[Stanford hoopsParticipant]

DETROIT BAD BOY MADE A VERY GOOD Point in saying wall could become jarvaris…there games were extremley similar in highschool..i remeber watching javaris a coupel times didnt know his stats but detroit put it out there and they are similar..as well as height (although reports are wall is closer to 6’2)..both were explosive..(trust me javaris was flying and dunking on peoples head with force)…and both shot abou tthe same although javaris jumper was a lil better)….not saying he will become jarvaris but it is possible..so i guess that could be his basement

[lakanoParticipant]

LOL that would be dissapointing

[the_truth34Participant]

this also shows how bad draft becoming because he went 19 in 2007 draft and john wall projected 1st

[Stanford hoopsParticipant]

its actually more of the sites going a tad too far on higschool talent before they play a college game…oif you look at the mock drafts every year a highschooler is ranked as a top 3 pick

[J-CHRISTOSParticipant]

If Crittenton was that good we all would have heard of him back in 06,after saying that it could go either way with Wall

[Stanford hoopsParticipant]

derrick favors is another whos listed number 4 on here…..something ment to mention about this site comparing him to josh smith..i think that is kinda acurate..hes not the elite athlete josh was or is and not nearly the definsive player josh is..other then that thats a pretty good comparision

[Stanford hoopsParticipant]

well for one the youtube era wasnt as big as it is now thats why you didnt hear about him …if lebron was a freshman now we would know about him now..back then we didnt know about lebron till the end of his soph year

[Stanford hoopsParticipant]

these days everyone is hyped because everyone wants to create the next or new this or that..come on now thats obvious

[J-CHRISTOSParticipant]

That was nice,but he doesn’t have John Wall explosiveness,you could see the comparison.On one hand you say why didn’t the Lakers keep him,but on the other hand that nothing the Lakers gave Memphis was Crittenton and Marc Gasol he couldn’t have been that bad

[the_truth34Participant]

jack anybodys theory i was looking at recent drafts and saw that there game is
alike

[Stanford hoopsParticipant]

thats just one higlight tape..go check out what he vert is listed at….higher than walls when they mesured his at camp…hmmmmm..reguardless they have very similar games..some peopel just dont pan out or cant do the same thing against good defenders that they do against highschoolers

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

I do not think Javaris Crittenton will be where John Wall ends up. Yes, he is sick in those videos you have posted, but here is the low down, John Wall has been scouted as the best 1-3 guy in his class. He has PG talent that Tavaris does not possess. Also, while Javaris was a top recruit, Thaddeus Young was ranked ahead of him. DeMarcus Cousins, who many rank as this years best C recruit, is ranked behind John Wall. To me, that in itself is saying something about how high of a level Wall must be at. Lets face it man, a lot of guys look fantastic in their high school tapes, and most guys who are NBA level talented were making people look utterly ridiculous in HS. I mean, every dude who is a top 300 player in the nation is probably doing great things and in all likelihood is throwing dunks down on the heads of far lesser players/athletes. But, to be where John Wall is ranked and from what I have seen of him, he seems to be in a category Javarris never was.

[Stanford hoopsParticipant]

yeah but where would have javaris been ranked if he played an extra year as wall did..because last year wall was ranked lower then jarvaris was his senior year so shouldnt have wall been ranked higher then the seniors this year?..and in the final rankings he is behind avery bradley and derrick favors??????

[gregoden08Participant]

What are you getting at? Your whole point is revolved around ONE EXTRA YEAR OF HIGH SCHOOL….LOL. OJ Mayo was over a year older than most of his class years, and things turned out well for him. Lets face it, John clearly has more talent than Avery. Avery is a tweener who will never be an all-star. Favors could be better, but I highly doubt he has the potential that Wall has. Also, come on bro…Javaris? Really now? Don’t even put him and Wall in the same sentence. Wall is much faster and clearly has more point guard skills. Javaris had/has good potential, but just wasn’t ready for the NBA. Which is evident considering how he’s averaging 5 ppg and shooting 50% from the FT line.

[Stanford hoopsParticipant]

jarvaris hs numbers against better competition( after doing reserch i found out that year there schedule was ranked alot higher then word of gods) 29 points, 9 assists, and 7 rebounds ..so what exatly different did wall do his senior year that jarvaris didnt cuz its obvious in any aspect that jarvaris was better as a senior then wall was as a senior.,…cant judge 5th year really since jarvaris was a freshman at that point

[GoJOSH HUESTISParticipant]

wall was the same player as his real senior year that he was as a fith year senior..he was a pretty good player then also but other players were better..brandon jennings for one made him look extremley bad…he did have a nice match up with kemba walker but kemba out played him also….im not sure most people know he was a fith year senior..im pretty sure if holiday or derozen got a extra year to play against highschool kids they would look like number 1 picks also……the kid going to texas jordan hamalton is also a fifth year senior…walls jumper actually looked better when he was a true senior so im guessing he didnt work on it the summer before his fifth year

