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John Wall, one of the............

Worst players in the league?

As I stated, I have seen no improvements in his game, his jumper has not improved(can't go by summer league pick up games) he still is tooooo out of control and doesn't know when to go or slow down.

But I never thought his numbers actually make him one on the worst players in the L!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/wizards/before-the-wizards-john-wall-can-lead-he-needs-to-work-on-his-game/2012/01/05/gIQAmD6gdP_story.html


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hahahaha

John Wall is a great player there's only like 3 teams who wouldn't trade their PG for him Chicago, Oklahoma City and Los Angeles(C)

He's also the fastest player in the league with the ball in his hands and can finish with his off hand better than most

Come on dude get real

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People keep blaming everyone

People keep blaming everyone for The Wizards sucking, but he is part of the reason as well.

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To answer your question....

To answer your question.... No

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I wouldnt trade any of these

I wouldnt trade any of these players for him

Rondo, Chris,Derom,Steph..

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how

This article forgot to put factors like Wall playing also with some of the most immature guys in the NBA... Blatche, Young, McGee among others...

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C'mon now by no means am I

C'mon now by no means am I saying he is one of the worst players in the L

BUT facts are facts the Wizards havent won a game, not all of it is Wall's fault but:

Wall hasn't improved.

Through his first 6 games last year Wall averaged 17.1 PPG 10 APG 4.3 RPG and 4.6 TO's Per game

This years first 6 games 13.8 PPG 7.1 APG 4.3 RPG and 3.6 TO's per game, field goal shooting is lower, 3 point shooting is lower on more attempts.

Facts are facts he hasn't improved at this point he has gotten worst, he has the exact same players around him, with the exception of Gilbert Arenas who played in 5 of the 6 games with Wall and possibly made it easier for Wall, but now Wall is the MAIN player and he is struggling.

I'm a Wall fan, not my favorite player, but everyone knows I like Wall, but he hasn't gotten any better.

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Flip should do the Christian

Flip should do the Christian thing and join Paul Westphal at the Unemployment Office.....

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No

He isn't even close to being one of the worst, stats or no stats. I can name a few players on my roster(lakers) that are much much worse. Is he overrated? maybe, yeah. Obviously by the amount of hate he is recieving on the internet he isn't rated as high as he once was. The reality is he is still a kid. His game and maturity need to and will improve with time, he isn't even close to his potential. He can't even visualize his potential because he has soo many deficiencies, but if he works as hard as he plays he should be fine in a few years.

I hope he can get outta washington or at least get better personnel to mentor him. Who is the veteran leader on that team? Rashard? He robbed the NBA blind, he can't make for a leader. Point is Wall has nobody to look up to as a professional. Sam Cassell is on the bench but Sam played an old mans game for most of his career, he probably can't relate to the speeds wall reaches because Sam played two speed Slow and Slower.

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One of the worst player in

One of the worst player in the league really.

Have you seen the rest of the Wizards roster.

He was just hyped up in high school and college give him some time sophomore year just started.

With talent like it'd be stupid to give up on him.

Also Steph Curry really he averages 6 asts and 3 to's a game not exactly Rondo or Nash out there passing the ball.

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I dont think Wall is

I dont think Wall is overated. I dont really think he has gotten worse either. I think his style of play needs refinement. It can be pretty wreckless and that could be problematic to a degree on a good team, but on the Wizards, it magnifies it even more. Roster needs an overhaul. With the style of play Wall has, I'd bet you would see a difference if only slight if he had a guy like Trevor Ariza.

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He had a good game last

He had a good game last night... 22 points 9 asists,he could play like that every game and better if his teammates play smarter..

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He is not the worst not even close.

He needs to slow down though. He needs to watch more tape on guys like Rondo,Paul,Nash and figure out how to run an offense. I don't think he has the personality to get across to this team. I feel bad for him cause he plays with volume shooters who like to jack and not play D. He will finish out his deal there and leave or Washington will see him leaving on the Wall and have to deal. That is how all this ends. After it ends that way we will more than likely see a better more effective Wall on another team in another city.

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sorry

to say but i think jwall is overated. before the season starts, many people says that he is about to be an all-star, better than rose ceiling, washington making playoffs etc. i dont think he is any better than many more PG's at all. he's athletic and maybe thats about it.. plus the hype of being the number 1 pick, but as far as ive seen hes not much of a special player that can win games regardless of reasons such as bad teamates. even if they lose, he should have better stats. ofc he is not the worst, but clearly overrated

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As stated playing with a

As stated playing with a powerhouse team in college like kentucky doesn't benefit you.In the last years of the nba alot of Cal's big name players struggled to win in the nba the small name players that went to the NBA struggled for playing time.Rose is the only one who won out the gate but he is one of the great ones the dribble drive system helped build his stock but im sure he would have done good any college.

