[GTS 23Participant]

Who will end up being the best player in 3-4 years from now? despite irving’s very strong rookie season and wall’s mediocre play, i’d go with john wall.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

I really want to say John Wall.

Physically and athletically, he’s a top level point-guard.  Skill-wise is another story.  I think he’s just stuck on a bad team with no high IQ players, hard-working veterens, or players that can teach him the ropes.  He’s on his own, I mean, for a while the 2 best players on his team were Andray Blatche and JaVale McGee, they have an IQ that when combined is equal to John Wall’s turnover average.

It’s a lot easier when you play with veterans that can show you the ropes and other skilled players to help you look and play better.  I don’t know about you but I believe playing with hard workers and high IQ players like Antawn Jamison, Anderson Varejao, and being coached by Byron Scott beats the hell out of playing with Andray Blatche, JaVale McGee, and coached by Flip Saunders and Randy Wittman.

[esperanzafleet69Participant]

john wall definately.. he finished very strong after nene came back.. its just the wizards are so bad.. not to mention the last game he played against kyrie he had 21 pts 7 reb 13ast and 7stls..
 

point being.. once the wiz get better it will be easier for wall to get assists and it’ll ease the scoring load..

[UNCbasketballbumParticipant]

 kyrie is so much more skilled than wall right now.  if wall can develop a consistent jump shot and learn to run a team better, he has more upside than kyrie with his athleticism and quickness.

[WolfRobParticipant]

 I think Kyrie is gonna be more successful, and win more games! Wall has the physical tools, but I give Kyrie the edge in terms of making his team better and overall point guard skill set. 

[WTF I’m BANNED]

KYRIE IRVING

 

[omphalosParticipant]

I’m rolling with Wall, his jumpshot is going to remain a weakness, but if he can find some dependable players around him and if the Wizards can sign more vets like Nene I can see Wall being similar to Rondo; a one-man fast break, with great hands defensively who is at his best when he’s creating for others.

The Wizards rely on him to be too much of a scorer, and while he has that capacity, he will succeed more as a distributor. Say what you want about Kyrie’s skillset, but Wall strikes me as having better PG instincts in terms of creating for others.

Should be an interesting rivalry though, would be great to see them play each other in a playoff series down the road.

Bit off topic, but I love that there are these great PG rivalries between players of similar ages and ability in the NBA right now; Rose and Westbrook, Irving and Wall, Williams and CP3. It’s just nice to see players being challenged, instead of just dominating their position with little resistance.

[Charlie SheenParticipant]

I think we found Kyrie Irving 

[For_Never_EverParticipant]

Kyrie Irving has all the tools right now. While the other people are assuming hoping he will put it all together.

[Anton123Participant]

 Wall is a great passer though, I think if he was on the Celtics right now instead of Rondo, he’d be getting 10+ apg

He’s actually similar to Rondo in a lot of ways

[topotamolderParticipant]

Wall is an average passer, most of his assists come from him driving to the hoop and passing the ball, he relies on his speed/athleticism to get the assits, not on his passing ability.

 

Rubio, Nash, Rondo… Those are good passers

[kdtriv01Participant]

The only reason people are even mentioning Irving in the same breath as Wall is that Irving can shoot better.  That is all he does better.  Wall rebounds better, is a better passer, better defensive player, more athletic.  If I’m looking for a PG, the main thing I look for is not scoring, but ball handling and passing ability.

[kdtriv01Participant]

The only reason people are even mentioning Irving in the same breath as Wall is that Irving can shoot better.  That is all he does better.  Wall rebounds better, is a better passer, better defensive player, more athletic.  If I’m looking for a PG, the main thing I look for is not scoring, but ball handling and passing ability.

[For_Never_EverParticipant]

From what I see John Wall handle is loose and at times sloppy.

[PulseGlazerParticipant]

Kyrie isn’t just a better shooter- he’s a damn near elite shooter right now.  He’s got a feel for the game that simply can’t be taught and Wall doesn’t get back those 2-years of lost development time where he essentially remained the same guy.  Feel for the game and decision making matter. Both can be All Stars, but I’ll take Kyrie.  Also, Wall may average more assists, but is prone to bad decisions and overdribbling – not issues Kyrie has – and, again, those count in terms of passing.  I HATED Kyrie coming out and was entirely wrong. 

[yaboymalParticipant]

Its simple, right now Kyrie is a better basketball player and John Wall is the better athlete. I don’t know about you guys but if im a coaching a point guard or playing with a point guard I would rather take the person that has advanced skills and a better feel for the game 9 times out of 10.  People get to caught up in athleticism and thinking somebody can develop or has a "higher ceiling" but the truth is someone like Kyrie has just as much promise as John Wall in years to come.

[nick5354Participant]

 Irvings handle is better than Wall’s. Kyries handle is nuts, he has the ball on a string. Irving is also quicker than you might think and I like his basketball IQ. Two things that stand out for me in a point guard not including assits – high basketball IQ and handle. Both go to Irving. Irving also has a better at the line and WAY better jumper. Wall only out rebounds him by 1. Why all this talk about having a crazy vertical or other attributes. Kyrie doesn’t need to dunk the ball, he has the ability to spin the ball of the rim time after time. Kyrie is smart and a winner. Also, Wall plays more than 7 mitunes a game more than Irving. So i would actually say the rebounding numbers are even and would be close to being even on the assist numbers as well. I can’t see how you can say it is not even close. Kyrie is the far better all round player and a work ethic that will make him a Star. 