[GoJOSH HUESTISParticipant]

age and playing another year is different …i dont think anyone is sayign he is a sure bust but if you wanna rate him rate him with his class not the extra year he had in highschool because hes game hasnt changed since then..in his own class he wasnt as good as the other pg and a couple of them out played him as well as defended him well…to name the one that i saw him play against….brandon jennings kemba walker..evans willie warren and elleot williams…of course he looks better then them now since he played yet another year against inferior competition so yeah it does matter..it thats why it will be interesting when he gets to college and playes against better competition

[Stanford hoopsParticipant]

so greg ..why again are you disreguarding what wall did during his real senior year aginst his own highschool class and only focusing on the class after his?

[Stanford hoopsParticipant]

and so far wall hasnt proven anything untill he does all of this on the college level and not on the hs level

[J-CHRISTOSParticipant]

Somebody needs to get John Wall’s clips and a few more Crittenton high school clips,and kind of compare Wall to Crittenton before entering college

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Josh, I never recall John Wall being ranked with last years class, and playing a 5th year is very common. OJ Mayo was held back a year, Caron Butler did it, and numerous others. My point is exactly how I wrote it, and I do not think people would have ranked Javaris higher to answer your question, as guys who play a 5th year usually get scrutinized and picked apart by scouting services, much like playing in college. I tried to look up John Wall’s statistics, but than decided I was wasting my life, and how they meant little to nothing. I saw he had 22 and 13 versus Tyreke Evans in some game, but alas, that does not look like 29-9-7. His competition versus Javaris is something I have no clue about, but dude had 13 and 11 in the hoop summit, which broke the assist record. I do not think he was ranked behind Avery Bradley in every service and Derrick Favors might be this years Michael Beasley, but John Wall could be Derrick Rose. One thing I do not see him being is Javaris Crittenton, as his team will win games and he will get past round 1 of the tourney.

[Stanford hoopsParticipant]

hold up pleas dont compare favors game to beasley..he doesen thave the jumper or offenseive game that beasley has. favors is compared to josh smith and plays alot like him..not abunch of ofennsive skill but athletic and physcially bigger then his opponents….playing 5 years and starting school late is different…when you compare wall he should be compared to the other players in his class…he played 5 years..he should be compared to the other players in his class…so whats the harm in comparing the players in his class…breaking records in hoop summit or all star games mean what exactly..as i recall casey jacobson broke the hoopsummit scoring record and i think wayne ellington broke that was well..yes wall shoul dget drafteed lotto he is talented..but saying number one pick is premature…i reitierate..favors is ranked high and highly thought of but no one has him as good as beasley

[Stanford hoopsParticipant]

there is also not a mayo in this class nor a rose or blake or gordan

[Stanford hoopsParticipant]

and the reason he wasnt ranked high wit last years is because he wasnt better then the guards that were ranked high

[GoJOSH HUESTISParticipant]

everyone is getting off point..the poitn is wall could end up as good as rose but he could also end up as bad as jarvaris ..it happens all the time where players are projected to be good but end up not being as good as projected…just like felipi lopez reguadless of all the physical tools they have..we will all know during the upcomming college season..what i did was state the facts of how wall couldnt dominate aginst his class last year like he did this years class..ya’ll can take it how you want but the facts dont lie..sorry if it hut some of ya’lls feelings

[gregoden08Participant]

How are you hurting someones feelings? Anyways, are you guys really going to take ONE EXTRA YEAR IN HIGH SCHOOL THIS SERIOUSLY? Lol this is just ridiculous. Like someone previously stated Caron Butler, OJ Mayo, and I’m sure many others had an extra year in high school. Heck, James Johnson is 2 years older than most people in his class, but he stil managed to be a high pick. I agree, John Wall being a number one pick is premature (obviously), but can you guys tell me someone more talented than John Wall in next years draft?

[J-CHRISTOSParticipant]

Don’t ever bring that name,I remember watching in the McDonald’s All American in 94, did his thing,did okay in college,played for the T-Wolves then he was gone just like that.He was my first disappointment in terms of prospects,I remember arguing at the lunch table about who would be better Iverson or Lopez,boy was I ever wrong on that

[Stanford hoopsParticipant]

so is no one gonna take into account why he couldnt dominate last year in his true senior class?…im just wondering…mayo did play 5 years…except he played highschool as a 8th grader…butler did go to prepschool for a year…yall should go commision the mcdonalds game since they dont allow 5th year seniors to play in the game…..to be honest i wish i played a 5th year in highschool..i would have easily been player of the year in my state and possibly been a all american

[gregoden08Participant]

