[Michael.S.Participant]

just wanna hear some early opinions in how good Wall will be in Kentucky and in the NBA. so we can look at this in the future and see who was right, ill give mine in a few

[MagikKnickParticipant]

Derrick Rose 2.0

[Michael.S.Participant]

MagicKnick u are educated about the game , what differences do you see between Wall and Rose? i see a few

[JNixonParticipant]

Derrick Rose is physically stronger, thats the only difference in my opinion.

[HaleParticipant]

Derrick Rose has more pg skills, he is developed beyond his years. He is a tad more unselfish and is way more of a winner. His jump shot is better and has way better shooting mechanics. Wall is more committed to defense and is even quicker and more athletic then Rose. Wall is also a bit taller but Rose is more muscular and draws contact better. Both are fantastic finishers.

[Michael.S.Participant]

ill add 1 for now. Wall is way more flashy

[JNixonParticipant]

Rose’s strength is the only true difference. Everything else is either even or its such a slight advantage for them that its not worth mentioning.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

You guys need to slow down. How many games did you guys see of Wall? Your calling him Rose 2.0

[Michael.S.Participant]

ok so far we got MagicKnick who says Wall will be a D-Rose 2.0 and Knicksboy my good friend who says Wall wont even be that good ( sorry……… but i kinda think thats a stretch )

[HaleParticipant]

I didn’t call him Rose 2.0, I gave a comparison on the 2 of them.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

not you yup-yup

I didn’t say Wall will be terrible. I say Wall will have a issue guarding bigger PG’s. I saw the man play 15 games. He plays well on O but a little weak on D. I think he will be a great PG in the NBA but not a Superstar…

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Derrick Rose 2.0?

Slow down, Let him play a college game. Plus John Wall wont be “Derrick Rose” good. I saw him play 15 games. He will have trouble defending bigger PG’s and he is 6-1. He got killed by Brandon Jennings on 2 separate occasions…

[Knicksboy34Participant]

You people need to grow up as well. Some of you guys gave me a negative because I think a player needs to play in a college game First…..

[MagikKnickParticipant]

We all need to slow down…You guys are pointing out qualities that Rose didnt have coming out of HS either, Rose has 1 season experience under Calipari already, and 1 NBA season

Obviously John Wall isnt finished developing(neither is rose), he’ll get bigger, he’ll be able to shoot better, he’ll develop his PG skills along the way also..

If you compared Roses’ skills coming out of HS to Walls right now, you’d be watching twins, imo

After Walls lone college season, you’ll all see as he develops how much alike they really are..

2¢

[HaleParticipant]

It’s just going against the common belief. That is why people are taking it awya, you know people on here are very irresponsible with their point giving.

[BasketballGuru24Participant]

i Agree With knicksboys wait till his season in kentucky till we can compare him to someone…..and declare him the next big thing

[JNixonParticipant]

I can pretty much guarantee John Wall will be an elite PG in the NBA. Derrick Rose was 6’1″ at the NBA combine w/o shoes, and so is John Wall. But they are both 6’3 with shoes on and last I checked you play basketball with shoes.

[Michael.S.Participant]

thats why i made this post !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i can garuntee he will be a franchise PG in the NBA too , i wanna make people eat their words though when it does happen

[Knicksboy34Participant]

you saying he will be elite because of his hieght? Come on Iguodala…I though you were smarter than that.

[JNixonParticipant]

Naw, you said he will get eaten up by bigger guards. He is a big guard, and your arguement was he was 6’1, and so I thought that because he’s 6’1″ you thought he would struggle guarding big players. When his playing size is 6’3

[BasketballGuru24Participant]

You can’t just predict high school talent as future stars…….marcus liberty, Johathan bender, deshawn stevenson, Gerald green, kwame brown, alll expected to be greats, and compared to greats, have done nothing big in the nba……And your saying a guy that hasn’t played a nccaa game a great player……im not saying he bad….he pretty good from what i’ve seen but do we know that will show in the pros

[Knicksboy34Participant]

No, I said he WAS getting eaten up by PG’s now. I saw a couple of games against good talent where against some players and some PG’s where he was getting bullied…I think he will struggle a bit.

Even Derrick Rose has some weaknesses in his game.