[surveParticipant]

IMO both are going to be very good players….I just think that Wall is a little more unique and has a chance to be really special.  Kyrie is going to be a good player, but if I have to say which has the potential to stand with the greats one day, I go with John.

I know a lot of you guys dont think that Wall is special and you are entitled to your opinion, but for all the years I have been watching basketball, there have only been a select few PG’s who could rebound the ball AND start and finish the break with a high chance of getting the score on the other end, be it by themselves or with the assist.  This is something you cannot teach.  It usually comes with a combination of size and court vision.  Magic and Kidd were the best at doing this in my era.  Its when you dont have to wait for the big man to get the board and get it to you.

If the pieces fall in place, John Wall can be virtually uncontainable in the open court….like Magic and Kidd, both of whom incidentally were not known as great shooters, especially early in their careers….like Wall.

Kyrie will likely be a better scorer regardless, but as soon as he gets some good players around him, you can just about put it in the bank that Wall is going to get some assist titles. 

p.s. I notice that this is a pro-Kyrie thread because everyone that say Kyrie is getting plused, while everyone that says John is getting negged.

[PulseGlazerParticipant]

Surve- you can’t be more unique.

[surveParticipant]

 wouldnt have it any other way, lets just say conformity is not what I strive for 🙂

[truwizfan4evrParticipant]

 I think in next seasonJohn wall will be better Wizards alot better won there last 6 game and getting a top 5 pick. Hopfullly Beal i can see wall being an allstar soon Expecallly when rose hurt next season.

[BrxaParticipant]

Yes, Wall will be better once he gets better teammates.  Cos Irving looked so good playing with such all stars like Samardo Samuels, Semih Erden, Manny Harris and Anthony Parker’s corpse. 

 

What have you been smoking? Iwantsome….

[BA30Participant]

It probably isn’t fair for me to weigh in on this discussion, but I will anyway. Let me start of by saying that despite his below average shooting ability I do think that John Wall can be an exceptional player. I also do not believe it is fair to factor in statistics due to the different phases of development that these 2 players are along with team structures and supporting cast. 

Someone already mentioned this, but Kyrie’s handle may be one of the best I have ever seen. On the offensive end of the floor, this attribute wipes out a large amount of the athletic advantage that Wall has over Irving. You combine this with a passing game that is already very good (and improving), his ability to knock down shots from anywhere on the floor, excellent without the basketball, a very high basketball IQ and great court vision and you have a multi-time all-star. His greatest weakness is defensively. Wall can’t shoot from deep at all right now. That may improve, but every other aspect of Irving’s game will improve at a faster rate without the loss of his shooting ability. Mark Price was one of the best PGs of his era by using skill to cancel out his lack of athleticism and Irving will do the same.

[A.M.G.Participant]

Assists – Wall

Basketball IQ – Irving

Maturity – Irving

Size/Length – Wall

Athleticism – Wall

Defense – Wall

Jump-Shooting – Irving

Scoring – Irving

Durability – Wall

Potential – Wall

It’s really hard to say at this point in their careers. Both are still in the beginnings of their NBA careers, both are very recent first overall picks leading terrible, inexperienced, talent-deficient teams, both have a long way to go in terms of being legit All-Star level NBA point guards.

Still, I would go with Wall because his ceiling is much higher due to size, athleticism, quickness. A little bit of experience and maturity and he should fulfill that potential. He naturally has more defensive ability, and he doesn’t have the injury history that Irving has.

Could go either way. Wall might never mature or improve his BBall IQ enough to be an elite true PG. But at this point, where it’s clearly way too early to say, I would bet on the immature prospect with superstar potential over the mature prospect with solid starter/fringe all-star potential.

[A.M.G.Participant]

Actually, I’ll be honest, I haven’t seen Irving play as much as Wall, that might be influencing my analysis.

[draft2017Participant]

kyrie irving is more athletic then people think but next year will be a year where he has to prove himself because defences will game plan for him

[JNixonParticipant]

 Kyrie Irving will ultimately be better to me in the future because he has a better understanding and feel for the game that you want from a PG. Wall is too reliant on his speed, and while it is elite it will onyl get him so far. He’s too TO prone and inefficient to be better, unless he learns how to play at different speeds effectively and because a better basketball player than sprinter. Wall’s an above average PG because of his athleticism, but his IQ and feel for the game are lagging behind, not to mention his jumper. Irving is a smarter player who knows how to play the game at different paces, and he is a great shooter who is also a solid leader and floor general. Irving is the player I’d pick between the 2 if I was selecting a team for the future.

[WizardofOzParticipant]

 It’s tough, I’d rather have Wall. Wall is a much better passer at this stage and defender. Irving has a better hhandle and jumper though, but I’d rather have Wall.

[Sewok15Participant]

Kyrie is the better basketball player and John Wall is the better athlete. The one telling stat I would go with is W’s and after a couple seasons Wall couldn’t even lead his Wiz to a better record than Kyrie did with the Cavs. Going into this season I would have said Wall without a doubt but I didn’t think Irving was this good and Wall has been a bit of a dissapointment.

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