underrated. It's going to affect him, especially at the defensive end.
Rubio, he really impressed me last year before he got hurt. And I used to not think he was all that back in like 09 when he got drafted.
I'll take the PG who can actually run a halfcourt offense and think the game.
lol @ Siggy's backhanded slap to Wall.
Yeah its gotta be Rubio. Lets not forget that Rubio at 18 years old energized his olympic team to a close game with the US team. No shot, no vertical and he still gives teams all they can handle.
I could envision Rubio as a championship level PG in the NBA... I can't say the same about Wall. Like Siggy said, I'll take the PG who can run a halfcourt offense.
Sam Cassell has really been putting in work with Wall... On a mental level. Reports are that Wall and Cassell were present at a lot of the Grizzlies vs Clippers playoff games last season to watch Chris Paul and Mike Conley... Two of the best point guards at running a half-court offense and not turning the ball over.
Pace, not turning it over and running the half-court offense better are being stressed to Wall.
I want to see if that mental work translates to the court.
To be fair, John Wall has been playing on one of if not the worst teams since he's entered the league. While Rubio did improve Minnesota, he's playing next to an all-star in Kevin Love and being coached by Rick Adelmen who is a great coach, with an up temp system.
I would love to have either, but I would take Wall.
Rubio may not ever get 20ppg, but damn he can pass the ball like the bests. I also take the PG with higher IQ that makes his teammates better.
Lets not underrate Wall, he is better at everything than rubio except maybe court vision.
Why don't people see this.
Lets not underrate Rubio, he is better at court vision, there is no "maybe" about it. He is also a better defender, has a higher basketball IQ, and makes his teammates better.
ps. The "Long Range Sniper" Rubio shot 34% from 3 last year or in other words 27% better than Wall. So sadly Wall is a much worse 3 point shooter than the guy who's weakness is shooting.
Yeah let's not get carried away. Don't forget Rubio had the worst FG% in the NBA last season. Wall hardly attempts to shoot 3's, and a large portion of those are bailouts/contested because everyone on his team sucks. Rubio started hot from deep, and had a guy named Kevin Love that drew attention away and gave him open looks. So Rubio has probably a slight edge on 3 point shooting, and Wall's definitely a better midrange shooter.
Rubio shot 34% from mid-range last yr.
Wall shot 29% from there..
Away from the rim, Wall shot 27% from the floor.
Having watched both, I know I'd definitely take Wall as a midrange shooter. Rubio gets much better looks because he has a really good player on his team, Wall doesn't. And considering Wall shot like 6% higher overall then Rubio last year, I like that he settles for less jump shots and attacks the rim more.
Well you can take Wall in the mid-range, but the results say otherwise.
Of course Wall settled for less jump shots. He can't shoot.
The 'results' don't take situation into the context, so I'll stick with what I've seen. And you're missing the point, he can't shoot...but he knows that and attacks the rim. He's doing what he's supposed to do.
I was making the same point you were making: he can't shoot, not even from mid-range, so that's why he drives. He still didn't shoot better than Ricky from mid-range. It's not like the defense doesn't give him that shot either. He took 4.5 shots from mid-range compared to Ricky's < 3. They just back off of Wall and play him for the drive in the halfcourt. He could have that shot if he wants it, and he does take it. He just can't make it.
Wall is faster/more athletic than Rubio and more of a scorer. Those are his advantages over him
I dont understand how players of Rubio and Wall's caliber, who have played thousands of hours of basketball in their lifetime, can still not shoot a basketball. Its not like you need any god given ability or athleticism to shoot. Its all muscle memory and anyone in the world could become a good shooter if they practiced enough.
Lack of confidence is what has pretty much kept me from ever becoming a good in-game shooter, that could play a part in it.
SO most of you guy would take Rondo over Westbrook and Rose? Sort of the same question.