[JNixonParticipant]

Your statement: “I didn’t say Wall will be terrible. I say Wall (will) have a issue guarding bigger PG’s. ”

It says will, sir. but ok whatever.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Im sorry. Yea, he HAS had issues guarding bigger PG’s and will continue to have a little bit of trouble in college.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Also, there is a big difference between 08 Memphis and 09 Kentucky

Wall will not be the main guy on UK. Patrick Patterson will. With 3 legit big men inside, Coach Cal will ask Wall to be more off a slasher/distributor then just a flat out do everything player like Rose was at Memphis

[JNixonParticipant]

The only difference is Kentucky doesnt have a crafty scorer at the wing ala Chris Douglas-Roberts

[HaleParticipant]

My prediction for Wall: 11-15 ppg 3-5 rpg 4-6 apg. That is what I expect him to do on that loaded Kentucky team.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Dude, Kentucky is loaded…3 legit big man ( all who could go round 1 this year) Memphis never had that

[JNixonParticipant]

They had a little poor mans version, with Dorsey,Dozier, and Taggart..but none of them were 1st round talents. Just tough guys who converted easy shots at the rim offensively.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

come on now man….poor man versions. these guys can create there own shots….3 1st round talents to a 2 2nd round picks and a undrafted player….those guys are these guys’ worst.

[JNixonParticipant]

“those guys are these guys’ worst.”

Thats what a poor mans version is lol…

[Knicksboy34Participant]

All in all, we need to wait on these HS kids before calling them superstars at the NBA. Guys like Robert Swift, Edbui Ebi, Shannon Brown etc were top rated Prospects and were being talked about the same way you guys talk about Wall.

[knicksfreakParticipant]

Wall is still young. He can hit the weight room. He is very long for a PG too. I’d trade my whole team just for a chance to get him.

[HaleParticipant]

To me, sometimes their are prospects you just know will succeed. I think Wall is one of them. I thought Rose, LeBron, Dwight and OJ were too. I haven’t been wrong on a hs prospect yet haha! Wall is next in line for me.

[Michael.S.Participant]

i know when i see a S.T.A.R and it’s not often but when i do see one i can just tell ( they are lightyears ahead of every1 else )

[Knicksboy34Participant]

I REPEAT

All in all, we need to wait on these HS kids before calling them superstars at the NBA. Guys like Robert Swift, Edbui Ebi, Shannon Brown etc were top rated Prospects and were being talked about the same way you guys talk about Wall.

[JNixonParticipant]

I never talked about Robert Swift that way, as a matter of fact I always wondered why he was highly rated. He is very weak and goofy and has always been since I saw him in the Mickey D’s game. I did like Shannon Brown in HS, but he wasnt hyped like John Wall and I never thought he would be an elite player in the NBA. I did think he was going to start with some team though, and he may with LA if Phil Jackson realizes he is better than Fisher and Farmar. And Ebi was raw, and too weak to play NBA. None of those players were nearly as hyped as Wall though.

[HaleParticipant]

I rarely think this highly of a prospect, I said he would succeed, not win MVP. I never thought any of those guys were good either. Like I said I’m perfect so far so until I am not, i will take my own word for it that he is going to be good.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

I’m not saying he wont succeed. I’m just saying, slow down before you predict too much for John Wall because there have been players who dont live up to it.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

None of those players were nearly as hyped as Wall though.

Not by you…there was a reason they were highly regarded.

[HaleParticipant]

Like I have been saying I said he will succeed not win MVP. I don’t believe I am getting ahead of myself by saying that.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Im not only talking to you yup-yup…relax

[Knicksboy34Participant]

me?

[JNixonParticipant]

You think Shannon Brown, Robert Swift and Nbudi Ebi were as hyped as John Wall??? I doubt that….

[HaleParticipant]

LeBron and Mayo weren’t as hyped as Wall??? You’re kidding right? Unless you are talking about Swift and the other busts.

Knicksboy it gets confusing when you don’t label who you are talking too.

[McWinningParticipant]

will be good but i dont think of him as an Mvp player the next 10 years of mvps will be owned by Rose, Durant, and Lebron.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

You think Shannon Brown, Robert Swift and Nbudi Ebi were as hyped as John Wall??? I doubt that….

Ummm..Why do you think people wanted them? Why do you think they were ranked high in HS…People thought they would be great.