Wall, would’ve been a top-5 pick if he wasn’t a fifth year senior. Wall is probably going to be the number one pick, and I don’t think GM’S are going to take one extra year in high school. Anyways, there are plenty of top recruited players who are old for their age. For the most part, it’s not going to ruin their potential, now is it? Also, like I said previously Wall will never be as bad as Javaris Crittenton. Javaris just doesn’t understand what it takes to be an NBA PG. Even in college people were critical of him. ” there is no other way to describe Javaris Crittenton’s performance than as an absolute disaster. He went scoreless and was held without an assist in the first 18 minutes of the game, which helped UNLV coast to a double digit lead that they maintained for most of the first half. Crittenton settled for ill-advised outside shots and pounded the ball incessantly, which meant that Georgia Tech’s offense lacked any kind of direction. He struggled with the fullcourt press and turned the ball over repeatedly on terrible decisions, not making any reads in the half-court and constantly making the same mistakes over and over again. “

[Stanford hoopsParticipant]

lol..we were all wrong on that one..lol……that was just a point saying wall could end up not being as good as projected….we will see what he does in college

[Stanford hoopsParticipant]

like i said we will see how he does in college..being projecte doesnt really matter seeing as bj mullins was also projected number one…once he shows what he can do in college we shall see how good he really can be since we all know highschool is pretty easy..college will seperate the real ballers..i hope he does well..ill be watching liek the rest of yall to see..wall can be as bad as alot of pg or as good as alot of pg..any highschool palyer can so unless someone knows the future NO ONE can say someone will never be this or that when predicting what a highschool player will be

[gregoden08Participant]

After what you just said, why did you even create this topic?

[Stanford hoopsParticipant]

to point out that its possible what wall could become…too many peopel are already saying how great the players of this class will become..none fail to mention what they could also become if they go in the other direction…most fans just act like its impossible for a player to just go the other way..many players have done it in the past and many will do it in the future…alot with great skills and cant miss will miss or wont be as good..either we were fooled by what they did in highschool against inferior competition or the stopped working as hard or some reason no one can explain…im sure each one of us can name a player we were sure was gonna be the next something when they were comming out of highschool

[gregoden08Participant]

Good point. I just don’t see John Wall being a bust…That’s all. But, I guess we will have to wait and see.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Josh, was Javaris ever ranked as the possible first pick in his draft? By viable scouting services? Well, neither was Casey Jacobsen. I only said that about Derrick Favors in terms of possible productivity in college, plus I believe he has slightly more of an offensive game at his stage than Josh Smith did.

[tuck243Participant]

the only thing I remember about him is when he crossed the hell out of LeBron and made him fall in AAU (or a camp) either way that’s all I remember… Athleticism? Wall!!! and at 6-2, Wall looks longer than Jarvis is… Jarvis could dunk on people( in high school what superstar can’t?) but Wall does crazy things in that Air with BOTH hands and he’s faster with the ball… You can’t stop him regardless if he has a shot or not… Case being the USA game… Wall is more explosive than Jarvis and have MORE of an upside… It’s just, IDK if Wall have that mindset to be great… You can talk about that, but the talent is there, more than Jarvis ever was…

[Stanford hoopsParticipant]

favors doesnt have the talent to do a beasley in college

[Mr.Duke 1426Participant]

everyone just needs to relax and let wall play a college season first!!! Sure he’s got all the potential in the world by he’s a high schooler! This college season will tell us if he will go 1st or whenever. As for the comparison, Crittenton was just as explosive as wall, not in Speed but in leaping ability. He was a flashy ball handler but not as good a passer as wall. This is a good post though josh because if wall is TOO overhyped then this comparison could be reality.

[Mr.Duke 1426Participant]

everyone just needs to relax and let wall play a college season first!!! Sure he’s got all the potential in the world by he’s a high schooler! This college season will tell us if he will go 1st or whenever. As for the comparison, Crittenton was just as explosive as wall, not in Speed but in leaping ability. He was a flashy ball handler but not as good a passer as wall. This is a good post though josh because if wall is TOO overhyped then this comparison could be reality.

[Stanford hoopsParticipant]

exactly…ill take jennings over wall though

[jcjParticipant]

So if Wall turns out to be like Crittenton, that would mean he would be a bust if drafted in the lottery (or even in the first round), more so if at the top of the lottery.

[Stanford hoopsParticipant]

jarvis isnt a bust yet ..but yeah taken that high proabbly ..jarvis is still young and hes actually a pretty good player..he does well when given time

[ball4life66Participant]

Yea Javaris has played in the league 2 years so he’s not a bust yet. I see him turning into a good player. And comparing Derrick Favors to Josh Smith is a HORRIBLE COMPARISON!!! Favors is just as good as Beasley but it will be hard to put up as a good as numbers because he will be playing with Lawal.

