If you can't see why Wall's better than Jennings regardless of how many games Wall has or hasn't played you're blind.
"Obvious things are a horrible way to judge right?"
Yeah if you are basing those obvious things on a guy who has no body of work compared to a guy who lead his team to the playoffs. And in the preseason too.
Buckshots statement was one of the dumbest things I've ever seen.
That statement is crazy, when Garnett was in his 8th season he was a BEAST and top 5 NBA player... Also, when Garnett was in his 8th season he had the ability to carry a team to the playoffs and he was on his way to the HOF...
Both Garnett and Bosh had issues winning. Before the 2002-2003 season, Garnett never won a playoff series. He was seen as "He's a beast BUT cannot win" then Minnesota added two solid players in Cassell and Spree and Garnett had a MVP season. Chris Bosh was not the passer KG was but he has in his career so far, put the stats together and has not won. That's what I meant.
Also, Garnett couldn't win when the series was best of 5. Bosh couldn't win in the best of 7 series AND Bosh had his best teammate before LeBron? T.J. Ford.
Actually yeah it does... Logic says you want the BETTER player on your team NOT the player who puts up "STATS.." IMO people get to caught up with who puts up better numbers, sports is about winning not about who is puts up better stats...
who would you take for 1 season only for your best chance to win a championship? i think the answer is still garnett. good enough in the regular season to make it to the playoffs then turns into a beast in the playoffs. bosh cant get his team in the playoffs and when he does they are embarassed.
For one season as a #1- Bosh
For one season as a #2 or #3- Garnett
Sam Gallenberger the Mental Midget...literally standing 5'8"
"IMO people get to caught up with who puts up better numbers, sports is about winning not about who is puts up better stats..."
How can you win if you have worse stats though? Think about it.
No ,Bosh had a problem winning and Tronto was barely a .500 team... Garnett year in year out lead his team to the playoffs.... Plus, in Minnesota Garnett put together a HOF career, was a top 5 player, and Garnett in his prime would DESTROY Bosh...
but nobody answered the main question. last year bosh and david lee put up similar numbers on bad teams, so how is bosh number 11 on the list and david lee 50?
and what does bosh as a number 1 get you? a number 7 seed and a first round exit. kevin garnett is more similar in regards to not winning as lebron, not bosh. kg was arguably the best player in the league(like lebron) but couldnt win. bosh has never been on kgs level as a player and only now when kg is in serious decline is it even close. kg for one season gives you a better chance at a ring than bosh.
Noone said a prime KG would lose to Bosh....what's your point?
"How can you win if you have worse stats though? Think about it."
Winning is about stats (Players that usually win sacrifice stats for wins).... Think about it.. Im not following you logic, Iggy why would you take Artest if Joe Johnson is the BETTER player???
Watch basketball games and tell me Chris Bosh isn't better than David Lee. Bosh's Toronto team was better than the Knicks, and they were largely better because of Bosh. David Lee put up inflated stats for a terrible team. Bosh put up big numbers on a team that JUST barely missed the playoffs. And you have to remember, Bosh has been a 1st option on a playoff team. David Lee? Never even been apart of a playoff team.
5'9 big boy. Let me guess, you're 6'5 240 lbs of muscle and black? At least I'm not embarrassed of myself to the point where I need to hide my identity. Keep talking. Please.
Because Artest can defend better, and he has the ability to take the best perimeter players out of their games. Johnson is better in the regular season and sometimes in the playoffs, but Artest's defense is more valuable in a playoff setting than a guy who has had trouble coming through when it matters most.
Johnson is obviously a better player than Artest though, even though he struggles to come through in the playoffs. Just because you'd take a guy in the playoffs doesn't mean he's better. I'd take Kendrick Perkins over Al Horford in a playoff setting too, but Horford is a better overall player than Perkins is.
When it comes down to Garnett vs. Bosh, I believe that Garnett is the better player.
"The only thing Garnett does better as of now [is] play D"
Defense is half of basketball. He's also a better leader and a better passer.
Give me the proven leader over the Batgirl anyday.
@ Yup Yup what does it matter if hes a 6'5 240lb black guy???
@ Iggy, IMO the better basketball player is the player that gives you the best chance in winning... Joe Johnson may have a higher skill level than Artest but, that doesnt make him a better player.. People get to caught up in STATS and often times those are the players than play for teams that dont win... Like you wrote earlier its all about opinion and im just stating by opinion lol...
im not saying bosh isnt better than lee because clearly he is. my point was why is the gap between them so large? i dont have the numbers but how many more games did the raps win over the knicks? i dont think it was that many and when stats are brought into the argument, why cant you use them to argue against someone? bosh is very good player but has always come up short.
or you use stats like this, bosh had 24 and 12 last year on a 40 win team. so he is better than garnett who had 17 and 8. well with that logic david lee is better than garnett too.
im not trying to hate, but numbers dont always tell the truth. and every situation is different. kg struggled in the playoffs before the celtics, lebron has struggled in the playoffs. but i think those 2 are a closer comparison than garnett and bosh. bosh is better than lee, numbers wise and talent wise. but dont just use numbers for your argument because they can be used against you too.
basketball isnt logic. you cant just use stats as a barometer. just in my opinion i would rather have garnett over bosh. bosh has better numbers but garnett has better intangibles that dont show up in the numbers.
anyone get what im tryin to say? lol.
Making fun of my size, so I was assuming if I asked him his szie, that would be his reply. But the tough guy hasn't posted back.
So basically Ron Artest is better than Joe Johnson to you?
Garnett has lost his explosiveness and is injury prone. Put him in bosh's situation in Toronto last year and he wouldnt have made as big of an impact in my opinion. Still wouldnt of made the playoffs.
And David Lee is great offensively, but his defense is well below average which is half of the game, thats probly another reason why hes only ranked at 50.
For me the Johnson Artest thing depends on the situation. I doubt JJ can lead a team to a championship, but he has proven he can lead a team to the playoffs as the first option. At this point in his career Artest can't do that .
If I need a guy to be my main scorer and best player, I'm taking Johnson. If I need a guy who will be a complimentary scorer and an good defender I'm taking Artest.
I would say Johnson is the better overall player because he can lead a team to the playoffs.
Yao can't be that high....I don't think he's ever been number 8 even when he was in pristine shape and no injuries....