[knicksfreakParticipant]

Wall is much more hyped than Ebi. Theres a reason he is projected to go #1. Ebi never got that respect. He was a long athletic player that got taken on potential. Wall is in a different boat. I dont know official measurements but he looks taller than Rose. He moves like Rose but finishes like Wade. Cant get a much better combination than that.

[Michael.S.Participant]

none of them were #1 picks like Wall will Prob. be though, so they werent as hyped though

[JNixonParticipant]

They were like the top 15 prospects in there class. Remember, the class were Dwight Howard, Shaun Livingston, and Sebastian Telfair among others were drafted higher than them in the 03 and 04 class? Swift was the only one out of those 3 who was taken in the lotto I believe. John Wall s much higher ranked, and he gets more pub than all 3 of them when they were prospects.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

none of them were #1 picks like Wall will Prob. be though, so they werent as hyped though

That doesnt mean anything…

[JNixonParticipant]

Thank yall Knicksfreak and Mikenike. I know I couldnt have been the only one to think that way!

[Michael.S.Participant]

him being a #1 pick means that peple view him as the BEST prospect in the whole draft . that means something

[Knicksboy34Participant]

him being a #1 pick means that peple view him as the BEST prospect in the whole draft

for this season, he would not have went 1st in 2009…..

[HaleParticipant]

He would have went 2nd Knicksboy. At worst. He could have went 1 if a different team won the lottery. What is with the Wall hating? I know he hasn’t played in college yet but some people are just stars.

[knicksfreakParticipant]

He had a legitimate chance to challenge Blake Griffin for the #1 spot. Him and only him.

[Michael.S.Participant]

ummmm yes he would have , the Clipps NEED a point guard for the future still, Griffin wasn’t a necessity like Wall

[knicksfreakParticipant]

Exactly. The Clippers were stacked at the bigs if anybody remembers. Wall would have been a good pick for them. Wall and Gordon is a small but great backcourt.

[JNixonParticipant]

John Wall definitely wouldve went 1st. It wouldve been a D.Rose/Mike Beasley scenario all over again. A high level PG will always be picked over a high level PF

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Listen. You guys are hyping up Wall too much. Future MVP. Elite PG. Etc,

I never said he will be a Bust, I said simply : Slow Down. I seen it before where a hyped up prospect doesn’t deliver. All I’m saying is before you call him ” God on the court” let him play in college.

Also, (Be Honest) I barely heard of John Wall before Brandon Jennings left HS. Jennings tore up Wall on 2 different games. He had some problems on D against him. Some of you people call Jennings a bust, but he whips up on Wall?

Say Whatever after that, All I’m saying is slow down.

[HaleParticipant]

What are you reading? No one called him MVP, god on the court, elite pg or anything. Stop hating on the guy just cuz your knicks can’t draft him.

[Toronto16Participant]

In my opinion he will be a better pro than Derrick Rose

[JNixonParticipant]

I never really heard of Brandon Jennings when Derrick Rose was playing, so what’s you reasoning behind that argument? I dont think John Wall is a Savior, but I do think he will be an elite PG in college and in the NBA sooner rather than later.

[Michael.S.Participant]

well i did call him a future franchise PG ……….oops : P

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Im not hating on him at all. I never said he would be a bust…All I said was Slow Down. Do you understand…Slow Down?

I’m not dissing him at all….so you need to relax

[knicksfreakParticipant]

I dont know knicksboy. Can anybody think of a guard projected so high being a flop? I cant off the top of my head. This looks like the strongest draft in years and he is projected #1. Theres something to be said about that.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

I never really heard of Brandon Jennings when Derrick Rose was playing

I did

[HaleParticipant]

I don’t need to slow down. You don’t understand. I haven’t called him god, I said he will be good. I am not being too fast in the slightest.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Yup-Yup

I wasn’t only talking about you! God I said that already!

[JNixonParticipant]

Quit lying man. You wasnt up on Jennings then, I dont believe that lol….

[knicksfreakParticipant]

Well you can quote me right now saying that Wall will be a top 5 PG in the league with a ceiling of D-Wade. He has the attitude that Rose is missing. He plays and acts like a star. If I’m wrong I welcome you to make me eat my words.

[HaleParticipant]

Im not hating on him at all. I never said he would be a bust…All I said was Slow Down. Do you understand…Slow Down?

