I believe the ROY battle will occur between these two guys. Evan Turner will probably have a very good season under Doug Collins, but not a spectacular one. And Derrick Favors will also have an excellent year, but Wall and Griffin are pretty stiff competition.
To nobody's surprise, John Wall is off to a fabulous start scoring 21 points, garnering 9 assists and coming up with 4 steals.
Blake Griffin only played 22 minutes and scored 9 points while pulling down 7 rebounds in less than one half. Nothing spectacular, but a solid start for what should be a fantastic rookie season.
ive mentioned in post before imo wall and griffin will be one two in the roy of the year race wiht a slight edge going to wall
Wall has the slight edge because he'll have the ball in his hands more, but I like Griffin's chances. Even though he didn't play last season, he paid a lot of attention and was very involved with the team, etc. He knows what to expect. I wouldn't be surprised if he averaged a double double this season.
I think you should've mentioned Cousins as well. He looks great.
If Griffin stays healthy I think this will be a fascinating competition. I've said all along, Wall can become the best PG in the league but I also remember how Griffin dominated college basketball 2 years ago. Both of them are so talented, I think the difference might be how their teams perform.
I would have never said this before, but all that talk of John Wall being better than Derrick Rose is not as far-fetched as I once thought.
Hmmmmm, interesting comments from chuchboy1.
It's not going to happen this year because John Wall will be a 20 year old rookie. However, he's the most physically talented PG I ever saw come out of college. In addition, the poise he demonstrated last year running the most notorious college team in the country as a freshman was beyond belief.
I expect Wall to become the best PG in the league by his 3rd season and I wouldn't be surprised if it happened during his 2nd year.
churchboy1, after one preseason game?
I did not watch the game but in highlights it was not what he did but how he did it. He seemed so poised and it would appear he is a better passer than Rose or either he looks to pass more often than Rose.
No doubt John Wall is legit, and I think he probably will average more assists than Derrick Rose next year, but most consider Rose a top 5 point guard. He lead all eligable point guards in scoring with 20.8 ppg and is a take over type player. Especially in the playoffs where he averaged 26.8 ppg and 7.2 apg this year.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on Wall. I think he has a ton of potential, and despite similar athletic abilities and statures, I'm certain Wall will have a higher career assist mark than Rose, but to say after having a fantastic game ( in which he played 38 min) in the preseason that he is on par with Rose going in to his 3rd year with two phenominal playoff performances and FIBA experience is getting ahead of yourself, IMO.
I don't think Derrick Favors will have an excellent year in comparison to the top tier rookies..
I think if John Wall can put up 17-18ppg with about 6-7ast per game, which is realistic for him, then he could take it. I think Blake could average 15ppg with about 8reb, but John Wall would still have the edge on him because there is more hype for Wall than there is for Blake right now. Hopefully Blake doesn't end up injury prone.
John Wall is probably at a very similar level to where Derrick Rose was back in the fall of 2008 so to say Wall could reach the same level as Rose in a couple of years is a pretty fair comment IMO. I'd suggest that WAll's apg could be fairly high this year if he is the ball carrier and has Arenas alongside him, a lot depends how Coach Saunders decides to run the system to keep everyone happy so maybe if Wall does more ball carrying then Arenas gets more shots etc.
If Favours could get equal minutes to say Blake Griffin then he could push him statswise as Favours may get a fair few shots whilst Griffin has to contend with Kaman, Gordon and has a more scoring orientated PG on his team.
A Wildcard for ROY could be Tiago Splitter who may see good minutes at the Spurs and could be an outside bet and maybe a live contender for Rookie first or 2nd team frontcourt alongside Griffin, Favours, Cousins etc.
AGreed except for the favors having a excellent year part. He will struggle and not get alot of minutes
i really really believe DeMarcus could win it..
There will be growing pains for Favors. He's a project. I think if you get 10+5 out of him this year you should be jumping for joy as a nets fan. He needs to work on his game becuase as of now he is a terrible complement to Brook Lopez. Teams will just collapse on the lane and if anything Favors will clog things for Lopez. I think that the Nets this year will definitely give heavy minutes to Troy Murphy because of his polish and perimeter ability. His ability to stretch the floor takes away the double teams from Lopez. Kris Humphries could also get minutes over Favors because of his scrappiness. Also in some small rotations you could see Damion James and Outlaw as PF. I think the process for Favors will be slow. If anything I think he will be in there to replace Lopez and not play with him. While he is developing he needs to work on his jump shot big time. I think Greg Monroe has a better season than him. Also watch out for Larry Sanders who could log heavy minutes for the Bucks, especially early.
I think Favors will be alright once he settles in in December and Jan. I do expect his minutes to be fairly less and I expect him to foul a lot and have some shakey games in Oct and Nov. All in all I'd expect about 7 points 6 rbs and a block in about 20 min with his end of the year stats being higher as NJ fails to make the playoffs and his pt increases in March and April. He is a project, and although I'm not sold as him being worthy of the #3 pick, I don't think he'll suck either.
if favors can make that turn around Jumper with consistency like he did in the first game..he will be ok...but i agree that he will be brought out slowly maybe for the first month or two...but i think hell get his minutes by the end of the season...i dont think he has a chance to win ROY...hopefully Morrow keeps lighting it up like has been the first couple games in pre season
Interesting comments about Favors but I stick by my comment when starting this thread. I believe the ROY competition is between John Wall and Blake Evans. Both of them are such incredible talents that the deciding factor may be how their team performs this year.
Favors is just too raw to be a true impact right now, and his motor doesn't make it any better. If he was raw and had a high motor to off-set his lack of offense, then he'd have a chance for RotY, but he isn't like that.
Not just that, but the scrimmages and summer league.
favors is a guy they will have to wait a year and a half or more on (kinda like avery said). right now hes pretty raw with no real go to moves and his skill level isnt that high because he has relied on being a better athlete then his competition for so long on top of his motor not being that high. playing with troy murphey in practice every day along with brook lopex should help him a whole lot
wall has the edge on griffin purley because of the positions they play. plus griffin has baron davis handling the ball and who knows how that will go. if gilbert stays out of wall's way he should easily put up the top rook numbers this year. cousins has an outside shot becuase he's bound to get tonnes of PT and he eats up the boards, 15-10 is a possibility but he has to expand his range. 10ft isn't gonna cut it no matter how big you are (unless your shaq).
i agree with all the favors being too raw talk. he only played 1 yr at GT and doesnt have anything resembling an NBA mid range game yet. Decent on d but until he expands his O he will be 2nd (or even 3rd) fiddle in the Nets frontcourt. Promising future for them with Favors and Lopez up front though.
i see 8&6 for Favors this year and competition for MIP in his year 2 or more possible year 3.