Wall will grow into a better lead gaurd once he slows down and plays to win ,He has to stop playing for highlights how many times have we seen Wall count only on his speed to make something happen or try to be fancy instead of simple.With age and loss comes experience.

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He played pretty well last

He played pretty well last night, even though I agree I haven't seen much improvement. He was basically scoring all his points playing 1-on-5 fastbreak ball. He can be great in that area, but that's not always going to work, and he's nlot going to remain healthy if he keeps on playing that way. But one of the worst players in the league? C'mon now.

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i wouldnt go that far as hes

i wouldnt go that far as hes one of the worst players in the league but he is goin through a crazy soph slump but i think its due to the fact he didnt really work on his game this off season he played in nothing but summer leagues against players not playing any defense, he needs to stop taking jumpshots and develop a reliable floater and he needs to slow down and let the game come to him hes looking like a big brandon jennings with his shot selection

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I agreed, I said Wall isn't

I agreed, I said Wall isn't one of the WORST players in the league, but regardless if the players around him suck or not, fact of the matter is WALL himself didn't get any better, just because the players on his team suck or whatever doesn't mean, he cant knock down a jumper, or know when to play full throttle or not, thats a poor excuse, his game didn't get any better, from the jumper to the loose handle, John Wall is still the same player from 2010-11.

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Yeah I mean John Wall is

Yeah I mean John Wall is obviously not one of the worse players in the league but when it comes to players who are the face of their franchise, JOHN WALL RIGHT NOW IS ONE OF THE WORSE FRANCHISE PLAYERS IN THE LEAGUE. I know this is only his second year but dude still plays like its the AAU. Kyrie Irving who barely even played in college has already proven that he knows how to RUN A TEAM AND PLAY WINNING BASKETBALL. There's a difference between being a freak talent and knowing how to win games for your teams.

People were talking about him being an All Star this year and an MVP candidate next year but facts are Kyrie Irving may eventually turn out to be the better player. Everytime the Wizards face the Sixers Jrue Holiday thoroughly outplays John Wall. The Wizards all filled with immature players but they aren't filled with bad players, they have talents like McGee, Blatche, Nick Young, Rashard Lewis, Chris Singleton, Trevor Booker, Crawford, like all of those guys can play and when your the leader of your franchise it's up to you to bring them together and get everybody on the same page and he hasn't show to ability to do that. Not to mention he hasn't taken a single step forward this year and his jump shot still looks terrible.

Wall is still an amazing talent but let's simmer the hype on him for now til he can start proving to us he knows how to win games. Chris Paul completely changed the culture of the Hornets when they drafted him. Kyrie Irving is doing that now. It only took Rose 3 years to become MVP. Wall has a ton of catching up to do and that's with this era. John Wall will never be the player Allen Iverson was and I'm only saying this cuz so many people compare them and for that fact he's not even close to Stephon Marbury or Steve Francis at the same age of development.

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you guys are taking these

you guys are taking these seven games of the season like its written in stone...

people... its still very early in the season... calm down...

i remember when derrick rose started out his second season slow...

he ended up getting 20 a game that yr...

john wall will turn it around... a lot of u guys are getting really ahead of urselves...

it also doesnt help that hes playing with chuckers like crawford and young.... and playing for flip saunders

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Funny how he went from a

Funny how he went from a future Allstar to overrated in a years time 'sigh' smh at bandwagon fans

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Nah

That team is one of the most dysfunctional teams I've ever seen. Blatche is a guy that's lucky to even be making money given his obnoxious, worse-than-DMC's-attitude, McGee's complete inability to do anything other than block 2 shots a game and dunk some, Young's ability to put up 25 stupid shots a game, Flip's lost ability to maintain any sense of control...I could go on. Give Wall some time. The Wiz need to get rid of their knuckleheads before we can truly judge Wall.

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and then by the end of the

and then by the end of the year people will be supporting him again. I remember when Rose started playing average in college and people thought his draft stock may take a hit and then at the mid way point to the NCAA tourney, he went on a tear.

John Wall will bounce back but he is not in the best of situations and his teammates and coach are not really that good.

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^ thank you, exactly... hes

^ thank you, exactly...

hes off to a slow start... its seven games...

once he gets into a hot streak whenever, i want to see what there gnna say after that

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During the league hype, I got 23 Neg on this.

