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Does anybody know what was said about John Wall in Chris Broussard's article on ESPN


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Normally don't do this for

Normally don't do this for people who join the website and ask for free stuff but here ya go.

One of the most intriguing young players in the league returned to action last week. John Wall and his blazing, high-wire act are back from a knee injury and, finally, there's a spark of life in the Washington Wizards' franchise.

Wall, a third-year point guard, is unquestionably one of the most exciting players in the world. Liable to dunk on an entire team at any time, Wall is must-see TV.

But that's about all we know about the 6-foot-4 lightning bolt. Two up-and-down, at-times-dazzling, at-times-exasperating seasons have left us without answers as to how good Wall will eventually be.

Sometimes that's how it is; no one would've predicted greatness for John Stockton, Gary Payton, Steve Nash or Chauncey Billups after their first two seasons, so Wall's inconsistent play so far is not necessarily a definitive statement about what his future holds.

But other point guards, particularly recently, have defined themselves as future perennial All-Stars much quicker than Wall. I'm talking about guys like Chris Paul, Kyrie Irving and Derrick Rose.

Wall's numbers are fairly strong. He's averaged 16.3 points and 8.1 assists over his first two seasons, but he's also committed 3.8 turnovers a game while shooting about 41 percent from the floor. So what does it all mean? How good does Wall project to be?

To find out, we asked several NBA experts who are paid to assess talent, potential and productivity for their thoughts on Wall. Here's what two NBA team executives and two scouts think of the No. 1 pick of the 2010 draft.

The Eastern Conference executive:
"His stock never should've been as high as it was. His whole game is based on straight-line speed. He doesn't have good lateral moves in the half court. He's not a shooter, he's not leader, he's not a guy you can build a team around. What he is is a better version of Tyreke Evans.

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He's not a shooter, he's not leader, he's not a guy you can build a team around. What he is is a better version of Tyreke Evans.
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-- An Eastern Conference executive
"If you build your team around Wall, you're not building a strong playoff team. He doesn't have any pace to his game. He just has blinding speed. When Jason Kidd was young, he didn't have pace either. All he had was blinding speed. The difference, though, was that Kidd had native playmaking ability. He used his blinding speed to get other guys shots. Wall uses his speed to get to the rim every time and he doesn't make anybody better.

"I like him as a kid, and I hope for his sake that he watched enough tape while he was injured to appreciate pace. I also hope he likes Bradley Beal and realizes that he's a guy he can throw the ball to. You can certainly argue that over his first two seasons, he didn't have anyone to throw the ball to.''

The Western Conference executive:
"When you talk about the perception of him coming out of college, he got the benefit of being from Kentucky. … That probably led to him being a bit overrated. He definitely has not yet established himself as a great player, but you have to factor in the situation in Washington. How is that impacting him? It's easy to pounce on him, but a lot of people around the league are blaming the situation in Washington more than they're blaming him.''

The Eastern Conference scout:
"When he entered the league, I thought he could improve and one day get to that elite status. But judging by the way he's played so far, I'd say, 'No, he's not going to be an elite point guard.' He's so limited. He's not a great decision-maker and he's not a great scorer, so those two things right there keep him from entering the class of Chris Paul, Derrick Rose, Kyrie Irving, Deron Williams, Russell Westbrook and those guys. He's not in that class. He's a tremendous athlete going north and south. I see a guy who thinks 'shoot first, pass second.' Maybe that's because he's on a bad team, but I think those are his instincts -- shoot first, pass second. And I think his jumper, or his lack of a jumper, is an Achilles' heel for him.

"I think of Wall as a poor man's Westbrook. Both are great athletes playing point guard and both are really, really fast. They both finish strong at the rim. I think that's one of the best things about Wall's game -- that he can get to the hole and finish. But I think he's a tier below Westbrook and those other elite guys. Yeah, Westbrook isn't a great decision-maker and his game is based largely on his athleticism, but he is also a good shooter. I hate to say Wall can't be like Westbrook because he's such a young kid, but I really don't think he can. I don't think he's in the class of Westbrook. When the ball comes off Westbrook's hand, it looks good. When it comes off Wall's hand, it's, 'Man, that thing ain't going in.' Can Wall get to that elite status? I have my doubts. Wall needed to stay in college longer. But he was going to be picked so high that you can't blame him for leaving.''