[Stanford hoopsParticipant]

just as good as beasley??..lol..have you watched favors..he doesnt have the offensive skills beasley has..its not even close..he cant shoot left and right and his jumper has zero consistant range..he scores on over powering and drives and fast breaks…now thats a horrible comparison

[OldSkoolBasketballParticipant]

Greg Oden played less than 2 years and people calling him a bust and Crittenton is not? They say Wall is similar to Rose.

[ball4life66Participant]

Lol….I don’t think you’ve watched Favors? I am pretty sure Favors has range….he hit two NBA 3’s on ESPN2 earlier in the year playing against Demarcus Cousins(Favors dropped 39 points and 18 rebounds) and has a very good low post game. He is a more natuaral 4 in the NBA than Beasley.

Mcdonald practice quote
“Favors impressed with his three-point shooting during drill work, and he also had a top notch left handed finish over Oriakhi during the scrimmage portion of the practice.”

You haven’t watched Favors (recently) if you think he has no range.

[sheltwon3Participant]

I have a question, Critterton looked alright when he played for the Lakers and got minutes. He also did well in the summer leagues. He has yet to show anything in not much minutes. Wall is being hyped a great deal more than Critterton. I saw Critterton play his rookie year because i am a big Lakers fan and he does not suck. My only guess for him not playing would be because he is still learning the game and they have veteran in front of him. Most of the game he got decent minutes with Washington he played well. Nothing great but he was solid. He put up decent numbers. Sometimes is all about being at the right place at the right time. I wonder how people would few Rose and Mayo if they had to play behind people. Hopefully once he goes to a team that fits his style he can produce Washington seems to be in disarray and have a too many vets on the perimeter.

[bluedevils12Participant]

remember crittenton in high school and to me che wasnt the athlete wall was. dont get me wrong he was athletic but he wasnt nearly as fast as wall. the one thing he did have over wall is a jumpshot. Becuase wall’s jumpshot is basically a prayer waiting to be answered

[jcjParticipant]

I don’t think Crittenton is a bust or has much chance to be one given that he was a late first round pick (19th overall). At that point in the draft, you don’t really expect to get a star and a contributor would be sufficient. Crittenton may never be a starter, or at least not one on a good team, but seems to have the potential to be a capable back-up.

If you compare Wall to him, however, and draft Wall with a pick at the top of the lottery, then Crittenton-like play would be make Wall a bust. It really all depends on where you get the player.

[Stanford hoopsParticipant]

are u serious…he hit 2 threes so you think he has range..ive watched him and read scouting reports..show me one that says he has consitant range….so if a guy hits a 3 or 2 in one game u think he all of as sudden has three point range?

Weaknesses: Still needs to work on conditioning. By the end of the adidas Super 64, he was really dragging missing most of the semi-final game against Indiana Elite … Developing his perimeter skills (ball handling, passing and outside shooting) will serve him well, as he looks like more of a natural small forward for the NBA level … All of these skills have good potential, just need polishing … Must gain better consistency, play at a high level at all times … Can be a little mechanical offensively

Strengths: An elite level athlete with skills to play either forward position … He has the athleticism and quickness to guard on the perimeter, and also the length and strength to play inside … Just a high school junior, he’s already one of the top handful of high school players in the country … Tremendous shot blocker, his huge wingspan and great explosiveness and timing make him a superb shot blocker … Plays aggressively, not afraid of contact Has a great frame, adding another 15-20 good pounds will be no problem … Very fluid athlete, runs the court well … He is strongest playing inside, rebounding and defensively, skills that will be a benefit regardless of the position he ultimately ends up at … Has solid post skills, with the strength to finish after contact … Has the ability to face the basket and create or shoot … Solid range out to 12 feet, doesn’t extend further than that right now as he never needs to …

you do know you have to hit 3’s consitantly in games to have 3pt range right…how many guys hit shots in mcdonals practice??/..i recall a player by the name of marvin stone connecting on 75 percent of threes in mcd practice…another by the name of jermaine oneal was stroking threes like a shooting guard in mcdonals practice….when u evaluate a player you look at the whole body of work not just a all star practice or one game…..like i said find one scouting report that says has consitant nba 3pt range…..oh josh smith also knocked down alot of threes in mcdonals practice and won the practice three point contest….like i said BEASLEY IS NOT A GOOD COMPARISON FOR FAVORS

[ball4life66Participant]

No I’ve seen him around 10 games this year and by my count he’s 12 for 16 from 3. And you pull out his strengths and weaknesses from 2 years ago when he was only 15 years old? I guess he hasn’t improved since then…….I didn’t say Beasley was a good comparison…I said you’re wrong saying he doesnt have the “talent” to do Beasley in college.

[deuce4off]

No chance on becoming another Crittenton, 0%

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