Posted on: Mon, 12/12/2011 - 7:38pm

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He scores

He scores but I dont see him assisting much even less than Rose he lacks true passing skills. He kills it though in the scoring department.



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Scottoant93 who isnt on the Bandwagon taught me a lesson.

As for john wall this season i expect him to avg atleast 20ppg 8+assist(maybe double figures early on,but it will go down as season goes on)

nah the only reason people gave you a neg is because you made an invalid arguement that makes no sense, i will galdy give you a point if you want but it still dont make it valid.

He scores but I dont see him assisting much even less than Rose he lacks true passing skills. He kills it though in the scoring department.

Derrick Rose assists career 6.7 high 7.7assists(this season)

John wall rookie season 8.3 assists

now is wall a better player then rose. No

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SMALL SAMPLE SIZE Comparing a

SMALL SAMPLE SIZE

Comparing a guy's stats over 6 games from year-to-year is pointless.

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Ok. So he's had a bad start

Ok. So he's had a bad start to his sophmore season. He's 21. Cut him some slack. I think we can all agree that he's not a superstar yet.

I still think Wall's ceiling is higher than where Rose is right now. (Rose's ceiling is obviously higher too).

As usual, people look at point totals and neglect the other things a player brings to the game. Wall clearly can be an elite defender in the league.. that alone immediately makes him a better prospect than many of the established stars in the league.

Try to name the players under the age of 25 who you'd rather build your franchise around.... it's a really short list.

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Youngdave with..................one of the worst posts in 2012

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Now people want to cut him

Now people want to cut him slack, lol it was widely put out there on this board he would be MVP canidate, top 3 PG maybe even top 2, he would take the Wizards to the playoffs, he was going to dominate now, because his jumper looked very good at some Las Vegas summer league games.

Now he is struggling terribly and people want to cut him slack. Bulllllllllll, I, along with very few people clearly said dont judge everything off a summer league or pick up games, but people were hell bent on saying he is going to be better than what Westbrook was his 2nd year, match Derrick Rose his second year, because he had a better Rookie campaign than him, and now Wall cant even play better than HIS OWN first year.

Cut the crap, bad teammates or not, they dont decide whether that jumper he takes goes in or not, his confidence and work ethic decides that, his teammates don't decide whether he play wreckless and out of control and 100MPH the entire game, his low IQ determines that, when he looses the ball, or doesn't have a strong enough counter move, and struggles to get to the rim in half court situations, his teammates determine that too huh? Nah he probably thinks he's fast and quick enough so he doesn't have to work on it, which has to be the case because his handle looks the exact same as it did in HS, and he still has the same repertoire, and if i'm lying go look at some HS highlights and tell me different.

John Wall just hasn't improved, and right now he is between 8-11 top PG's in the league and could be slipping because Kyrie Irving Ricky Rubio,Kyle Lowry,Ty Lawson are coming on very strong.

He's nowhere near a top 3 PG, and UNTIL he sharpens his IQ, knock down that jumper, and work on that handle.

I know i'm right, the article may have been over blown calling him one of the WORST players in the L, but he hasn't improved, and isn't in the same breath as Rose,Westbrook,Paul,Williams or Rondo.

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Just because somebody has the

Just because somebody has the tools to be an elite defender doesn't mean they will even become a good defender, Rose is a great example of that. Wall makes a lot of bonehead plays himself and gambles way to much on defense. Yes he does hustle but he hustles so much because most of the time he is out of position. My biggest concern with Wall is he just hasn't shown yet he knows how to win games. He has a terrible shot selection and turns the ball over way too much. Wall is so gifted athletically and with the ball in his hands that he's nearly unstoppable when he wants to get to the basket but he doesn't do it enough. He should be getting to the foul line nearly ten times a game but he doesn't in fact he's only been to the foul line 4 times each of the last 3 games. That number must improve. Iverson was so dominate out of the gate and for his career because he kept coming. He never took a play off, he knew nobody could guard him therefore he got into the lane whenever he wanted too and drew contact. Wall needs to do the same he needs to attack, attack, attack.

And McGee is getting way to much negativity yeah he's a douchebag, but the dude can ball, he has improved every year he's been in the league, has put on a considerable amount of muscle during the lockout, and plays hard. Yes McGee does play hard. He is averaging 12.6 ppg, 10rpg, 1 stp, and 3 bpg through the first 7 games, and besides Wall and Singleton he is one of the few bright spots on the team. McGee might already be one of the best defensive centers, he's one of the best rebounding and shot blocking bigs in the league, and his offense is coming along nicely he's actually showing some post moves and aggressiveness this year. Yeah he's a black holes tho and still has a low BB IQ but atleast he plays hard.