I’m not dissing him at all….so you need to relax

That is clearly addressed to me.

[Michael.S.Participant]

OMG u took the DAMN words right outta my mouth

“He has the attitude that Rose is missing. He plays and acts like a star. If I’m wrong I welcome you to make me eat my words.”

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Yea that part addressed you because you called me a hater for no reason.

I never said…Wall’s gonna suck. No, I said simple “Slow Down”

[HaleParticipant]

Then I told you I didn’t need to slow down and you said you weren’t talking to me. Make up your mind lol.

[knicksfreakParticipant]

Its no fun if you wait to see what happens. Making bold predictions is what we do.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

I cannot wait till next year when people are gonna say

OMG! Harrison Barnes is gonna be a top 5 SG. Brandon Knight is the greatest! He’s gonna be a NBA SUPERSTAR

Also, since Knicksfreak is making predictions I wanna make one, Brandon Knight will be better then John Wall in the NBA.

[knicksfreakParticipant]

Hey, you never know. OJ Mayo was a lock for #1 until Rose and Beasley had sick freshman seasons.

[HaleParticipant]

Really? I am not a big fan of Brandon Knight. I do think Barnes is going to be very good and I think Wroten is going to be extremely good the following year.

[Michael.S.Participant]

Brandon Knight will be better then John Wall in the NBA.
forreal though are u serious about that one? but hey , watch out for Tony Wroten next year

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Brandon Knight is sick. My Granddad just sent me like 10 tapes of him as a Junior. He reminds me of like a mix of J-Kidd and Magic.

The issue with Knight is he needs to increase that assist number. He averaged like 5 a game last year.

[Michael.S.Participant]

yupyup man i wanted to be the first to say Wroten

[JNixonParticipant]

Brandon Knight wont be as good as Wall. He will be a great player and he has a great future, but he will not be as good as Wall.

[HaleParticipant]

Haha Wroten is going to be a beast. I see a star in him, he incredible vision for a soph. and he should only get bigger and be a playmaking 2 guard. Knight is good, I just think Wall will be better. But hey, you could easily be right.

[Michael.S.Participant]

all jokes aside though,i think i will be better than Brandon Knight though in my Junior year

[Knicksboy34Participant]

My prediction…I’m telling you now before most people on this site starts blowing him, Knight is gonna be phenomenal in the NBA

[Knicksboy34Participant]

i think i will be better than Brandon Knight though in my Junior year

how good are you? what did you average last season? I hope you were kidding.

[Michael.S.Participant]

“Knight is gonna be phenomenal in the NBA”

HAHAHA and we were speaking too early about J-Wall, it’s ok though, i knew u werent crazy about Wall like me

[HaleParticipant]

I see a bigger Jason Terry in Brandon Knight.

[Michael.S.Participant]

OH NO
i talked to u a while ago about my ball-handling, im definitely not kidding, i didn’t play last year GRADES : (

[HaleParticipant]

Aren’t you only like 14 or 15? You have a lot of balling to do still. Real name please?

[JNixonParticipant]

Knight’s team played the Georgia Stars a year back and he has a nice hesitation dribble that he follows with a quick jump shot, its NBA caliber. But he isnt the athlete Wall is (who really is?) and he isnt the presence off the ball defensively Wall is. Also isnt as good a natural PG. I do like him though.

[Michael.S.Participant]

JUST turned 16
Michael Santonastasio , for-real Itailian

[Knicksboy34Participant]

I remember that but are you really gonna put up 32-8-5 next year?

[HaleParticipant]

If you are really that good, I want your autograph man.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

do you live in Brooklyn?

[Michael.S.Participant]

i dont care about #’s , i wanna win, but i am only in my Soph year

[Michael.S.Participant]

nahhh, i live in the Bronx

[Michael.S.Participant]

HAHAHA YupYup i hope there is a day people do want my auto though. if i am famous i promise u will be the first to get my auto

[Knicksboy34Participant]

oh because i saw your name on CNY before….did you win something?

[Michael.S.Participant]

a scholarship, almost lost it cuz of those grades, my name isnt on the internet for B-Ball yet hopefully soon

[Knicksboy34Participant]

It will man

[Michael.S.Participant]

hope so, thanks

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