Another Eastern Conference scout:
"My general feeling is that Wall isn't a guy you build a team around. He's not a franchise guy. He's a very good player, but I'm getting that Steve Francis feeling. He's a very similar player to Francis. They're damn near identical. Now some people may immediately say, 'Wait a minute, he's better than Steve Francis.' But they're just remembering the end of Francis' career. Remember, that guy made some All-Star teams. Both are athletic guys playing point guard who really aren't necessarily point guards. They don't shoot it well, they're not the best decision-makers. They're very exciting, very explosive guys who can make plays. One minute they're exciting, the next minute they're boneheaded. They do so many things well that you can't help but appreciate their talent. They're nice players to have, but they can't be your franchise guy. They're more like a number 3 guy if you're going to be a really good team. To be fair, Wall will pass the ball. He's a little more of a point guard than Francis was. Francis was a little more of a scorer, more shoot first than Wall.

"Russell Westbrook is another great comparison. He's another tremendous athlete who's playing point guard and who often does some boneheaded stuff. But his talent is so great that you say, 'That's OK.' But Westbrook kind of underscores the point I'm making about Wall. You have to have a Kevin Durant and a couple of other guys with him. Oklahoma had Durant and Harden with Westbrook, so he's one of two or three guys; he's not your main guy. If you put Wall in Oklahoma and Westbrook in Washington, the Wizards would still suck and Oklahoma would still be good.''

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I liked that last point about

I liked that last point about Russell Westbrook.

"Russell Westbrook is another great comparison. He's another tremendous athlete who's playing point guard and who often does some boneheaded stuff. But his talent is so great that you say, 'That's OK.' But Westbrook kind of underscores the point I'm making about Wall. You have to have a Kevin Durant and a couple of other guys with him. Oklahoma had Durant and Harden with Westbrook, so he's one of two or three guys; he's not your main guy. If you put Wall in Oklahoma and Westbrook in Washington, the Wizards would still suck and Oklahoma would still be good.''

That's what I always thought of about John Wall, which I think we still need to see his improvement after the injury, he's only played 3 games so far.
I think if they make that rumored trade for Rudy Gay to go along with John Wall and Bradley Beal, he could be that Westbrook type player and they could be like a mini-Durant, Harden, Westbrook.

In the 3 games since he's been back, he averaging 13.3 points, 6.7 assists, 2 rebounds, and 1.3 steals. Shooting 80% from the line, only shooting 41% from the field still. He's shooting 0% from 3 point range but he's only shot 2 and one was a desperation shot, so really he's only taken 1 three pointer. Also,he has a 24.54 per(everyone's favorite stat, I hate it, but everyone else likes it) and he's doing these things in 22.3 minutes a game, He's showing improvement although it's in limited time, so I say we will see what John Wall's true ceiling or floor is once he's fully healthy and playing full time the rest of the season.

P.S. John Wall and Bradley Beal are looking like an amazing tandem so far. He's given the ball to Bradley Beal in some great spots, and Bradley Beal's field goal percentage is improving from it. He started playing better right before John Wall came back but you can really see a difference now.

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Wall's most important tool is

Wall's most important tool is his speed...True.

Even alot of my friends think John Wall isn't that good, they all say "He's just fast, if he wasn't fast he woldn't be in the L".....True? Maybe.

But my thing is this....is it John Wall's fault he's faster than everyone? No, he may not be as skilled as some want him to be, but a guy averaging 16,8,4 in his first two years is nothing to overlook.

We forget Wall:

Was the 3rd rookie ever to average 16 and 8, and the youngest ever to do it

1st player in NBA history to get 29 points, 13 assist, 9 steals in a game.

Only rookie to record 9 or more assist in 10 straight games

Joined Magic Johnson as the only 2 rookies to record a triple double and have six steals within their first 6 games.

3rd youngest player ever to get a triple double.

Wall's potential is enormous, his ball handling is shakey in the half court, I always thought his handle was stronger, and he is faster than he is quick, but the guys potential is off the charts, and on top of all that, his team sucks big time and he still managed to put up those type of numbers.

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I totally agree. Even if he

I totally agree. Even if he never developes a jumper, which I doubt he will, he still posses the talents to be a more explosive and faster Rondo. He was not blessed with being around a great organization the way Rondo was. Rondo had the luxury to learn from 3(4 if you include the glove) hall of famers, with one of the most respective coaches in the league. Wall was stuck in a loser organization with immature talent. Wall, like Rondo both like to dish the ball and have great court awareness. It would be more evident in Wall if he had teammates the last two years who weren't running with their heads cut off. Wall has similar length to Rondo and both posses game changing defensive ability even if not on full display at all times. I don't see hi reaching his full potential and not developing that knack for winning like Rondo has, but fully expect to play himself into top 5 pg discussion

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He would be the PERFECT point

He would be the PERFECT point guard fit on the Jazz. That would be fun basketball to watch. Don't be surprised if the Jazz throw some money when he's a RFA.