Nick Young's main problem is that he doesn't defend but on offense he helps Wall considerable with his shot making ability and low turnover rate. Young also runs the floor and is great in transition.

Rashard Lewis needs to just retire cuz Chris Singleton is better then him right now.

My main point is that Wall got a ton of talen around him, yeah they are idiots, but what makes great PG"s is getting the best out of the players around him. My beef is that he hasn't done that yet, he seems more concerned with just getting his. I'm not saying he don't want to win, I'm saying he don't know how to yet. He has a longs way to go still. And people were calling him a superstar coming into this season this was suppose to be his coming out party.

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@Mr. 19134 +1 on McGee. I

@Mr. 19134

+1 on McGee. I don't get all the McGee hate. He's been the Wizards best player so far IMO, and has improved at every facet oif the game.

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That's part of my beef as

That's part of my beef as well, if your supposed to be that ELITE why cant you get a WIN??

I have nothing against Wall but the facts are facts.

Look at Deron Williams in NJ, he is in a terrible situation but he is ELITE and a leader and they have won 2 games at least.

Wall is not all the blame for Washington, but he is part of it, he needs to improve his game and then people can go from there.

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He isn't the worst player in

He isn't the worst player in the league. But I will go ahead and say that because of his athleticism people tend to overrate him. He isn't a great decision maker, plays out of control a lot. Never has had much of a jumpshot.. And even with a lot of work I don't see it improving unlike Rose has been able to do.. He will mature and his decision making will get better in time.. I would hope... But he has to make those changes or he will fall out of favor... Athleticism can go only so far... The only reason teams would trade for wall is for what he has the potential to become great. He likely will be very good. But he has to put some work in. Becoming a leader for his immature team would also help too..

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The improvement of Westbrook

The improvement of Westbrook and Rose from their second seasons is overrated. Wall in his rookie season was arguably better than Westbrook in his second season. Rose in his second season didn't really improve his midrange jumpshot, it was already elite form his rookie season. His PPG total went up becuase he was taking more shots. His asssists went down and TO's went up.

Really it was the third year where these guys broke out. So if Wall shows at least some improvement on the court and stats wise form his rookie season then he will be right there with those guys.Maybe better.

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Maybe

If Ian Mahinmi isn't on a roster...

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No the improvement of Rose

No the improvement of Rose and Westbrook improving from their first year to second year is not overrated their stats might not have jumped all the way up til their 3rd year, but with their improvement their second year their teams improved as well thanks to their improvement.

Stats are not everything all the time. And thou Rose's bulls did not improve record wise, they improved chemistry wise because that next year they made it farther than the previous year.

Wall has declined and his team has not won a game.

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I think people need to

I think people need to remember Wall is coming off a lockout, with little to no training camp. Yes, Wall hasn't played particularly well individually, but the Wizards inability to win games can be put down to a lack of opportunity for Saunders to really implement a coaching philosophy with this current group.

That said, Saunders is a terrible coach, and I want him out and replaced with Mike Woodson, who has experience getting young, talented teams to win.

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Washington is a mess at the

Washington is a mess at the moment and I do wonder how much longer Coach Saunders can go on with the team being 0-7. Wall does play at a high speed but needs to slow down on occasion as often his body is thinking ahead of his brain and as he learns to look for openings he'll still have that explosive burst in him but can look to make the perecentage plays more. The fact that he has perhaps one of the worst supporting cast in the NBA doesn't help but the moves that their GM Ernie Grunfeld can make are limited due to not a lot of teams wanting much from the Washington apart from the younger players they want to keep.

Rashard Lewis will be tradeable next year and as they are well under cap to amnesty him next year will not make too much sense as his huge final year contract could be a nice trading piece. A point to note is next year Blatche's remaining 3 years will be roughly the same value of Lewis's last year so could problem child Blatche perhaps be amnestied instead.

The Wizards could perhaps look to do what Cleveland did last year and take on a salary dump to try and get extra picks in the future. They must not do anything rash and need to hang onto all their own picks.

If Coach Saunders does go then Mike Woodson maybe deserves a shot at another top job or if you want to bring in a veteran how about Larry Brown whose teams always played a slower tempo and who might be the man to make Wall play a more restrained game. Or if you wanted the best of both worlds maybe Woodson as Head Coach with Brown as a special advisor or even as an Assistant if he would be happy with that role or Brown as a shorter team Head Coach with Woodson as the senior assistant with the promise that he'll get the top job when Brown moves on/retires.

