I love the lists, but at the same time it's funny that if anyone else made these lists it would be full of critisism and negatives.
Also..exactly how is Rose and Williams considered as second options when Jefferson and Boozer havent even played a single minute for their respective teams?
Rose and Williams are definitely the first options on their current teams, but on a championship caliber team, they'd be best as second options.
What makes Bargnani any softer than Nowitzki?
Also why is Villanueva and Hibbert on the soft list. Charlie V. tried to fight Jermaine Oneal.
Would you think the Jazz picked up Al Jefferson to be the 2nd leading scorer to a PG? Or do you think Chicago forked all that money to Boozer so he could be a 2nd option to a PG?
Think about it......No team really wants their PG to lead them in scoring, especially if they fork all that money or go out of their way to get guys who look to score. I believe Williams and Rose will be the 2nd leading scorers next year.
If anything Bosh should be on the soft list way ahead of Bargnani. If it is due to the rebounds than I understand, but Bargnani gives hard fouls, doesnt get dunked on and averages 1.5 blocks. Stoudemire should be on the soft list if Bargnani is.
Andrea Bargnani is soft....Softer than Dirk man. He doesn't do any of the dirty work required of a man his size. Dirk will play with his back to the basket and bang some, and he's a relatively willing rebounder, especially in comparison to Bargnani. I know you're a Raptors fan but ONCE AGAIN, that doesn't mean they are immune to having shortcomings.
Villanueva and Roy Hibbert are soft players too. Nobody considers either a guy you would want to stick up for you and neither are bangers who play physical.
Iggy they still have to prove it thou, they havent played a single minute. Yes I also do think they would fork over that much cash for a 2nd option.
Williams averaged 25 PPG in the playoffs and Boozer averages 20PPG. Do you think Rose will be that much different than Williams role and do you think Jefferson will be that much different than Boozers role.
If so what are thier projected averages.
IF we're going off of points scored, then I guess you can say that Williams and Rose will be second options.
However, they'll dominate the ball and make majority of the decisions. Not only that, they'll have the ball with the game on the line and take all of the key shots.
First of all youre right Im a Raptors fan..so what..
Second of all Bellinelli should probally be number 1 on that list. He is the softest player I've ever watched play the game.
Third of all once again I try to tell the people watching Toronto 2 times a year from America, Bargnani has better post skills than most players in the league. Bosh and Bargnani on the floor was a good duo. Bargnani has great perimeter skills that compliment Bosh's post skills. Sou why would Bargnani be posting up?
Seriously? Bellinelli isnt as soft as Bargnani?
Ask any Raptor fan. If Bargnani MAKES the soft list it is because he isnt a gritty enough rebounder. Not because he doesnt mix it up like he does with Dwight Howard everytime D-12 comes into town. He held Howard to around 40% shooting this year.
I don't know what they'll average exactly...but I'm extremely sure that Chicago brought Boozer in to be their 1st option, Derrick Rose led them in socring purely out of necessity last season. They didn't have any offensive players that were capable of averaging more than Rose, except maybe Deng.....and he hasn't played great since like 3 or 4 years ago it seems.
Jefferson is a bit more selfish than Boozer and won't operate in the same role. I fully expect him to average more than Williams too. He's a better pure scorer than Boozer too. Has to count for something.
Maybe during the Regular Season, but in the Playoffs there is no chance Boozer or Jefferson averages more than Rose or Williams.
I already said that's what I was basing 1st option off of. Who scores the most. I understand they will be the best players on the team, but I'm basing my 2nd option list on who scores the 2nd most on a team.
You're biased OhCanada, that's why it matters. NOBODY would make an argument that Andrea Bargnani isn't soft except a biased fan. He's very soft. Nobody considers him even kind of tough. He doesn't rebound, is a bad defender (fouling hard is a sign of bad/out-of-position defense if you didn't know), and he would much rather face up and shy away from contact than play down low and score through contact. Trying to say that Dirk is softer pretty much illustrates that you don't open your eyes to anything other than your favorite players.
Don't you base stats off of the regular season? Playoff stats aren't nearly as official as regular season stats. They will score more in the regular season and that's what I'm going off of.
All I'm going to say is watch him play before you critisize him. He isnt as soft as you think and if you watched him play and be the most active defender in the paint for Toronto this year (which isnt saying much) you would stick up for him too.