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Not sure how they can say

Not sure how they can say wall is a shoot first PG , lol. He is definitely a pass first point guard, he actually makes his teammates better. Just watch the games.

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I'm pretty sure those scouts

I'm pretty sure those scouts watch games. I think they're commenting on his greatest strength which is his driving ability. He drives to score and if that's cut off he kicks the ball out.

I agree with mostly everything that was said about his game. He needs to learn how to play with pace, but if he slows down will he be as effective as he is? It's a bit of a conundrum.

If he made his teammates better I don't think we'd be hearing the same old excuse about how he had bad teammates.

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i don't understand one

i don't understand one thing..PASSING..

Wall is shoot-first but has no problem to avg 8 assists on maybe even more terrible team than Cavs..and got over 6 per game in college
Kyrie is called pure PG but has big time problems to get even avg of 6assists and could get only 4 in Duke..

does being fast and not playing under control makes you worse passer? NO. That means he is really a turnover prone and has to slow it down but as a passer he is pretty great, imagine that he would actually play slower using more half court basketball, there would be another double double PG in the NBA

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A lot of ignorant statement

A lot of ignorant statement in that article. So John Wall is a shoot first PG? Doesn't make anyone better? He's A better version of Tyreke Evans? Who are these executives?

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First off Wall isnt a shoot

First off Wall isnt a shoot first PG, and hes a way different type of player then Reke. Reke is a crafty and strong scorer who does understand pace but isnt a great passer. Reke has played a ton of SF too lately imagine Wall playing SF.

Stevie Franchise was another natural scorer who didnt have Walls natural passing ability.

I dunno where along the lline people forgot how gifted a passer Wall is but they did. Wall is also on his way to becoming a great playmaker on defense. He reminds me of Wade on defense wit his shotblocking ability.

For the record Id take Wall over Westbrook.

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Agree with everything except

Agree with everything except when you said "wall over westbrook".

Westbrook is better I would still take him over wall, in the future (1-2 years) i might take wall depending on his development.

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You're completely missing the

You're completely missing the context of those comparisons. They are not direct comparisons in terms of play style or skill sets.

For instance one scout said that Wall is like another Tyreke because: "He's not a shooter, he's not leader, he's not a guy you can build a team around."

The scout who brought up Steve Francis basically said he gets the same vibe from Wall that he got from Francis because:
"Both are athletic guys playing point guard who really aren't necessarily point guards. They don't shoot it well, they're not the best decision-makers. They're very exciting, very explosive guys who can make plays. One minute they're exciting, the next minute they're boneheaded. They do so many things well that you can't help but appreciate their talent. They're nice players to have, but they can't be your franchise guy."

I also disagree that he's a gifted passer. He's a good drive and kick/transition playmaker, but I wouldn't say he's a good passer. Good passers can dissect a halfcourt defense with their passing. Good passers know how to manipulate and shift around the defense with their passing. Wall doesn't do that.

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I didnt completely miss the

I didnt completely miss the point of the comparisons I just responded in a way to point out the differences in there games and wat makes them different players with a different potential and ultimatly a dif impact on the game. Reke and Francis were/are scorers who need the ball to be effective. Wall is not a pure scorer but he needs the ball to make plays. And Wall brings more defense then the other 2.

Also I used the word gifted passer, instead of great PG or any other term that would signify Wall knes how to manipulate a defense cuz he doesnt yet. But he is a gifted passer his assists number just cant be ignored. You can say drive and kick but Wall isnt surrounded by great scorers and Rose, Irving and Westbrook for all there unguardable penetration skills couldnt avg over 8 apg there first 2 years in the league.

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First off Wall isnt a shoot

First off Wall isnt a shoot first PG, and hes a way different type of player then Reke. Reke is a crafty and strong scorer who does understand pace but isnt a great passer. Reke has played a ton of SF too lately imagine Wall playing SF.

Stevie Franchise was another natural scorer who didnt have Walls natural passing ability.

I dunno where along the lline people forgot how gifted a passer Wall is but they did. Wall is also on his way to becoming a great playmaker on defense. He reminds me of Wade on defense wit his shotblocking ability.

For the record Id take Wall over Westbrook.

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I stuck up for John Wall in this post because I do think he's alot better than they're giving him credit for.

BUT with that being said there's no way in hell I'd take him over Westbrook......

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Jumpshot

I just dont understand why he cant get the jumpshot down?

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Damn... Wall does have holes

Damn... Wall does have holes in his game and I've been critical of them, but I think this article is very harsh.

I hope he reads this though and it motivates him.

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Im disappointed

Being a kentucky fan i expeacted Wall to take the league by strom is it to late

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