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dude would be a sophomore in

dude would be a sophomore in college right now, set rookie records last year and wouldve been ROY if it wasnt for an injured Blake Griffin, and you guys are saying hes a bust????

WOW.

look at his team...worst in the NBA by far...not enough talent, too many hot-shots with a bad coach...

Honestly name me 10 better point guards than him, and i bet you cant. like somebody said earlier, there are so many bandwagon fans on this site its pathetic...

guarantee he will be an all-star sooner than later and you all will be eating your words.

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^^^my bad he would be a

^^^my bad he would be a junior

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then..

then stop the hype about him? same thing again.. when a player puts up big numbers and someone posts about it, itll be like.. yeah mvp candidate, all star lock.. the next big thing.lol its funny. now he is being exposed, we can also say that he's not the type to lead a team that can win games. ex. see : irving . on paper, the cavs maybe the worst team but still, they win games. also if you lose(again regardless of bad teammates), numbers wont lie, you can put up big numbers, the thing is he really misses shots, plays bad, no chemistry. yeah and he's fast, athletic right? yes..

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10 better pg's than Wall?

10 better pg's than Wall? Right now today in the 2011-12 Season?

No specific order

1.Paul

2.Westbrook

3.Williams

4.Rondo

5.Rose

Top 5 is a given

6.Parker 14.0 PPG 7.3 APG 2.4 RPG 1.3 TO's

7.Lowry 15.3 PPG 10 APG 6.2 RPG 3.2 TO's

8.Jennings 19.8 PPG 5.3 APG 3.3 RPG 2.8 TO's

9. Jack 16.7 PPG 8.2 APG 3.7 RPG 3.2 TO's

10.Irving 14.1 PPG 5.3 APG 3.9 RPG 2.8 TO's

Quiet as kept............ Jose Calderon? 13.1 PPG 9.7 APG 3.9 RPG 1.4 TO's

Talent wise these guys aren't better than John Wall, but in the 2011-12 season all these guys are ahead of Wall, and they all have WON a game or two lol

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Derrick Rose 2nd NBA season

Derrick Rose 2nd NBA season (first 6 games)

12.3 ppg 2.8 rpg 5.7 apg 3.2 turnovers per game

Hell even after 2 months

15.6 ppg 3 rpg 5.2 apg 3 topg

Stop jumping the gun.

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Derrick Rose second season

Derrick Rose second season first 6 games= Bulls 4-2

The beef with Wall is not all his stats, it's his inability to be a LEADER, stats don't mean everything, but he hasn't won a game and there are PG's out there with not as much talent around them as Wall(Irving and Williams) that has won games.

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The Bulls won despite Rose,

The Bulls won despite Rose, not because of him. He really started that season out awful.

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14 points 11 assist 2 TO's in

14 points 11 assist 2 TO's in a 86-85(11/5/09) Win over Lebron James and Cleveland sounds pretty good to me, but that's neither here nor there, Wall is not the same player as Rose, stats or not and everyone knows that, Lets talk about JOHN WALL and what's wrong with him and why he is struggling and part of Washington's losing woes.

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I'm trying to say that

I'm trying to say that players struggle. Even the great ones. A lot of players go through the sophomore slump. Tyreke Evans and Brandon Jennings regressed. Carmelo Anthony didn't improve. The list is a lot longer those are just the first 3 that came to mind. I mean just because 2 weeks into the season a guy is struggling doesn't mean he needs a new post every single day about how disappointing he has been. He is on a team full of selfish players, give the kid a break.

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I didnt write the article!

I didnt write the article! lol I like John Wall, but the truth is the truth, but when you are out here saying you going to take the Wizards to the playoffs, you going to repay Russell Westbrook and Derrick Rose for taking advantage of you because you weren't 100 percent,meaning in other terms you going to buss they butt and show them your better, or that your jumper is improved and your going to dominate, ummmm you better be ready for some heat if you cant live up to those expectations. Wall said all this look it up.

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I'm not excusing his play.

I'm not excusing his play. But he is getting WAY too much heat for a 6 game stretch in the beginning of the season.

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Thats why I said in every

Thats why I said in every post he is PART not all of there problem, i have no beef with Wall, as I said I think he along with Rose,Westbrook and Rondo are the most physically gifted PG's in the world, but he has work to do athleticism isn't going to do it all the time for you.

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