Watch the guy play with an unbiast opinion this Season. Consider the fact that he is playing out of position and dont listen to what the media tells you. As I said, other than his rebounding woes, Bargnani is not nearly as soft as you think. Yes I am going to stick up for the Raptors when they are BIASTLY ranked on negative lists.
Youre telling me Galinari isnt softer than Bargnani? Come on man get it together.
Yeah you have no idea what you're talking about LOL....You keep throwing out all these other players that aren't nearly as soft as Bargs is, and you're reason for sticking up for him is "he was the only guy who tried on D for us" on one of the worst defensive teams in the NBA.
How am I biased talking about Bargnani, and I don't care about him and I'm not a fan of Toronto? It always helps to use words that you actually know the meaning to.
Youre list should not have had Galinari higher than Bargnani?
NO. Gallinari isn't one of the 10 softest. He makes effort plays on D, rebounds decent from the wing, and doesn't shy from contact or back down from challenges.
I can't say any of that about Bargnani.
So you are saying Bargnani doesnt make effort plays on D...When have you watched Bargnani play? I can unbiastly tell you everytime a player posts up Bargnani it will be difficult to score on him. You are the one who is biastly rating Bargnani based on general conseption and frankly its annoying because that is how you evaluate every player in the league. Based on general consecption. I can tell you about Bargnani because I watched him play at least 70 games from beggining to end this year.
Why don't you tell me about Elton Brand and Andre Igoudala.
There are at least 4 Toronto Raptors who played softer than Andrea Bargnani last year.
If you dont agree with that, you need to reassess everything you think you know about the league immediatly.
I love biased fans. I love it. Absolutely amazing. Do you really think I'm going to talk about Bargnani if I don't watch him play? Just because he's SOFT, doesn't mean I don't watch him play. If you think he's tough and tries on D, that is on you.
"If you dont agree with that, you need to reassess everything you think you know about the league immediatly."
Yeah the person that doesn't know how to use (or spell) bias correctly in a sentence is just sooooo right about everything. -____-
What does spelling have to do with this?
Good point you are right! Bargnani is soft. I cant spell and thats why Bargnani is soft! You are 100% correct.
NOWAY BARGNANI IS SOFTER THAN TURKOGLU, BELLINELLI, CALDERON OR NESTEROVIC.
Now tell me why you think those 4 players are tougher than Bargnani?
Just because Turkoglu didn't fit with Toronto doesn't mean he's soft. He's actually not someone I'd consider soft. He needs the right role to be effective, but would you really consider that soft?
Bellinari is soft, but to me not softer than Bargnani. The Raptors are a soft team, Bargnani plays the most and is the softest IMO. I'll just leave it at that. I've pretty much explained why I think Bargs is soft. I'm not backtracking. If you think you think he's tough, that's you. But I don't so, I'm agreeing to disagree. I'm not going to keep going on about this guy, who is no doubt one of the softest players to everyone but you.
Andrea Bargnani actaully looks for his post up quite often sometimes forcing it due to the fact that Jack, and Calderon are reluctant to feed him the ball in the post due to Bosh`s presence. Bargnani`s role was not post offense, and believe me half the time he got post position he was not feeded the ball. His rebounding is medicre at best but wwith Bosh off the team he wouldve averaged at least 8 rpg. Bosh steals alot rebounds from him and due to the fact that he plays out of positin at C he is mostly asked to box out the larger more aggressive C player as Amir Johnson and Chris Bosh collect the loose ball. As a C Bargnani has only missed 6 (COUNT THEM) 6 games in the past 3 years playing above 30MPG. Last year Bargnani was 17th in Blocks Per Game and 14th in Overall Blocks in the NBA. He mixes it up. He sometimes even throws smaller players to the ground when there is a mouse in the house (tossing around Vince Carter and Fransisco Garcia).
Finesse does not mean soft by any means. Saying he doesnt put effort into defending is not true. Bargnani doesnt put enough effort into rebounding I agree. Now with Bosh gone and you critics critisising he will be forced to take a more prominent rebounding role. Call me biast idc, I watch the Raptors games and Ièm gonna tell you what I see.
NO WAY YOU CAN BE ON THE TOP 20 SHOTBLOCKERS LIST AND THE TOP 10 SOFT PLAYERS LIST.
Thats all bull&$#%#&@! ok. Call me Biast go ahead. But that is all bull&$#%#&@!.